Army: Tanks, gun movements just 'routine'

**Mid** · 08-01-2014, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

coup next week

Originally Posted by Butterfly

put the Dems in place to restore Democracy

Originally Posted by Butterfly

does it sound like a good plan ?

damn , Hell has just frozen over

**Mid** · 08-01-2014, 07:52 PM

Bangkok to see troop influx for protest
08 Jan 2014

Increased security presence meant to prevent violence in planned "shutdown" of Thai capital by demonstrators.

Thailand has experienced periodic violence since the overthrow of Yingluck's brother seven years ago
[AFP]

Troops will be deployed in the Thai capital next week for the planned "shutdown" of Bangkok by demonstrators trying to overthrow the government.

The government is mobilising 14,880 police and soldiers for the mass rally, officials said on Wednsday.

"Our goal is to prevent any violence or clashes," national police spokesman Piya Uthayo said in a televised briefing.

Officials say the government is ready to declare a state of emergency if needed to deal with any unrest, following several outbreaks of street violence in which eight people, including a policeman, have been killed and hundreds wounded.

Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra has called February elections following weeks of opposition street protests.

Yingluck's government still enjoys strong support and is expected to win the election if it goes ahead, but demonstrators have vowed to block the vote,and say they will occupy the capital from January 13 until they topple the government.

Worst strife since 2010

Critics say the protesters want to provoke fresh clashes in the hope of triggering a military coup on the pretext of restoring order- an accusation the demonstrators deny.

The demonstrators- primarily southerners,urban elite,middle-class and royalists- want an unelected "people's council" to run the country.

Thailand has been periodically shaken by political bloodshed since Yingluck's older brother Thaksin Shinawatra was toppled by royalist generals in a coup seven years ago.

The recent civil strife is the worst since 2010, when more than 90 people were killed in a bloody military crackdown on pro-Thaksin Red Shirt protests under the previous government.

Ex-deputy premier Suthep Thaugsuban was due in court Wednesday to face a murder indictment over those deaths, but he asked for another postponement because he is leading the current protests.

aljazeera.com

**Begbie** · 08-01-2014, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

could this be a possible scenario ? coup next week, army leaders declare general amnesty for everyone, including Thaksin without his money back, and put the Dems in place to restore Democracy in a transition government

does it sound like a good plan ?

Everything except the bit about the democrats as that would kick things off. A panel of non political experts will be appointed.

**Tom Sawyer** · 08-01-2014, 09:57 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

As usual, we are left guessing who the army is actually working for.

You are joking, surely?

**Tom Sawyer** · 08-01-2014, 10:04 PM

Here's a more likely scenario..

The troop "influx" will be from divisions that are NOT from Issarn or the North. They will be from the south and central plateau - Prem types.

The Anti Corruption Clowns and their royalist appointed crony judges will declare the 308 are to be thrown out - just like 2008 - and on equally dodgy reasoning.

Prayuth, already well-versed in this charade, will know his lines and step forward to say the military "reluctantly" is stepping forward as the election can't produce a workable government and the military will therefore "look after things" to set up a council to govern "drawn from all sides - including the reds". He will stress IT'S NOT A COUP! Oh, no..

This of course will be a fake ploy to buy time - and as the months tick by for the "council" and its many deliberations, duly reported by the yellow-leaning media, the Establishment hopes it will slowly strangle Thaksin's influence and consolidate its position, rather than attempt any hard line military coup.

But in reality? This will be a coup - the reds must not accept this move.

My prediction, for what it's worth, and I think this is the most likely outcome - around a week from now - so as not to fuck up Chinese New Year for all these well healed jeks.

The REAL people of Thailand must not allow themselves to be fooled by this loss of democratic right - softly taken or otherwise - but you can bet the chinese-thai controlled media will be doing everything to get them to say "ok" - I'd put money on this, as I suspect H&K or another suspect like them are behind this, and they think exactly like this

**Albert Shagnastier** · 08-01-2014, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

The REAL people of Thailand

Tom, nuff of the "REAL" people are people that love King and Country - and hate Thaksin AND Suthep.

What then?

**Tom Sawyer** · 08-01-2014, 10:20 PM

The REAL people are those that make up the electoral majority. I don;t give a shit who they love. Keep brainwashing and sex out of the electoral bedroom mate..

**Albert Shagnastier** · 08-01-2014, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

The REAL people are those that make up the electoral majority.

If the majority of the electorate don't understand the politics and are being paid by one side - it's not democratic anyway.

**Bettyboo** · 08-01-2014, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by Mid

Ex-deputy premier Suthep Thaugsuban was due in court Wednesday to face a murder indictment over those deaths, but he asked for another postponement because he is leading the current protests.

Why would courts allow this???

**Troy** · 08-01-2014, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

If the majority of the electorate don't understand the politics and are being paid by one side - it's not democratic anyway.

They do understand the Politics and they were paid by the Dems and still voted for PTP. They did so even when the Dems used the same populist policies to try to woo them.

BKK wants to rule Thailand like it used to but it will never be possible to do so again.

They can get rid of all the MP's and another load will replace them and be voted in. It will continue until BKK learn they are not Thailand but only part of it.

**Albert Shagnastier** · 08-01-2014, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by Troy

They do understand the Politics and they were paid by the Dems and still voted for PTP. They did so even when the Dems used the same populist policies to try to woo them.

I don't think this is true.

**Troy** · 08-01-2014, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

I don't think this is true.

What are you basing this thought on?

As I said before, I watched the dosh being doled out by both major parties in our area and received reliable info from other areas as well. Why bother to spend money on adverts and canvassing when you can give it direct to the people...still cheaper than (say) the US when it comes to elections.

I also saw the cold weather support and ruined crop support given by the Dems but it was simply taken as copying Dr T.

Them Isaan folk really are not as stupid as the BKK's wish they were.

**Albert Shagnastier** · 08-01-2014, 11:54 PM

Originally Posted by Troy

What are you basing this thought on?

With all due respect - I think you don't have your finger on the pulse here.

Originally Posted by Troy

Them Isaan folk really are not as stupid as the BKK's wish they were.

This is bollocks "divide and conquer"

My Thai family are farmers. Headstrong people. They aren't Issan - but they are closer to them then us whiteys will ever be.

The awakening is happening - stop calling farmers stupid - Issan or not.

They went for the easy option first - who wouldn't?

But these people are way above your western political bollocks

**Norton** · 09-01-2014, 05:05 AM

Think Albert and Troy are strangely in agreement.

**P Kupic** · 09-01-2014, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by P Kupic

I wonder how many military men got leave for new year to visit their families in the north and northeast?

Why would they get leave again just after new years? They are in the Army not working for Apple.

I didn't say after new year. I said for new year so they could visit their families. There are a hell of a lot more soldiers in Thailand beyond the 17,000 involved in BKK. If they are actually having children's day then soldiers are probably not on alert. Then again who knows, as this is Thailand. Soldiers are slaves to generals not the nation otherwise they would be able to desert when coups occur. Anyways, my point was at new year troops would have probably got an outside view on things once they were back in the rural villages.

I wonder if there is access to any information other on the bases other than that which the general is in favor of. You know in every Thai government office there's a TV going. There's got to be TVs in the barracks as well.

Another thing to note about the military is that it often splits during coups. The navy doesn't always follow the army.

**HermantheGerman** · 09-01-2014, 01:00 PM

> Germany Embassy is expecting the worst. Diplomats are advising to stockpile food. <

One can only hope that it ends quick. The outcome = Maypenrai !

**chitown** · 09-01-2014, 01:03 PM

Army: Tanks, gun movements just 'routine'

**spliff** · 09-01-2014, 01:13 PM

^I agree. Coup is already a done deal probably. Jan 13 is to be the date?

**chitown** · 09-01-2014, 01:16 PM

Thailand....

**Tom Sawyer** · 09-01-2014, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by spliff

^I agree. Coup is already a done deal probably. Jan 13 is to be the date?

Well if there is going to be a coup, I've said all along it will have been planned long ago. I think this is all part of one big and pretty transparent power-grab by the elites and their armed thugs. The army general's hand-wringing over being "neutral" and the rulings by the fake courts and "corruption" and "election" commissions are also part of the aristocracy's stitch-up to thwart the wishes of the majority.

So if there is to be a coup, and assuming my theory is right about a long-planned misadventure, then the most likely date will be Sunday (as it obviously can't be done on Children's Day) and to wait until Monday 13th would be too late because the yellow shirts (of whom the army supports) would already be in the streets and that could result in chaos (can you imagine some Chinese-looking granny in her thai flag T-shirt, clutching a golden framed picture of her hero getting run over by a tank now can we?) . So my money is on Sunday night the 12th - low traffic in any event, easy to do, easy to take over government buildings that are pretty much empty, little if any resistance. It may come amid another kangaroo decision by the yellow robed counter "corruption" or EC idiots to disband PTP

Anyway, come Monday morning, tanks are at all the intersections, Suthep is "told" to end the protests (though he knew long in advance as he was in on the charade all along). The army claims it had "no choice" as the nation was slipping into chaos. Yinglusk and cabinet are not arrested, just sent home. Doesn't address for a moment that the rest of the country will erupt and many will rise up against the army seeing through the nonsense. But the army and its backers undoubtedly have a plan for that too. This has been PLANNED. Then as of Tuesday all the rich chinks can go of and celebrate Guanxi and Chinese New Year as also PLANNED

**kingwilly** · 10-01-2014, 04:54 AM

Nice theory.

**nigelandjan** · 10-01-2014, 05:49 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

If the police were allowed to do their job, if the law was upheld, and if the military had announced that they would not get involved in another disastrous coup, this shoddy insurrection would already have collapsed. When however the forces of law and order are prevented from maintaining law and order, and the military keeps people guessing about it's true intentions, lawlessness thrives in the vacuum.

Nail bang on the head.

Mind I've got it all wrong again, yesterday I went and bought a huge box of noodles and a truck full of bottled water for the local kids day here.

wrong again

**Perota** · 10-01-2014, 09:38 AM

Police must crack down on agent provocateurs
Police should try harder to arrest "third hand" agent provocateurs in order to prevent violence at the planned Bangkok shutdown, said a key member of Peace Witness, a group whose volunteers monitor whether protests are staged in a peaceful manner.
Pairin Jotisakulratana, a key member of Peace Witness, told The Nation yesterday that there are agent provocateurs among the protesters who will not listen to the protest leaders and who are determined to ensure that a violent confrontation occurs.

Police must crack down on agent provocateurs - The Nation

No need a conspiracy theory here. Everybody knows who they are, drunk students from vocational school . They are the members of the "Network of Students and People for Thailand's Reform" (NSPTR) that is led by a well known PAd member.

Protest warning to vocational students
The Network of Students and People for Reform of Thailand (NSPRT) on Monday warned vocational students joining its anti-government rally to refrain from violence after a duty police officer was attacked by young people wielding flag sticks.

Protest warning to vocational students | Bangkok Post: news

**Perota** · 10-01-2014, 09:50 AM

Army 'neutral' in current political conflict

The Army has stayed neutral in the current political conflict all along and would like to call on members of the public not to force it to take sides, deputy spokesman Colonel Winthai Suvaree said yesterday.

He also called on netizens to be selective in their use of information obtained through social-media, which he said contained false information and hate speeches, before deciding whether to believe in the postings or spread them.

The colonel said Army commander Prayuth Chan-ocha had maintained his professional etiquette and showed the Army's neutral stance amid the volatile situations. He maintained that the Army needed to perform its duty to maintain peace and order while ensuring safety to people's life and security along with stability to the country.

Reacting to the anti-government campaign by the People's Democratic Reform Committee and other allied groups, Winthai said the PDRC-proposed reform was important to tackle corruption and other political misconduct, but questioned if it was worth injuries or deaths if there was violence associated with the effort. "The Army, therefore, calls for peaceful activities [by the protesters] and lawful enforcement [of law by the police] throughout the campaign," he added.

Army chief General Prayuth Chan-ocha has ordered soldiers to take photos for records and evidence during the upcoming political rally.

He urged that the cameraman of every company keep the pictures they've taken as evidence and urged the media to take pictures and clips of the situations as well.

He also said that 40 companies were now performing their duties, according to the order from the Centre for the Administration of Peace and Order. Moreover, they have attached ribbons to their uniforms to mark each company and each day.

Army 'neutral' in current political conflict - The Nation

**Perota** · 10-01-2014, 09:59 AM

I believe the army won't stage a coup in the coming days for the three following reasons :

1/ The international community doesn't want it.

2/ They know they don't have the competence, and the morons who lead the protest even less, to run the country.

3/ A coup will be followed by actions from the reds and probably a civil insurrection.

So no coup.

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