Originally Posted by Humbert
Originally Posted by Humbert
I just think getting the Military to increase the abusing is the answer as is getting the International community more involved. For someone like Thaksin, I think he's happy to see the spotlight brightened on the topics which just can't be discussed as those are the real issues affecting freedom in Thailand at least for him. Right now there are plenty of non-violent means to push for change. The military and yellows slime shouldn't be allowed to whitewash the past including what is happening now and in recent years. More and more voices are joining this fight. People just need to be aware and involved and awakened to the fact that their lives really are equal to others. Bringing awareness to this is important. I have no doubt that what has happened already is good for the masses of ignored Thais. The issues here are Thai but the world is also acknowledging the same problems of power and wealth. Thailand's tradition controllers just think they can control it as they always have. That's why there are more foreigners interested in the plight of the 'common man' in Thailand. Thailand is as important as anywhere but this is goes well beyond its borders. With Thailand's junta pressuring Google and Facebook, it shows that foreigners have a say in this. They have to choose whether they are going to join the oppressors (of the world) or hold tight and join the fight for empowerment of the average person. Their corporate choices in this will come back to them in their home nations.
The reality is that there are but a handful of people willing to turn up to protest against their country being ruled temporarily by the military.
Not exactly on a par with national dissention despite journalists digging for a sensational edge to the story.
Huffing and puffing by those who have but a singular view will no doubt continue until they are Red in the face but the truth is that the nation appears content with the current situation. Nobody died!
The reality is people will be jailed for 2 years if they speak out against the coup. I believe that's what the detainees have been told. People are afraid now (you wouldn't understand that coming from your background) but eventually more people will speak out. Right now voices are muzzles and that's a fact.
It's not hype, it's fact. I'm sure the TD members that did suffer from the flooding can confirm that Yingluck and the PTP were in power at the time. The ones that have met both Ant and myself can also confirm we are not the same. You, however come across as being DriventoWank in a previous TD life.
Originally Posted by Mr Lick
I'm not sure if Thais think like that. Thais are easy to give up so many probably will just keep their ideas to themselves at this time. I'm sure it will get to many over time. The government will probably force the schools to re-educate people and who knows maybe they'll even purge the ranks of government institutions of those who don't wear yellow. Didn't they do a bit of that in decades past? Guess it all depends on how lost in time the generals are. There are plenty of Americans who relish the return of a racist, pro-Christian, war-mongering past so why would Thailand not have their version of it. The Thais are obviously much more capable of going back to that time than most other nations. Trying to hold onto some imaginary glory years. FFS!
All this talk of democracy
There is no democracy. It's a fallacy. Its all there to make you think you have a choice, but you don't. As Mr Carlin tells you, you have owners.
Suck it up boys and stop bleating about democracy. You are beginning to sound like obomba and bush.
You don't have to read this thread Pseudolus. Why would you unless you think you may be wrong because if it is as you say there's no story here.
it most certainly is a dog eat dog world, and although i dont concur with the rest of your statement, it very much sums up an awful lot of thailand, the most status ridden country on the planet, where no two people occupy equal status, where every social meeting starts of with people sniffing around each other to determine which one occupies the high ground and which one occupies the low ground.it's a dog eat dog world, get as much for yourself as possible and don't respect any body else, they are all beneath me.
When you just dehumanize people in this manner then your message gets lost...
It appears that all you're doing is insulting people in an attempt to justify your feelings of superiority. Thailand is the same as any other country, it's conventional, it's framed by people in power to suit themselves (money and power) - in Thailand, that group is, and has been for many many decades, the army and ultra-nationalists. You seem to buy into their narrative very easily then blame Thais for the narrative created by the folks you are currently supporting in this thread...
Cycling should be banned!!!
where foreigners in new york and london will read it over breakfast before not giving a flying fuck.The issues which didn't have anything to do with this are getting dug up and put in papers around the world.
how many thais do you think will be stung into action, take up arms, and be moved to attempt to overthrow the junta by seeing someone reading 1984 on the skytrain..Just leaving papers on a bus or reading a book such as 1984 in public makes a statement.
how many thais have even heard of 1984.
are you saying that thais DONT spend the first two or three minutes of any encounter with a new face marking out their territory status wise.
every wai between two thais is status dependent, acknowledging the others superior or inferior status, as opposed to the western handshake, which is a greeting on equal terms.
nothing dehumanising (your new buzzword i see) about what ive said about the thais love of status. its fact, and a well known fact too.
Where does that come from? Who maintains it and for what reason?Originally Posted by taxexile
We had the same structures, different pronouns, etc, in feudal times, but we developed beyond them as the Thais are trying to do now, and as the junta/PAD/royalists are trying to stop. Sadly, you are supporting the feudal lords and the discourse they have created to empower themselves...
That is common human behaviour; as you say, it is a dog eat dog world, the whole world not just ThailandOriginally Posted by taxexile
I don't think so, although the status markers may have changed, depending on which society you may wish to discussOriginally Posted by Bettyboo
Exactly. It's human behaviour. It's universal. Done slightly differently in different cultures but exactly, not approximately, the same goal.
What has surprised me a little in the last few days is the lack of nuance in Tax and thegents thinking. Very linear. Black 'n white stuff, which would normally be associated with simple thinking. Not quite what I'd expected.
speaking for myself, i think that this coup is the best thing to happen to thailand in quite a while, of course it goes against the thinking of westerners and their love of the democratic process, but looking at brussels these days, i dont see much democracy in evidence there.What has surprised me a little in the last few days is the lack of nuance in Tax and thegents thinking.
Oliver Cromwell’s Speech to the Long Parliament : 20 April 1653.
“It is high time for me to put an end to your sitting in this place, which
you have dishonoured by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your
practice of every vice.
Ye are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government.
Ye are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would, like Esau, sell your country for a mess of pottage, and, like Judas, betray your God for a few pieces of money.
Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not
possess?
Ye have no more religion than my horse. Gold is your God. Which of you have not bartered your conscience for bribes? Is there a man amongst you that has the
least care for the good of the Commonwealth?
Ye sordid prostitutes have you not defiled this sacred place, and turned the
Lord's temple into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked
practices?
Ye are grown intolerably odious to the whole nation. You were deputed here by the people to get grievances redressed, are yourselves become the greatest
grievance.
Your country therefore calls upon me to cleanse this Augean stable, by putting a
final period to your iniquitous proceedings in this House; and which by God's
help, and the strength he has given me, I am now come to do.
I command ye therefore, upon the peril of your lives, to depart immediately out
of this place.
Go, get you out! Make haste! Ye venal slaves be gone! So! Take away that shining bauble there, and lock up the doors.
In the name of God, Go !”
Oliver Cromwell : 20th. April 1653 – written 361 years in advance !.
thats why the coup is a good thing. its cleansing, its a detox, its an enema. and there are no two ways about it.
^ as I'm sure you are aware - I could not agree with you more...
&, your example is very informative; what happened to Ollie, what did he become, o the love of power...
Again, you bring up this notion of them and us; it's all power within society and the movement from feudal to democratic, there is nothing different or unique about it, no matter how much the PADite propaganda attempts to convince you so...
I'm talking about the English language, and it's not up for debate it's fact. We say YOU no matter who you are speaking to; man, woman, your dog, your boss, the PM, head of the army, etc. Our discourse has become democratic, and that's exactly what the junta will NOT be doing because their ideology and intention is to reinforce patronage systems with levels and a strong hierarchy... Hence why the general will NOT allow people to speak to him like that (calling reporters in for asking him disrespectful questions), the LM laws will be (as has been stated in recent days) more thoroughly enforced, and general/freedom of discourse is being closed down. Some of you folks just don't get it... &, as I've realized through the 2006 to now politics, you will accept and attempt to justify ANYTHING the PADites and junta do, saying they are the best thing since sliced bred just as your brethren were saying about Hitler 80 odd years ago, justifying anything he did - the weakness of people who are not prepared to think critically and challenge power conventions is scarily evident in this thread....
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