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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    RS, sorry but that doesn't make full sense.

    Thais are being arrested, not folks who 'dont understand the Thai population and mindset'...
    Thais have been arrested, detained, suppressed, "disappeared", etc...under "normal" democratically elected peaceful [recent] govts as well.....

    General everyday policing/military corruption and brutality that has perpetuated itself since memory - regardless of political sitting presence.

    The attention is prioritized, innit?

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    ^ so, RS, the juntas rules and regulations are the same as under the Yinluck, abhisit, samak and Thaksin governments? There are similarities, but also very significant differences. Saying it's all same old same old, it doesn't matter, etc, just isn't true. Every time is unique, people are people and their lives and rights are precious. Open dialog, freedom of speech, rule of law, a functioning judiciary, respecting a constitution/election are fundamental which is why they are enshrined in various documents, institutions and bodies all over the world. Perhaps, you have a different opinion...

    ^^ Terry, you are just playing the argue any point with somebody you've already decided you don't agree with game. If you actually read the words, think about their meaning and then consider their truth and relevance then the conversation takes to a whole new level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57
    Of course they are getting arrested, there is a fukin coup on.
    If you use such 'arguments' both as a retort to challenges to the junta and as a justification for the juntas actions, it's rather circular; that's not discussion, Terry...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MineFalls
    who was arrested
    who is the boy with the "village people" facial hair ?

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    under the law
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    developed nation
    in the country held up as the bastion of democracy it is now only the

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    the corporations
    and the rich who have access to lawyers outside of crimminal law

    I understand why you think this unsurping of one man one vote ( if you own a popular media outlet it is magnified ) is wrong , but I think you are barracking for the wrong fork

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick
    I understand why you think this unsurping of one man one vote ( if you own a popular media outlet it is magnified ) is wrong , but I think you are barracking for the wrong fork
    I don't support any side as such, Baldrick. Just the movement forward, slow or fast. Hence why a movement backwards is problematic.

    I would have been delighted if abhisit had moved democratic institutions, blind justice, transparency, etc, forward, just didn't happen...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo
    blind justice, transparency, etc, forward
    it is not just thailand - the way forward for everywhere is hindered

    with 'tinternet uncontrolled by the lobbying sect there maybe a chance

    but even wikipedia is gamed

    though the norwegians are moving very quickly to having all the govt info online

    transparency will come and then with education you may see true democracy - though that may well turn out to be a sad sad way forward

    though the until the demagogues are neutered democracy will always be failed via the millions of lazy/stupid people

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    Must admit it does seem the Junta doesn't have as firm a grip as they'd like to suggest. Too many loose ends.

    1. Is there a signature on that coup 'endorsement' I've seen Twitters that ask the same question.

    2. Why is the Army driving Humvees and other military vehicles around Bangkok with loaded automatic fire weapons (with fully loaded machine gun belts) as clearly photographed by media? What are they expecting? See point three

    3. Are they worried about a counter-coup? One can only wonder about all these soldiers with automatic weapons, including the rapid fire mini machine guns seen earlier.

    4. Why have they positioned Army snipers at key locations?

    5. Why are they (allegedly) sending goon squads into Red villages to steal from red villagers? Intimidation by the minority against the majority as a proactive move?
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    Maybe there worrying about something more serious than a counter coup that could well happen soon.

    This coup is the coup of coups, this could be the end of something very close to the heart of many thais.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo
    blind justice, transparency, etc, forward
    it is not just thailand - the way forward for everywhere is hindered

    with 'tinternet uncontrolled by the lobbying sect there maybe a chance

    but even wikipedia is gamed

    though the norwegians are moving very quickly to having all the govt info online

    transparency will come and then with education you may see true democracy - though that may well turn out to be a sad sad way forward

    though the until the demagogues are neutered democracy will always be failed via the millions of lazy/stupid people
    I appreciate many/most of your points. I support movement forward not backward, empowering the masses, not empowering the few. This junta is a big move, and it's not forward; we know the reason for it, not the corruption red herring, but the real reason, they are desperate and fearful that their end is nigh...

    Certainly agree that our first world democracies are far from perfect...

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    So if you realise its a red herring why do you keep going on about democracy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer
    2. Why is the Army driving Humvees and other military vehicles around Bangkok with loaded automatic fire weapons (with fully loaded machine gun belts)
    rick thai clones - the elephants are neeky cnuts

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    they are doing as ordered - and the indications seem to indicate the end is nigh

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    ^ yes. It just seems so ridiculous when folks on this thread are talking about the army doing the right thing for the people, stopping corruption, caring about the nation; they are interested in the wealth of the nation and controlling it, nothing else.

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    not the corruption red herring,
    Quote Originally Posted by Yasojack
    So if you realise its a red herring why do you keep going on about democracy?
    ?????

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    we know the reason for it, not the corruption red herring, but the real reason, they are desperate and fearful that their end is nigh


    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    ^ yes. It just seems so ridiculous when folks on this thread are talking about the army doing the right thing for the people, stopping corruption, caring about the nation; they are interested in the wealth of the nation and controlling it, nothing else.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo
    not the corruption red herring,
    Quote Originally Posted by Yasojack
    So if you realise its a red herring why do you keep going on about democracy?
    ?????

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    [quote=Bettyboo;2789595

    I don't support any side as such, Baldrick.

    Just the movement forward, slow or fast. Hence why a movement backwards is problematic.[/quote]



    Urm Betty Dear,

    I'm not getting on your case nor stalking you or anything like that but if you read your above post again you will fall over laughing.

    From the get go you have been painted red from head to toe and now you are posting up the above shite.

    How can we take your posts seriously Betty when you dither back and forth like a bottle on the ocean currents.

    We all know you're hard core Red so just stay with it and don't bullshit.

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    ^ I've never liked Thaksin, don't support him or his politics.

    I do support elected governments, whatever party.

    I also think that the reds have the moral high ground over the PADites because the PADites used a political judiciary, senate, NACC, EC and army to oust an elected government and are a minority group (remember, they tried out as a party and got a very low % of voters) forcing their will upon all of society and claiming to speak for all of society which they certainly do not.

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    ^

    Yes OK then we do get it Betty.

    You love the Reds and despise the Yellows.

    Fair enough.

    So don't try and gloss over it. Thats your opinion and fair enough innit.

    Just don't expect all to agree with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by terry57
    despise the Yellows
    You are correct in that statement, Terry, at least with regard to the organization and what it stands for (I have some friends who support it and go to the demos, and I'm sure there are many decent folks involved).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo
    (I have some friends who support it and go to the demos, and I'm sure there are many decent folks involved).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    ^ so, RS, the juntas rules and regulations are the same as under the Yinluck, abhisit, samak and Thaksin governments?
    Simply...YES.

    You [et al] need to awaken from your slumber.

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    Maybe nigh for another, but not who you think? That rumor has been around for at least a month..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yasojack View Post
    Maybe there worrying about something more serious than a counter coup that could well happen soon.

    This coup is the coup of coups, this could be the end of something very close to the heart of many thais.
    Why then - if beloved is truly beloved - the need for all the aggression, suppression & intrigue? For everyones own protection?

    When newly beloved emerges, will all simply bow down and accept the most gracious saviour? Really? Who is anyone kidding?

    A farce it is - a sad, tragic farce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waid View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Yasojack View Post
    Maybe there worrying about something more serious than a counter coup that could well happen soon.

    This coup is the coup of coups, this could be the end of something very close to the heart of many thais.
    Why then - if beloved is truly beloved - the need for all the aggression, suppression & intrigue? For everyones own protection?

    When newly beloved emerges, will all simply bow down and accept the most gracious saviour? Really? Who is anyone kidding?

    A farce it is - a sad, tragic farce.
    If that's a model we're using to project, we should expect the worst case scenario....it won't be pretty - certainly in the metro region.

    Not out of the question of an attempted counter-coup, as a few have already touched upon - which might trigger other armed activities and independent insurgencies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waid View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Yasojack View Post
    Maybe there worrying about something more serious than a counter coup that could well happen soon.

    This coup is the coup of coups, this could be the end of something very close to the heart of many thais.
    Why then - if beloved is truly beloved - the need for all the aggression, suppression & intrigue? For everyones own protection?

    When newly beloved emerges, will all simply bow down and accept the most gracious saviour? Really? Who is anyone kidding?

    A farce it is - a sad, tragic farce.
    The goose and the swan will dance a tasty tango.

    And the fox will tip his trilby, and sup of the deliquescence.

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    have knew all along, sure with your mentality we should just nuke the country hey

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo
    I also think that the reds have the moral high ground over the PADites because the PADites used a political judiciary, senate, NACC, EC and army to oust an elected government and are a minority group (remember, they tried out as a party and got a very low % of voters) forcing their will upon all of society and claiming to speak for all of society which they certainly do not.
    Oust 2 governments, shut down the airports, flood the country, the list is endless and still adding up, they have done more to wreck the Thai economy and international image then anything the opposition has ever done.

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