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    ^ sounding like reuters

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post

    As long as we have the Thaksin noises, there can't be no political progress.

    He must be removed completely, and for that to happen, a bullet will be needed.

    Strong view there Butters.

    That would be a game changer, it would be game on with quite a few big players getting assassinated in return.

    The Thais may be do not want this scenario as they know it could spiral out of control.

    No, Not a top idea to Cap Thaksin or any body at this stage not saying it won't happen mind you.
    it won't spiral out of control, it's the usual BS of "activists" and "believers"

    look at the coup, they all went home crying to their mothers. Thais are cowards by nature, like most people are (even the tough talking Americans).

    Taking Thaksin out of the picture is the only solution eventually. The guys is a hyena, does Thailand really needs another hyena in its political landscape ? one gone might not be enough but is still one gone, so it's progress right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly
    look at the coup, they all went home crying to their mothers. Thais are cowards by nature, like most people are (even the tough talking Americans).
    So who are the brave butters??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post

    It won't spiral out of control, it's the usual BS of "activists" and "believers"

    Taking Thaksin out of the picture is the only solution eventually.

    One gone might not be enough but is still one gone, so it's progress right there.

    Well, Most people don't take too kindly to having the person they support assassinated.

    The Natural reaction is to hit back at the opposing side by capping one of theirs in
    return or maybe kill two for good luck.

    Thais ain't shy when it comes to killing so I say it would be a bad scene if Thaksin or anyone gets hit.

    It will really step the game up.

    Just my take on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    Yes I did Yaso. So I got it wrong. Prediction based on the need for a coup. No need. Ying and her gov gone. This coup was not needed. Why it happened is a matter of conjecture.
    The coup was always gonna happen, Norts, the head backer of the PAD/army, is in big big trouble if the lad takes over, and he's not the only one; not only is the massive wealth gonna be lost but likely his (and others of his ilk) life... It really is an all or nothing game for the PADite backers - they control the head sections of the army, but it was always gonna come down to how much of the army they could control... There will be massive, I mean like never before, corruption to placate the various generals as well as paying off the likes of suthep and the dems, other, that have made it possible - it's gonna be hugely expensive, and Thais/Thailand will suffer. The only way they can make it happen is to go nigh on Myanmaresque...

    It's a very dangerous game indeed, and I can't see the junta/PADite backers winning it - their 'power' now is just so very tenuous...

    As this junta is forced to go more and more extreme, as their discourse is highlighted as false time after time, I suspect they will be removed and things will ramp down, but the major issue sill hasn't been addressed and cannot be addressed in a way that's acceptable to all sides hence the current junta and their backers will lose - that has always been the case, but they were too high and mighty to understand it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    The coup was always gonna happen, .
    Well, you certainly weren't saying that a month ago !

    And, ...who is the head backer of the army? I'm sufficiently out of it to not be able to solve the crypto-clue. As far as I was aware, one candidate has alzheimers and the other is at death's door.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly
    look at the coup, they all went home crying to their mothers. Thais are cowards by nature, like most people are (even the tough talking Americans).
    So who are the brave butters??
    He must mean the Belgians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Ghost Of The Moog
    Well, you certainly weren't saying that a month ago !
    Untrue.

    I have being saying that all along. It is the only course of action, as long as the QGs can control enough of the army to get away with it. I doubt they can, but they will be trying their hardest too...

    We are talking about massive wealth here, Moog - thinks about Thaksins x 10 or x 100, and not having to pay tax, disclose earnings, disclose company info, etc... That kinda of wealth would be one of the greatest in the world, and it's not even visible...

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    Moog try Michael David selby search

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    if you have a proxy server you can get to the better info

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post

    It won't spiral out of control, it's the usual BS of "activists" and "believers"

    Taking Thaksin out of the picture is the only solution eventually.

    One gone might not be enough but is still one gone, so it's progress right there.

    Well, Most people don't take too kindly to having the person they support assassinated.

    The Natural reaction is to hit back at the opposing side by capping one of theirs in
    return or maybe kill two for good luck.

    Thais ain't shy when it comes to killing so I say it would be a bad scene if Thaksin or anyone gets hit.

    It will really step the game up.

    Just my take on it.
    Wouldn't like to guess if he's better (or worse) for Thailand as a dead martyr or a living clarion call, but for sure our glorious leaders would happily sacrifice a couple of their own in exchange for his scalp. Neither his legacy nor his following can be subdued while he breathes.

    That said, and as you point out, nasty things can happen if they assassinate him, or if he falls down some stairs or gets struck by lightning. And Thai leaders don't have much of a reputation for considering the consequences of their actions.

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    Thanks for links etc.

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    Things hotting up here on the border [Lao] when it started, border troops, back to barracks, normal road blocks left up manned.
    Now road blocks, with soldiers [Thai army] not local border guys, jungle villages getting visited by troops, houses/huts searched for weapons, many local lads still up in the jungle.

    Things still peaceful, but tension is rising, local nutter got beat half to death at a check point.

    Normally hear gun fire, hunting, but not a shot now, armies not winning hearts and minds.
    It's only started, takes time to organize and if the people feel persecuted they will fight back.

    Dark days ahead if it starts. Jim

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57 View Post
    ^ ^

    You have thrown a lot of stuff together in that post.

    Much of it is not relevant to Thailand's present situation but Its your Opinion.

    Fair enough. Don't quite agree though.
    Actually, Tel - everything in Norty's short and precise post is quite relevant to present events. And reasonably spot on!

    Don't have to be much of an observer of the last few years to have gathered the puzzle - connecting the dots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    AS Jack suggests, if you haven't read this then you really are not informed about the reasons behind the PAD and junta...

    The Crowning Fortune - Forbes
    Indeed - and the globalists with their shill Thaksin want it. They want it all. And they had a nice little plan in place to get it as well..... until the army stepped in...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Yes I did Yaso. So I got it wrong. Prediction based on the need for a coup. No need. Ying and her gov gone. This coup was not needed. Why it happened is a matter of conjecture.
    Not that you need your past conclusions and commentary defended, Norton.
    But I believe you were of a stronger [and logical] camp that suggested there certainly wasn't a need for a coup/not an intelligent action for those pulling the strings.....less suggesting a coup would not occur.

    I too, was of the same circle. Even with the surface talk and whatnot.

    Though, this one is different from memory.
    There is a strange presence about this latest turn of events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rural Surin
    There is a strange presence about this latest turn of events.
    A strange presence,

    a strange desperation,

    a strange "newness"

    a strange feeling that they cannot control everything, cannot control time, cannot control discourse any longer...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rural Surin View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by terry57 View Post
    ^ ^

    You have thrown a lot of stuff together in that post.

    Much of it is not relevant to Thailand's present situation but Its your Opinion.

    Fair enough. Don't quite agree though.
    Actually, Tel - everything in Norty's short and precise post is quite relevant to present events. And reasonably spot on!

    Urm ,

    If you go back up Jeff you will see that I agreed with Norton and was commenting on the post above his.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57
    If you go back up Jeff you will see that I agreed with Norton and was commenting on the post above his.
    Norton is a pretty good poster, mate - maybe that's our middle ground???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
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    If you go back up Jeff you will see that I agreed with Norton and was commenting on the post above his.
    Norton is a pretty good poster, mate - maybe that's our middle ground???
    This place could use a good dose of Norton types [Sabang, et al].....they're around still just don't have much too add as they once did.

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    Army, Police Successfully Neutralize Blank Sheet Of A4 Paper

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    RAJPRASONG – A large-scale, coordinated military and police effort was credited on Sunday with the successful containment and suppression of a single blank sheet of A4 copy paper.
    The paper, which measured 8.5 by 11 inches, was apprehended by soldiers at the corner of Phayathai and Rathawithi roads in the Victory Monument area of Bangkok at 3:47pm on Sunday, and subsequently charged with sedition and violation of orders from the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO).
    “We are pleased with the results of our peacekeeping operations,” said NCPO head General Prayuth Chan-Ocha. “This sheet of paper needed to be stopped, and our forces did their duty.”
    Over 1000 armed men were able to contain a rogue A4 paper. Inset: The offending blank sheet.
    Over 1000 armed men were able to contain a rogue A4 paper. Inset: The offending blank sheet.
    Rumors of the possible illegal assembly of blank pieces of paper spread on social media over the weekend, leading up to the massive response by army troops and police brigades. As of 10am Sunday, no fewer than 600 soldiers and 450 riot-armed policemen, supported by 50 vehicles, were present at key locations throughout the capital, including Victory Monument, Democracy Monument, Rajprasong, Lumpini Park, and a dozen large shopping malls.
    Statements on Thai television by the NCPO had specifically banned the gathering of more than 5 sheets of blank A4 paper, and threatened lengthy jail terms for any paper bearing messages that were contradictory to national unity.
    By 1pm, no paper had showed up at the monitored protest sites, leading to a reduction in security forces and the re-opening of key streets in the areas.
    However, at approximately 3:45pm, a person standing in front of Ratchawithi Hospital held up a blank sheet of paper in front of soldiers and reporters, in a symbolic protest against the coup and military rule. The paper was quickly surrounded, subdued, and taken away in a police van.
    Photographs of the paper indicated that it was blank, white, and probably from a ream of standard 70-gram photocopy/laser printer office paper. Its brand was not immediately identified.
    A statement from police said only that the paper was being examined, questioned, and would be released or charged in accordance with the law. A later comment from the NCPO indicated that the sheet would be tried in martial court for violating army orders and inciting disorder.
    Human Rights Watch has issued a statement condemning the arrest and demanding that the A4 sheet is permitted legal representation, and declaring that the current Thai environment violates “ the fundamental rights of paper, printed or blank.”
    Social media in Thailand has been divided on the issue, with anti-coup netizens calling for a massive show of blank paper at flash mobs throughout the city on Tuesday, while supporters of the coup have called for the paper to be cut in half, or even shredded. Many claimed that the sheet of paper was of foreign origin.
    Blank sheets of paper threaten Thailand's order online and in the streets.
    Blank sheets of paper threaten Thailand’s order online and in the streets.
    One group on Facebook calling itself the Thai Patriots Network Under The King even went so far as to call for a blanket boycott of all paper in A4 size, suggesting that “True Thais should only use A3 or A5 in their offices and homes, and make sure that it is pre-printed with statements that support our sacred institutions.”
    According to social commentator Sulak Sivaraska, the hostility towards blank sheets of paper is not surprising given the current political and cultural environment.
    “Blank paper is, in many ways, more threatening to the conservative Thai than one printed with an aggressive statement,” he said. “The creative possibilities inherent in a blank paper, its invitation to think, wonder, and imagine without constraints or pre-conditions, is anathema to the ruling mythologies of forced unity.”
    “One could say that any paper that doesn’t have some logo on it, corporate or cultural, causes dissonance to the Thai mind,” he added.
    The NCPO remains firm in its position that it acted in the interest of national security, stating in a press release that “The massive deployment of armed troops is entirely necessary to subdue this kind of counter-patriotic aggression.”
    “While we are working towards a future environment where all kinds of paper and paper products are welcome, the roadmap to this environment requires a temporary zero-paper policy.”





    Not the Nation Army, Police Successfully Neutralize Blank Sheet Of A4 Paper

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    "Amnesty International WILL NOT campaign against Thai junta repression because their regional HQ and staff are in Bangkok." @andrewspooner

    You gotta wonder about the choices people are making with so much invested here in different forms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57
    Well, Most people don't take too kindly to having the person they support assassinated.
    well, if we are to believe the Red and Democracy activists, it has nothing to do with Thaksin, so killing him won't have any impact, at least if we are to believe our Reds heroes.

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    again, what's wrong with killing a known tyrant in the name of Democracy ? I didn't agree with Iraq illegal invasion and Libya illegal bombing but was glad to see 2 tyrants gone in the process.

    if anything from the coup could be positive, it will be the physical removal of Thaksin once and for all. The peasants will just need to find another a leader to represent their interests.

    Thai Democracy at work.
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    Seems your the only one that thinks he's a tyrant no google search says he's a tyrant

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