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    Australia appears to have gone further than the US in denouncing the coup-

    Australia postpones military activities with Thailand, puts junta on blacklist

    The Australian Government continues to have grave concerns about the actions of the military in Thailand.

    Since the military seized control of government functions on 22 May, the Government has registered our concerns to authorities in Bangkok through Australia’s Ambassador to Thailand and the Thai Embassy in Canberra.

    In line with our concerns, Australia is reducing our engagement with the Thai military and will lower the level of our interaction with the Thai military leadership.

    Australia has postponed three activities planned for coming weeks in Thailand: a military operations law training course for Thai military officers; a reconnaissance visit for a counter improvised explosive device training exercise; and a reconnaissance visit for a counter terrorism training exercise. We will continue to review defence and other bilateral activities.

    The Australian Government has also put in place a mechanism to prevent the leaders of the coup from travelling to Australia.

    The Australian Government continues to call on the military to set a pathway for a return to democracy and the rule of law as soon as possible, to refrain from arbitrary detentions, to release those detained for political reasons and to respect human rights and fundamental freedoms.


    ... BP: Am not surprised that a government has individually targeted members of the military junta and essentially put them on an immigration blacklist. It is more a symbolic gesture as it is unlikely the junta members will travel to Australia anyway, but it is a clear statement by the Australian government. The only surprise really is that it is Australia that is first out of the blocks. It is also an upping of the ante from their previous statement on May 23 that they are gravely concerned by the military coup. This upping of the ante will raise questions about the response from other countries, particularly for European and the other English-speaking countries, given Australia has acted. Will these countries follow suit? Will the Thais retaliate

    http://asiancorrespondent.com/123326...ion-blacklist/

    CNN has been blocked since the US reaction- will Australian Network be next?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mid
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    fated to launch thousands of selfies for face book

    drama queenery is contagious

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    The Australian Government has also put in place a mechanism to prevent the leaders of the coup from travelling to Australia.
    The junta won't like that; being the "voice of the people" and "good people"... Interesting to see if this is repeated by other nations.

    Clearly the Aussie government doesn't feel the same way as some of the sexpats on this thread...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by sabang
    The Australian Government has also put in place a mechanism to prevent the leaders of the coup from travelling to Australia.
    The junta won't like that; being the "voice of the people" and "good people"... Interesting to see if this is repeated by other nations.

    Clearly the Aussie government doesn't feel the same way as some of the sexpats on this thread...
    Just so long as the generals don't get all pissed off and kick all the Aussies out of Thailand, tell Aussie tourists to piss off etc.......sanctions and/or retaliation can work both ways .. A lot depends on some kind of consistency amongst the "developed" nations in how they respond to this situation. Talk is cheap... action is lethargic...hypocrisy is widespread.
    I blame the Americans......and Thaksin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koman
    Just so long as the generals don't get all pissed off and kick all the Aussies out of Thailand, tell Aussie tourists to piss off etc
    The junta are closing down discourse and reframing social discourse in a ultra royalist nationalistic manner, so you can expect some difficulties for foreigners. I'm sure they'd prefer to keep all the tourist revenue streams open, but that's not their primary objective... If the international community gets tough on the junta, and the reframing of Thai discourse/history is not accepted either nationally or internationally then I'd expect the current junta to be forcibly removed; I don't think Thailand will be allowed to become another Myanmar, but we just don't know...

    I got offered a decent job close to my new house about 3 months ago, but told them I wouldn't take it at this time or until after the big change; my view stays the same there, just more so.
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    the junta are in place now because of the war that will erupt between factions about the succession.

    If the junta are in place, they get to choose, or not to choose

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by koman
    Just so long as the generals don't get all pissed off and kick all the Aussies out of Thailand, tell Aussie tourists to piss off etc
    The junta are closing down discourse and reframing social discourse in a ultra royalist nationalistic manner, so you can expect some difficulties for foreigners. I'm sure they'd prefer to keep all the tourist revenue streams open, but that's not their primary objective... If the international community gets tough on the junta, and the reframing of Thai discourse/history is not accepted either nationally or internationally then I'd expect the current junta to be forcibly removed; I don't think Thailand will be allowed to become another Myanmar, but we just don't know...

    I got offered a decent job close to my new house about 3 months ago, but told them I wouldn't take it at this time or until after the big change; my view stays the same there, just more so.
    I'm not buying into such scenarios as harsh sanctions or "forcible" interventions...
    I don't recall any such activities from the benevolent Western powers during the decades of militarism/nationalistic regimes in Thailand.....what makes this one any different? Nothing.

    Strong rhetoric is all from these camps.
    Business as usual...

    I will remind the historic illusionists that select Western govts have a rich tradition of maintaining the highest friendly relationships with dictatorships of every flavor forever - regardless of ideology. Most particular offenders are the Anglo-American communities....

    I'll say it again.....Thailand will remain a darling of Western/Asian strategies and relationships - as it always has been. Doesn't matter the rulers or any faux condemnation.

    Business as usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rural Surin
    Strong rhetoric is all from these camps.
    Business as usual...
    Agreed; that is the most likely scenario, but at the moment we just don't know for sure how far the latest generation of generals are prepared to go to consolidate power. History is a good guide, but it no guarantee of future results....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by koman
    Just so long as the generals don't get all pissed off and kick all the Aussies out of Thailand, tell Aussie tourists to piss off etc
    The junta are closing down discourse and reframing social discourse in a ultra royalist nationalistic manner, so you can expect some difficulties for foreigners. I'm sure they'd prefer to keep all the tourist revenue streams open, but that's not their primary objective... If the international community gets tough on the junta, and the reframing of Thai discourse/history is not accepted either nationally or internationally then I'd expect the current junta to be forcibly removed; I don't think Thailand will be allowed to become another Myanmar, but we just don't know...

    I got offered a decent job close to my new house about 3 months ago, but told them I wouldn't take it at this time or until after the big change; my view stays the same there, just more so.
    How tough are the Powers on Indonesia?
    Malaysia?
    Singapore?
    Vietnam?

    As long as their is a modicum of demonstrable freedoms, the Powers will tolerate almost anything for stability. Even a Constitutional Monarchy which is not also a free and equitable democracy.

    Why are you so hung up on democracy? You admit yourself that it is a failure in the west.
    Honestly, you sound like a born again christian the way you go on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo
    The junta are closing down discourse and reframing social discourse in a ultra royalist nationalistic manner
    they are not doing it for fun - they are watching the fan closely

    but as for your average peasant , of which you are one - life will be basically the same

    except they will get paid for their rice

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    Quote Originally Posted by baldrick View Post
    life will be basically the same
    No one seems to comprehend this reality....of a population that is largely rural and the ability to be self-sufficient.

    The concepts are very true and basic.
    Thai life, generally speaking, is not interfered with by any complex powers to be in any given period. The exception might be life in the big city and associations....

    And those whom truly don't have a clue, go on and on and on about how any of this typical Thai political mess has an [real life] affect on the masses.....

    The false "sky is falling" scenarios just don't work.

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    Undercover cops supposedly forced a woman into a taxi and took her away for raising the three finger protest sign.



    BKKPost has a better clip of this at...

    http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/poli...ee-finger-sign

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    Here's another woman who was arrested for protesting in another area.

    https://twitter.com/BangkokDan/statu...049857/photo/1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99 View Post

    Why are you so hung up on democracy? You admit yourself that it is a failure in the west.
    I've often questioned myself why this mantra is repeated ad nauseum....

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    A soldier gives the three finger salute.
    https://twitter.com/steviegell/statu...731008/photo/1

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    suggest you all read or listen prayuths speech again.

    His references to reforms = what were they in reference to?

    his reference to democracy returning(which ever way you see democracy)=when he and privy have decided what will happen when the inevitable happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by koman
    Agreed; that is the most likely scenario, but at the moment we just don't know for sure how far the latest generation of generals are prepared to go to consolidate power. History is a good guide, but it no guarantee of future results....
    Indeed. Thus, every arrest, every 3 fingered salute, every book reading, every instance of challenging discourse makes it harder for other nations to ignore this junta. We have to look at the concept of power and where it comes from; it may look like prayuth has a lot of power, but he really is in a very difficult position where his power is mostly an illusion - every single Thai that doesn't accept their discourse being closed down is eroding his power, and it could turn very very quickly, snowball against him.

    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99
    Why are you so hung up on democracy?
    I'm not hung up on the current notion of western democracy. I'm a firm believer in equal opportunity in business, under the law and in all social contexts - this is what's supported by all the academics and journalists who are being arrested and detained. It's very clear, people who drive the Mercs into crowds at a bus stop, or shoot people in a nightclub, or put their sword upon the table need to be dealt blind justice. Folks who wanna work hard to make their lot better deserve that opportunity. Corruption in all areas needs to be massively reduced. The junta are not interested in these areas, they are corrupt to the bone; they have massive wealth on small salaries, they often have massive houses on land they are not entitled to build or live on (remember the last junta leader and his house in KhaoYai, did he ever move out or is he still living illegally there? He is one of the "good men"...), and of course they put their sword on the table...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Waid
    I think the events behind that picture has been explained in freely-available literature.
    Got a link?

    Quote Originally Posted by Waid
    What is your point, Pickel? You seem to be incredibly anti-something.
    My point is that there are posters on this board that refuse to accept the reality that both sides have weapons and are capable of violence. Those same posters will call me a PADite for reminding them of the truth, yet not understanding that I feel Suthep should have met the same fate as Seh Daeng.
    It's not too late, though I wouldn't hold my breath because he's still useful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post

    Quote Originally Posted by Necron99
    Why are you so hung up on democracy?
    I'm not hung up on the current notion of western democracy. I'm a firm believer in equal opportunity in business, under the law and in all social contexts - this is what's supported by all the academics and journalists who are being arrested and detained. It's very clear, people who drive the Mercs into crowds at a bus stop, or shoot people in a nightclub, or put their sword upon the table need to be dealt blind justice. Folks who wanna work hard to make their lot better deserve that opportunity. Corruption in all areas needs to be massively reduced. The junta are not interested in these areas, they are corrupt to the bone; they have massive wealth on small salaries, they often have massive houses on land they are not entitled to build or live on (remember the last junta leader and his house in KhaoYai, did he ever move out or is he still living illegally there? He is one of the "good men"...), and of course they put their sword on the table...


    Can you name a country where those conditions exist?
    A country whose political process hasn't been usurped by the corporations or one that isn't leveraging the process by democratising itself down to the lowest common denominator with immigration and welfare?

    Two would be nice, but I'll settle for one.

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    Only every developed nation in the world, N99...

    I agree that there seems to be a dip after democracy has been reached, a dip where bankers, big corporations, etc, take control, and that's what we are seeing in places such as the US and UK now, but that doesn't change the basic premise I put forward which was with regard to movement from a feudal system to a 'democratic system', such as South Korea and Japan have successfully undertaken in this region. Taiwan and Hong Kong are also interesting as 'flawed democracies' that are/have developed very well.
    Study in Taiwan

    It'd be great to see Thailand moving forward to a 'flawed democracy' status rather than back towards a feudal system; that's the point. Every nation moves at their own rate, but terror regimes/juntas that move the nation backwards are no good for anybody but the select few who control that system...

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    Bottom line of this discourse/thread: It's what you want not what they want....

    Understand the Thai population and mindset before attempting to save their world.
    As I view currently, most still aren't getting it...those that do remain silent.

    ...and those who don't go on and on. Making shite up as they go along.
    Fearing of things that don't exist. Saving the poor Orientals from themselves as they know no better - and we do, of course.

    Remembering the basic Chinese adage...
    Those who know don't speak, those who speak don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post

    It'd be great to see Thailand moving forward to a 'flawed democracy' status rather than back towards a feudal system; that's the point.

    Every nation moves at their own rate, but terror regimes/juntas that move the nation backwards are no good for anybody but the select few who control that system...

    Betty,

    Considering you have been coming to Thailand for a very long time and know its history well your post above is simply a bag load of shit.

    Everything in Thailand takes time, it seems like a massive gong show everytime they have a Coup but in the end it all sorts it self out.

    You are just banging on about something that spins around inside your head and ain't exactly fact.

    Fair enough Betty, its your opinion, whatever EH.

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    ^ Terry, with all due respect, I've said nothing that is contestable. Societies move, feudalism moves to a form of democracy (for better or worse, but it is inevitable), juntas are a common artifact that attempt to hold back time and social development for the sake of their own profit and power (to the entrenched feudal 'elite'). Just to note, Terry, I'm simply repeating the words of Rama VII, they can be found in teh museum to him and his Queen which is close to KhaoSan Rd - well worth a visit next time you're in town - his handwritten words can be seen in English and Thai.

    ^^ RS, sorry but that doesn't make full sense.

    Thais are being arrested, not folks who 'dont understand the Thai population and mindset'...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post

    Thais are being arrested .

    Of course they are getting arrested, there is a fukin coup on.

    Like it or not the Army at this point make the rules.

    Break those rules and you are in the slam.

    You seem to think its a smart move to pull on the Army.

    I say Betty , you put your body where your mouth is and get out there with your mates.

    No, would not do that EH.

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