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    Quote Originally Posted by FloridaBorn
    Just like 911 lies at Clinton's feet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloridaBorn
    They came to power AFTER the dems were in office during the wet season, it lies firmly a their feet.
    The dems didn't control the floodgates that forced upcountry to get the worst of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drainpipe
    I don't believe people are afraid, just sensible
    I'm afraid. Thai people I have spoken to are afraid.

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    ^^They most certainly did when the gates were over-filling. Do some research before spouting nonsense.

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    Yes it's a purge. A good ol' fashioned hardcore, right-wing coup. It was planned and designed to eventually - at a point of their choosing - finish the job that scumbag Suthep started. They or their proxies in suits will be there until it's time for the really big outrage they're planning - makes swatting Thaksin and democracy look like child's play. They'll pull that one off too I'll bet.
    My mind is not for rent to any God or Government, There's no hope for your discontent - the changes are permanent!

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    ^^
    I'm talking about the dikes surrounding Bangkok that forced the water to stay upcountry. And like I said before, the previous year had a drought so they kept the reservoirs filled and then a tropical storm hit. Are you blaming them for an "act of God"?

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    Blame Fatboy for that one..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer View Post
    Yes it's a purge. A good ol' fashioned hardcore, right-wing coup. It was planned and designed to eventually - at a point of their choosing - finish the job that scumbag Suthep started. They or their proxies in suits will be there until it's time for the really big outrage they're planning - makes swatting Thaksin and democracy look like child's play. They'll pull that one off too I'll bet.
    Seems to be an historical cycle, TS...
    Guess we'll have to sit back and observe - see what develops - or doesn't.

    I believe all will extend their own speculative comments perspectives of foresight, yet we really don't know how things might follow.

    For the times.....this one is truly different.

    I do know that if push comes to shove, I wouldn't want to be in the city or major populated centres....

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    Why did Abhisit and Yingluck meet? BP doesn’t doubt their sincerity in wanting to help people, but in regards to the timing one could also view it cynically. The Democrats have the Bangkok governorship and have had since 2004 so if Bangkok floods the Governor and to some extent the Democrats will take some blame whereas for Puea Thai and Yingluck, in particular, they are the central government although do have the advantage that they only just come into government. Hence, for both sides, there is something to gain from the meeting. They need to be seen as working with each other to do their upmost to help. Needless to say photos of the meeting were splashed over the front pages of newspapers yesterday and made both of them look good.

    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
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    I'm talking about the dikes surrounding Bangkok that forced the water to stay upcountry. And like I said before, the previous year had a drought so they kept the reservoirs filled and then a tropical storm hit. Are you blaming them for an "act of God"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    ^^
    I'm talking about the dikes surrounding Bangkok that forced the water to stay upcountry. And like I said before, the previous year had a drought so they kept the reservoirs filled and then a tropical storm hit. Are you blaming them for an "act of God"?
    I'm blaming them for intentional water mis-management. That's why you don't get it, the floods began months before the water came south or even flooded the north.. The impending ousting of the installed dem government was evident so they intentionally ignored the rising water so fools like you would fall for "acts of god" and blame the new admin. Obviously their tactics worked, Especially in Bangkok of all places. Shows even the up country farmers have better perspectives then many of the "educated" city high so's who fell hook line and sinker for that one..

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloridaBorn View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    ^^
    I'm talking about the dikes surrounding Bangkok that forced the water to stay upcountry. And like I said before, the previous year had a drought so they kept the reservoirs filled and then a tropical storm hit. Are you blaming them for an "act of God"?
    I'm blaming them for intentional water mis-management. That's why you don't get it, the floods began months before the water came south or even flooded the north.. The impending ousting of the installed dem government was evident so they intentionally ignored the rising water so fools like you would fall for "acts of god" and blame the new admin. Obviously their tactics worked, Especially in Bangkok of all places. Shows even the up country farmers have better perspectives then many of the "educated" city high so's who fell hook line and sinker for that one..
    What might have Thai water management/mismanagement been like some 100 + years ago.....??

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    Quote Originally Posted by FloridaBorn
    I'm blaming them for intentional water mis-management. That's why you don't get it, the floods began months before the water came south or even flooded the north.. The impending ousting of the installed dem government was evident so they intentionally ignored the rising water so fools like you would fall for "acts of god" and blame the new admin. Obviously their tactics worked, Especially in Bangkok of all places. Shows even the up country farmers have better perspectives then many of the "educated" city high so's who fell hook line and sinker for that one..
    You blame Clinton for 9/11 and it's you with the fish hook in the mouth.

    Anyways, this thread is about the coup, so put it to rest already.

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    Charupong, PT leader, "Stop the Kingdom of Fear"

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    The Junta have said they'll be remaining in power for 1-3 years and that should tell you all what it's really all about, nothing going to change that, if want to live in Thailand just have to accept that's how it is, although personally I won't be visiting or moving back till it's all done and dusted as someone still has to play his hand and that's when it will get messy.

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    On the other hand, it would take a minimum of one year for the General to have the constitution rewritten and deep seated flaws addressed. If he can do that in an "even-handed" way, ( hysterics about democracy to one side), he might come out as the best thing since sliced bread.

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    Likely the blue coup will remain in place until the event has come and gone. All other commentary is mere smoke-&-mirrors to placate the international community.

    Thai votes are throw-away items. So sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MANICHAEAN1
    hysterics about democracy to one side), h
    yeah that hysterical nonsense about democracy won't affect the next constitution

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    Quote Originally Posted by Waid View Post
    Likely the blue coup will remain in place until the event has come and gone. All other commentary is mere smoke-&-mirrors to placate the international community.

    Thai votes are throw-away items. So sad.
    That's how I see it, Waid. But when it happens, the mess that follows could be even worse. Prayuth may even see a big big opportunity for himself. 15 months is nothing.

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    PDRC has lavish party, and draws lots of flak, wonder if they have been reported for a mass gathering which is a serious offence under martial law


    PDRC party draws flak | Bangkok Post: news

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer View Post
    Yes it's a purge. A good ol' fashioned hardcore, right-wing coup. It was planned and designed to eventually - at a point of their choosing - finish the job that scumbag Suthep started. They or their proxies in suits will be there until it's time for the really big outrage they're planning - makes swatting Thaksin and democracy look like child's play. They'll pull that one off too I'll bet.
    Yep, call nice dog nice dog as you pick up the rock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buriramboy View Post
    The Junta have said they'll be remaining in power for 1-3 years and that should tell you all what it's really all about, nothing going to change that, if want to live in Thailand just have to accept that's how it is, although personally I won't be visiting or moving back till it's all done and dusted as someone still has to play his hand and that's when it will get messy.
    And when it's 'over' I'm sure everything will be just fine for you to come and live in Thailand. You never know, this might well be the last coup.

    But consider, if it is, how bright would it be to come on over?

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    What will be the big outrage , no blue just yellow ?

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    Thai activists plan rally to defy coup protest ban - Businessweek

    BANGKOK (AP) — An anti-coup activist in Thailand called Friday for a weekend rally to defy the military government's ban on demonstrations, urging those opposed to the takeover to wear masks and be ready for cat-and-mouse chases with soldiers in the capital.

    The call to rally on Sunday raised concerns of a showdown, as the military reiterated its ban on political gatherings and warned it will not tolerate protests against the coup it staged May 22.

    "The authorities will take legal measures against those who come out to oppose" the coup, deputy army spokesman Col. Winthai Suvaree told a news conference. "We cannot tolerate this situation happening."
    Video: Thai Army to Name Prime Minister as Protests Grow

    The warning came as the military sealed off a major Bangkok intersection for a second day Friday to prevent a possible protest. The massive show of force — involving hundreds of troops during the evening rush hour— came in response to small but near-daily demonstrations that have raised tension and concerns the army will crack down on protesters.

    The country's powerful army chief, Gen. Prayuth Chan-ocha, defended the coup as a means to restore order after seven months of increasingly violent political turbulence.

    In the past week, the junta has moved to silence its critics and warned that it will not tolerate dissent.
    Video: Implications of Thai Coup `Quite Severe': Vickers

    It has summoned more than 250 people, including members of the government it ousted and other leading political figures, journalists, scholars and activists seen as critical of the regime. Roughly 70 people are still in custody.

    Among those summoned was veteran social activist Sombat Boonngam-anong, who is allied with "Red Shirts" who backed the ousted government and has played a role in organizing anti-coup protests.

    Sombat has gone into hiding but taunted the military by posting the call to protest on his Facebook page, summoning 10,000 people to come in disguise for a "mask party to celebrate the coup." Protesters have started wearing masks with the faces of political personalities, including the army chief, Prayuth.
    Video: How the Thai Coup Is Impacting Japanese Automakers

    "There is no need to be aggressive in opposing the coup. Smile, please, and take it easy," Sombat said. "The masks you wear ... will be enough to make the dictators in the military lose face."

    "The goal is to tell the world what we think about the coup," he said, setting the meeting place at a McDonald's restaurant in central Bangkok. Anticipating that soldiers might seal the area, he urged protesters to "go play" elsewhere and listed different neighborhoods in the capital where they could regroup.

    One of the McDonald's branches in Bangkok has become a gathering place for protests because of its convenient location. Some protesters have used the McDonald's logo in their anti-coup signs, replacing the "m'' in democracy with the yellow golden arches.
    Video: Thai Army Chief: This Is Not a Coup

    Earlier this week, McDonald's in Thailand stated its political neutrality and warned it will take "appropriate measures" to protect its trademark.

    "We wish to clarify that McThai maintains and will continue maintaining a neutral position in the current political situation in Thailand," the company said in a statement.

    The army coup overthrew a government that won a landslide election victory three years ago.
    Video: Thai Military Takes Control of Government in Coup

    At the center of Thailand's deep political divide is Thaksin Shinawatra, a former prime minister supported by many rural Thais for his populist programs but despised by others — particularly Bangkok's elite and middle classes — over allegations of corruption, abuse of power and disrespect for the monarchy. He was ousted in a 2006 coup and lives abroad in self-imposed exile, but held great influence over the overthrown government, which had been led by his sister until a court ousted her earlier this month.

    Despite the latest political upheaval, life has continued largely as normal in most of the country, with tourists still relaxing at beach resorts and strolling through Buddhist temples in Bangkok and elsewhere.

    A curfew remains in effect from midnight to 4 a.m. but has not affected critical travel, including that of tourists arriving at airports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thormaturge View Post
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    You totally discount the concept that the junta actually wanted to pay the farmers where as yingluck did not.
    Remember the PT government trying to borrow money from the GSB to pay the farmers? Who was it that prevented them?

    The fact is that there simply wasn't the money to pay farmers from rice sales, both because of a decline in value of stocks and failure, for whatever reason, to sell the stuff. So the only option was to borrow, and repay the money from this year's tax revenue, which PT were prevented from doing.

    2557 BE tax revenues will be lower so now the military government are going to be faced with some stark choices, having blown a large chunk of last year's bumper tax revenue. Do they increase VAT, reduce subsidies on Diesel, CNG and electricity, or borrow more? With bond issues falling short we seem likely be faced with hikes in VAT and energy prices that are all hugely inflationary. Remember an increase in VAT from 7% to 10% represents a 42.86% increase in revenue, and it is instant (unlike income tax which has a one year time lag).

    It seems the junta, well, the General at any rate, is considering a reduction in the level of VAT and further lightening of the burden of taxation upon the poorer classes in order to stimulate the economy.

    My punt that the baht will be trading at 40 to the USD by Sept is looking better and better.

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