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    The South gets worse an worse

    This is just plain wrong an has been going on for far too long ( 10+ years), Thai Government has done nothing to stop it, ( although having driven from Betong on the Malaysia border to Yalla had to pass over 40 road blocks) Regardless of which government is, or has been in power they are all totally ineffective.

    two days ago;

    PATTANI: -- An female employee of Bangkok Bank’s Nongchik-Pattani branch was shot and then burned alive while she was riding home in a motorcycle on Highway 42 late yesterday evening in Yaring district of Pattani.

    The victim was later identified as Miss Sayamol sae Limg, 28.

    Yaring district police said that the bank employee was riding home in Panare district on the Highway 42 or Narathiwat-Pattani road. As she passed a secluded stretch of the highway, a gunman in unknown type of vehicle approached alongside and then pumped three shots at her.

    She lost control and fell to the ground with the motorcycle.

    One militant then came out with a gallon of petrol, poured on her and then lit the fire.
    and yesterday;

    Killing of monk seen as 'revenge for murder of three brothers
    BANGKOK: -- THE SLAYING yesterday of a Buddhist monk and three others including a nine-year-old boy in southern Pattani was in retaliation for the murder of three Muslim brothers of the Manan clan in Narathiwat 10 days ago, experts said.
    Yesterday was the anniversary of the death of Marosoh Chantravadi, a leader of an insurgent cell in the area, who was killed along with 15 other men in Narathiwat's Bacho district.

    Since late 2003 the fighting has claimed more than 5,000 lives while authorities in Bangkok remain helpless in coming up with a viable strategy to contain the violence and restore peace in the region. Negotiations for a truce remain in limbo.

    Killing of monk seen as 'revenge for murder of three brothers - The Nation


    This is the reason why , they are claiming for these atrocities
    Southern militants shoot and burn bank employee | Thai PBS English News

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    Gert is very upset today,two of the people offering alms to monks who were shot dead,were family friends.
    To many people from South sad at the moment my darling was uttered to me today.
    I just replied,yes sweetheart i know.
    Militants kill monk and three civilians | Thai PBS English News
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    Fascists dress in black and go around telling people what to do, whereas priests... more drink!

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    The assailants who killed these 3 children are obviously in collusion with the Thai army in the south , the family was targeted because they thought the father was linked to the insurgency.

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    he was linked years ago but the courts found him innocent,
    still thats no reason to kill his kids!!

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    Semi-Autonomy for the region is the only way out, always was and always will be.

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    Malaysia was a Thai colony. It was given to the British (- the current difficult provinces) by Rama 5 in negotiation to keep Thailand un-colonised.

    When the British left and returned most of Malaysia, the southern provinces became a massive bone of contention between tribes/religions.

    Nowadays the fire is stoked by Saudi Arabian financiers and bent politicians.

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    Incorrect, Albert. 'Malaysia' was never a Thai colony nor did it belong to Thailand. This goes for Malaya and the Sultanates. The northern-most sultanate was defeated by Thailand around 1700, I believe (this makes a tiny percentage of the overall land-mass of Malaysia)

    Also incorrect that religion played a part in the southern provinces when the Brits left . . . it really only got going after 2000 . . . and the fire isn't stoked by Saudi financiers, though if you have proof of this I'd be very interested. Of course another idea proposed by PM Chulanont was that the insurgency was financed by Tom Yam restaurants in Malaysia . . . True.

    The troubles now are due to the treatment of the Muslim population by the Buddhist centralist government and army, among other factors
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    All started when British and French pressures forced Siam to give up its territorial claims on Indochina and the Malay Peninsula under the heading of the " Burney Treaty"and later the Anglo-Siamese Treaty of 1909.

    Prior to the late 19th century, the British East India Company was only interested in trading and tried as much as possible to stay away from Malay politics.
    However, Siam influence in northern Malay states, especially Kedah, Terengganu, Kelantan and Pattani was preventing the Company from trading in peace.

    Therefore, in 1826, the British through the Company signed a secret treaty known today as the Burney Treaty with the king of Siam.

    The four Malay states were not present during the signing of the agreement.

    In that treaty, British acknowledged Siamese sovereignty over all those states.
    In return, Siam accepted British ownership of Penang and Province Wellesley and allowed the Company to trade in Terengganu and Kelantan unimpeded.

    Almost a hundred years later, a new treaty now known as Anglo-Siamese Treaty of 1909 or Bangkok Treaty of 1909 was signed between the two powers.
    In the new agreement, Siam agreed to give up claim over Kedah, Perlis, Terengganu and Kelantan while Pattani remains as Siamese territory.

    Some very interesting facts about Pattani,
    The former Sultanate of Patani was conquered by the Thais in 1785 and has been governed by them ever since. Thai ownership was confirmed by the Anglo-Siamese Treaty of 1909.

    On 1791 and 1808, there were several unsuccessful rebellions within Pattani against their Thai conquerors. Following which, Pattani was divided into 7 largely autonomous states ' Pattani, Nongchik, Saiburi (Teluban), Yala (Jalur), Yaring (Jambu), Ra-ngae (Legeh) and Reman. All these was ruled by the Raja Ligor. For several months, there was a period of independence when along with Kedah Malays, Pattanese drove the Thais out. This however was short-lived.

    History of Pattani - Pattani, Hindu-Malay empire, Langkasuka, Southern Thailand, Kelantan, Terengganu, Kedah, Pattani, Yala, Narathiwat, Songkhla, Satun

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    I think this might be an old one from a week or so ago but someone just posted it on youtube today.


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    You can try and dress it up anyway you like, but it's a muslim insurgency and an attempt to create, by force and terror, an independent muslim state inside a foreign country.

    Like any other muslim insurgency, it should be put down with vigour.

    Muslims live alongside the Thais throughout the country without problem, so it is obvious that there are external influences at work here, providing funding, training and probably the ordnance and explosives as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OckerRocker
    The troubles now are due to the treatment of the Muslim population by the Buddhist centralist government and army, among other factors
    A history of short changing the southern provinces in a fair and equal distribution of government infrastructure development programs opened the door for radical elements now in play. If and when folks in the south get their fair share the trouble may stop. But it may not as actions taken by the government over the last several years have only served to foster radicalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    it is obvious that there are external influences at work here, providing funding, training and probably the ordnance and explosives as well.
    Funding could be coming from any number of terrorist organizations. Pretty clear support is via the radical northern provinces of Malaysia. Provinces the moderate government of Malaysia has had to suppress radical Islamist doctrine.

    Quote Originally Posted by OckerRocker
    Semi-Autonomy for the region is the only way out
    Sounds good but not a good solution for the southern provinces. Semi-Autonomy would only make there economics worse. The Thai government wants to fix the problem then spend some money in the south. Open up BOIs and build up infrastructure to encourage private investment and jobs that follow. Folks with jobs and decent income will reject terrorism. Armed forces can only provide an environment of security while investment programs are being developed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    You can try and dress it up anyway you like, but it's a muslim insurgency and an attempt to create, by force and terror, an independent muslim state inside a foreign country.

    Like any other muslim insurgency, it should be put down with vigour.

    Muslims live alongside the Thais throughout the country without problem, so it is obvious that there are external influences at work here, providing funding, training and probably the ordnance and explosives as well.
    Gosh Harry aren't you afraid in crowded places in BKK? I mean there out to get you. I'm sure they'll be bombing all over Thailand soon since it's about religion alone and not land. Other nations should just avoid Thailand if you are correct Sir Harry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AsGoodAsItGets View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    You can try and dress it up anyway you like, but it's a muslim insurgency and an attempt to create, by force and terror, an independent muslim state inside a foreign country.

    Like any other muslim insurgency, it should be put down with vigour.

    Muslims live alongside the Thais throughout the country without problem, so it is obvious that there are external influences at work here, providing funding, training and probably the ordnance and explosives as well.
    Gosh Harry aren't you afraid in crowded places in BKK? I mean there out to get you. I'm sure they'll be bombing all over Thailand soon since it's about religion alone and not land. Other nations should just avoid Thailand if you are correct Sir Harry.
    I didn't realise that basic reading comprehension was beyond your gnat-like intellect.


    Muslims live alongside the Thais throughout the country without problem
    Now which bit of that would you like me to explain to you?

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    Tell me why it's a Muslim insurgency? It has nothing to do with Islam. There's not truth in that. If anything at this point it's about revenge. If you are right, I guess the Muslims are saying in their circles, the Buddhists stole their land. The only reason there are so many Buddhists being attacked down there is that the government has encouraged them to go there. If anything it's a Buddhist invasion.

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    So dropping one million origami birds from airplanes for "peace" didn't work then?

    One of Thaksin's not so effective ideas, especially coming after Tak Bai.

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