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    Quote Originally Posted by Perota
    1/ The international community doesn't want it.

    2/ They know they don't have the competence, and the morons who lead the protest even less, to run the country.

    3/ A coup will be followed by actions from the reds and probably a civil insurrection.

    So no coup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Perota
    1/ The international community doesn't want it.

    2/ They know they don't have the competence, and the morons who lead the protest even less, to run the country.

    3/ A coup will be followed by actions from the reds and probably a civil insurrection.

    So no coup.

    I have to agree with butterfly.


    OMG, what has the world come to when that happens?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Perota
    1/ The international community doesn't want it.

    2/ They know they don't have the competence, and the morons who lead the protest even less, to run the country.

    3/ A coup will be followed by actions from the reds and probably a civil insurrection.

    So no coup.
    The shutdown Bangkok demos will stop in the evening and recommnce the next day. This is to keep the streets clear at night for movement of heavy vehicles. 500baht on wednesday night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Takeovers
    I have to agree with butterfly.

    OMG, what has the world come to when that happens?
    There is a big round tower in Bkk. I suggest you go there, to the restaurant near the top, have a nice meal, some good wine, then jump off...

    Try not to hit a tank at the bottom, you might dirty the nice yellow bow with your red blood.

    I tend to think that the army are working with their judicial puppets to ban the 300 ish (208?) MPs then put more pawns in power. But, if suthep can cause enough chaos then they will be willing to jump in early if they think they can frame themselves as heroes; it's a dual pronged attack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HermantheGerman
    > Germany Embassy is expecting the worst. Diplomats are advising to stockpile food. <
    this is just an excuse to stash an extra bratwurst

    if they cover 20 + locations with protestors , that will only be a 100 or so at each site - they will be struggling to compete with the garland vendors

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butterfly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Perota
    1/ The international community doesn't want it.

    2/ They know they don't have the competence, and the morons who lead the protest even less, to run the country.

    3/ A coup will be followed by actions from the reds and probably a civil insurrection.

    So no coup.

    This post was especially for you. You found one of my last post too "complex and non-trivial" for this board. So now I try to make simple.

    Anyway I still think that all three of my points are valid. Any one specifically you don't agree with ?

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    All 3 comments are valid, mate. But, the arrogance and ignorance of the Thai 'elites' knows no boundaries - they will keep going until they have provoked full-on civil war, imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    All 3 comments are valid, mate. But, the arrogance and ignorance of the Thai 'elites' knows no boundaries - they will keep going until they have provoked full-on civil war, imo.
    The arrogance and vacant understand from this status-class derives from survival instinct. They, and their extended associations, are hard-pressed to change....

    ...until some dramatic events cause change.
    Unfortunately [for everyone], it events and results might not be pretty.

    Civil unrest and rebellious measures are growing.
    Let's hope that calmer heads prevail - all sides.

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    The "Bangkok shutdown" could lead to a coup which would bring no good to the Thai economy, warned an economic lecturer.

    Assoc Prof Panupong Nitiprapa, dean of Thammasat University’s Faculty of Economics, said Friday that lessons learnt from 2006 showed that Thailand has lost several economic opportunities because of the coup.

    "After the 2006 coup, opportunities have been lost. In the following year, Asia showed 5.3 per cent economic growth, against the world’s average of 5.1 per cent. In the year, Thailand showed only 4.5 per cent in economic growth. This worries us immensely. Political changes entail some costs. Changes in policies could pose long-term impacts on the economy, particularly if public spending could not be maintained," he said at the seminar hosted by the faculty.

    Shutdown could lead to dangerous coup: economic lecturer - The Nation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perota
    This post was especially for you.
    you are a ridiculous ignorant,

    none of your posts are complex and articulate, just pure propaganda and silly rethoric straight from the red idiots council

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    ^^ While a coup is possible, and hoped by a number of irresponsible individuals, it is highly unlikely because since 2006 the army has learned that the costs largely exceed the advantages that could be expected from a coup.

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    ^ pure rubbish.

    The 'cost' will be born by the taxpayers (as usual). The 'benefits' will go to those few who have positioned themselves to take advantage of it. The army will be completely unaffected and will just get an increased allocation in next years budget.

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    The problem is Gerbil me old mucker, that social change is a coming, and some folks in the army are likely to be accountable one day soon - I suspect they're fully aware of that, with a certain regiment looking over their shoulders every second of every day...

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    I still figure it's Sunday night as that's the easiest. With all the bullshit excuses. Or they wait for their planned third hand violence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gerbil
    The 'cost' will be born by the taxpayers (as usual).
    'cost' as in loss of patience by the West, loss of investment funds including the possibility of immediate loan paybacks and even sanctions.

    However, the train's already derailed and heading for the cliff so it's going to be coup time to: "save the Country" yet again and talk of the necessity: "for a short time" in order to: "stabilise" and "reform" to: "improve the (still) immature democracy within Thailand" ...blah blah blah that's already been written with a few more buzz words added in an attempt to appease the West no doubt.

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    Despite all the comments above, I still believe there will be no coup.

    A coup, then what ? Suthep has no realistic program. The plan was, we get rid of Thaksin then all other problems will be solved by themselves. They won't, the period 2006-2011 proved it. Furthermore it also showed there is nothing to win for the army in a coup but trouble.

    Suthep movement is quickly losing momentum. Most (all) of the Bangkok "bourgeois" I know who went to the previous demonstration are not going to join on the 13. Bangkok Post editorialists are backpedaling as fast as they can (Suthep should be shut down, not Bangkok. Suthep's rickety ark is going to sink us all ...). The real students are supporting the "Respect my vote" campaign.

    Lets see what's going to happen on the 13 but I still believe there won't be no coup in the foreseeable future.

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    Network opposes coup, backs election and reform



    Sixty prominent academics, intellectuals and activists across the political divide came together for the first time yesterday to create a network against violence or military coup, as well as to support fair elections and reform.

    Their press conference yesterday at Thammasat University comes just a couple of days before the anti-government People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC) shuts Bangkok down on Monday and amid rampant speculation about an impending military putsch.

    Network's members

    There are 60 people listed. Those critical of the government include Thailand Development Research Institute (TDRI) president Somkiat Tangkitvanich, former TDRI head and noted economist Ammar Siamwalla, and consumer rights activist Saree Aongsomwang. On the pro-government side are noted historian Nidhi Eoseewong and Red Sunday group leader Sombat Boonngam-anong. Well-known Buddhist monk Phra Paisal Visalo and former student leader Seksan Prasertkul are also members of the network.

    Their standpoints

    No violence by all sides and the government must only use force to maintain law and order if necessary and use it in accordance with international standards.

    No military coup; the network said a coup would only deepen the conflict and lead to more violence and bloodshed.

    Yes to an election; they say electoral right is an inviolable political right.

    Yes to national reform; but the process must be all inclusive, participatory and legitimate, involving all parties in dialogue.

    Network opposes coup, backs election and reform - The Nation

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    Seven injured in Thai protest shooting
    Seven injured in Thai protest shooting, military chief fears escalating violence | Reuters

    "I am concerned about security because there will be many people. The violence is increasing...," said Prayuth.
    Standard Procedures being followed to remove the Government.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perota View Post
    Network opposes coup, backs election and reform



    Sixty prominent academics, intellectuals and activists across the political divide came together for the first time yesterday to create a network against violence or military coup, as well as to support fair elections and reform.

    Their press conference yesterday at Thammasat University comes just a couple of days before the anti-government People's Democratic Reform Committee (PDRC) shuts Bangkok down on Monday and amid rampant speculation about an impending military putsch.

    Network's members

    There are 60 people listed. Those critical of the government include Thailand Development Research Institute (TDRI) president Somkiat Tangkitvanich, former TDRI head and noted economist Ammar Siamwalla, and consumer rights activist Saree Aongsomwang. On the pro-government side are noted historian Nidhi Eoseewong and Red Sunday group leader Sombat Boonngam-anong. Well-known Buddhist monk Phra Paisal Visalo and former student leader Seksan Prasertkul are also members of the network.

    Their standpoints

    No violence by all sides and the government must only use force to maintain law and order if necessary and use it in accordance with international standards.

    No military coup; the network said a coup would only deepen the conflict and lead to more violence and bloodshed.

    Yes to an election; they say electoral right is an inviolable political right.

    Yes to national reform; but the process must be all inclusive, participatory and legitimate, involving all parties in dialogue.

    Network opposes coup, backs election and reform - The Nation
    Good for them - swell their ranks by another 100 and we could be well on the way to a sensible solution.

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    A squadron of jets just flew over the property at low-level going like real fast!

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    I just wish the Thai people could work out which gang of hooligans constitutes the government of this country

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    I thought they did, but not all of them which is why we're in limbo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    A squadron of jets just flew over the property at low-level going like real fast!
    Children's day Air Show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boon Mee
    A squadron of jets just flew over the property at low-level going like real fast!
    Fast jets you say?

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    Perota - I'll be more than happy if you prove me wrong.. But one way or the other the Sakdina/Amart are going to try to snuff out democracy here and they are going for broke, that's a certainty. Suthep wouldn't be hopping around like the shitty little monkey that he is unless his organ-grinder knew, in advance, the outcome of all this. The Army, the Courts, etc., are all the other little monkeys rattling the cages. Whether there is an "Army Coup" or a court coup, the backlash from the majority who have had their votes stolen, and the large minority of them will to take up arms to get it back will be really, really bad news for all of us here.
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