Thread: Suthep threatens to 'shut down' Bangkok afer New Year holidays

Originally Posted by bangkokpost.com

a former guard of Mr Suthep, who asked not to be named, admitted that PDRC guards sometimes need to resort to harsh approaches for the sake of security. He also admitted that all guards carry guns.

Originally Posted by bangkokpost.com

PDRC guards usually carry pistols and will only use them when they are attacked or authorities attempt to arrest PDRC leaders.

define peaceful ?

Originally Posted by Mid

The former guard used to work as an informant for police, which led to him meeting a policeman who later offered him work as a PDRC guard because he can use guns, has some knowledge about police investigation procedures and agrees with the PDRC’s political views.

Originally Posted by Mid

“Many policemen also work as guards,” he said, adding that most of these officers, who support the anti-government protests, come from southern provinces which are the Democrats’ stronghold.

So (if the guy is telling the truth) the police are pretty fractured too.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

A corrupt thug and criminal who has already brought down his own elected government due to his corruption, employs men with automatic weapons to fire at people who want to vote, has armed 'guards' who attack, intimidate and attempt to murder people for no other reason than not supporting this thuggish group, they want to stop elections and take away the right to vote, the list goes on and on... "...

You're talking about Thaksin, right?

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Originally Posted by Mid

The former guard used to work as an informant for police, which led to him meeting a policeman who later offered him work as a PDRC guard because he can use guns, has some knowledge about police investigation procedures and agrees with the PDRC’s political views.

Originally Posted by Mid

“Many policemen also work as guards,” he said, adding that most of these officers, who support the anti-government protests, come from southern provinces which are the Democrats’ stronghold.

So (if the guy is telling the truth) the police are pretty fractured too.

You mean ideologically, or in their uncertainty about who will pay the most?

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

LMAO- dude, do you read the papers? Aren't you aware that it was Pheu Thai's Amnesty Bill that set off this latest round of anti-government protests. Never mind the fact that the Constitutional Court ruled the bill illegal, Pheu Thai went ahead and tried to push it through anyway in their ill-conceived quest to pardon Thaksin Shinawatra and return him to power.

I'm very aware that she's trying to get her brother pardoned. Who wouldn't?

The fact is, she can't.

I'm also well aware that Thaksin is probably doing a lot behind the scenes from his exile. I'm not aware of that being illegal.

As for this:

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

the PDRC movement is all about STRENGTHENING democracy in Thailand

You have to be the dumbest fucking Seppo ever to believe that piece of shit. Thankfully the Isaan rice farmers have a bit more intellect than you and will not stand for democracy being taken away from them.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

the PDRC movement is all about STRENGTHENING democracy in Thailand

You have to be the dumbest fucking Seppo ever to believe that piece of shit. Thankfully the Isaan rice farmers have a bit more intellect than you and will not stand for democracy being taken away from them.

Sums it up perfectly

Originally Posted by Thormaturge

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

the PDRC movement is all about STRENGTHENING democracy in Thailand

You have to be the dumbest fucking Seppo ever to believe that piece of shit. Thankfully the Isaan rice farmers have a bit more intellect than you and will not stand for democracy being taken away from them.

Sums it up perfectly

Yup, yup, yup

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

the PDRC movement is all about STRENGTHENING democracy in Thailand

You have to be the dumbest fucking Seppo ever to believe that piece of shit. Thankfully the Isaan rice farmers have a bit more intellect than you and will not stand for democracy being taken away from them.

Marmite, he's obviously drunk the yellow Kool-Aid.

Originally Posted by aging one

^ what are you trying to say? You have quoted yourself twice, and then said kiss my ass?

I did not repeat my self both posts were a responce to orkarocker, or what ever he calls himself.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

I think something was lost in translation, I was trying to get at the facts around claims Suthep committed mass murder.

The case currently going through the legal process:

Snippers shooting into crowds; automatic weapons into red cross tents in a wat; live fire zones; targeting press; firing into vehicles killing children; the list goes on and on... abhisit at the helm, suthep signing the orders...

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Originally Posted by RPETER65

I think something was lost in translation, I was trying to get at the facts around claims Suthep committed mass murder.

The case currently going through the legal process:

Snippers shooting into crowds; automatic weapons into red cross tents in a wat; live fire zones; targeting press; firing into vehicles killing children; the list goes on and on... abhisit at the helm, suthep signing the orders...

I assume this comes from the red shirt protest that resulted in the burning of parts of Bangkok. These cases are still in the processes of workong there way through the court system. Do we have documented proof of all these accusations, I have heard some of this may actually have been perpetrated by the red shirts to discredit the dems, after seeing the destruction the red shirts caused in Bangkok it seems a plausible theory.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Originally Posted by RPETER65

These cases are still in the processes of workong there way through the court system. Do we have documented proof of all these accusations, I have heard some of this may actually have been perpetrated by the red shirts to discredit the dems

The redshirts put army snippers on roofs to shoot red shirts to discredit the dems?

The redshirts created live fire zones for the army to kill red shirts to discredit the dems?

The redshirts put on army uniforms and went onto the skytrain tracks shooting into the wat killing redshirts and medical volunteers to discredit the dems?

The redshirts put on army uniforms and shot at and killed press members to discredit the dems?

The redshirts put on army uniforms, made army checkpoints and fired at and killed vehicles carrying innocent citizens and their children to discredit the dems.

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I am really not disputing what you are saying, what I am saying is there is more to the situations during the 2010 protest and attempted dispearsal of the protestors than stating what you have have stated in your reply.I think as I remember the redshirts were given ample warning if they did not disband they would be pushed out, they decided to stay and fight the govt. forces. Not saying what is right or what is wrong but there are two sides to every story, to claim Suthep to be a mass murder without a conviction seems a bit premature. Of cource you surely have the right to your opinion, no dispute there.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

I think as I remember the redshirts were given ample warning if they did not disband they would be pushed out, they decided to stay and fight the govt. forces.

True. But: 1) this does not change the historic facts or his part in it; 2) the issue is the two tiered approach, time after time. One rule for the reds - extreme army response, court cases, convictions, etc. For the yellows, no army response (worse still, the army protect them...), no court cases (very few, very slow...), no convictions.

The PADites never have to retreat because they are supported by the PC and army. The red shorts, a significantly larger group, are slaughtered... The PADite actions are extreme and violent, time after time, but they always get away with it because their group controls the army and the judiciary.

It is clear that the bluebloods are very happy to slaughtered the people every decade or so - but they are untouchable.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

to claim Suthep to be a mass murder without a conviction seems a bit premature. Of

This is true. But, we can certainly say he is totally courrupt, a liar and a thug - the worst type of politican (yes, there are many like him on all sides), and one that you certainly would NOT support for democratic strengthening; we certainly have enough evidence from many years to say that.

Originally Posted by Yasojack

just got back from Khon kaen, after visiting with my wifes uncle, i met up with some of us red shirt associatse was a very interesting night, met with some hardline supporters and moderates who are being held back by some influential people.

Just to cut it short anyone who thinks Suthep and co have the upperhand in any of this, is really mistaken.

These guys are totally committed to fighting for what they believe in, from what i was told they are being held back as there is a lot going on behind the scenes, they are waiting to see what happens.

many of these people don't love Thaksin though they respect him, for waking them up ,they know he's corrupt as they come, though would prefer he disappeared off the scene, as one such person put it to me, its our fight now, and we fight for the people of this country not for the people with the money.

Its a real shame i not speak Thai i could of learnt a lot more from them and what they are doing.

And these people it seems are not being paid, there in it for themselves.

Same here in Udon, although my extended family don't get directly involved in politics.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Originally Posted by RPETER65

These cases are still in the processes of workong there way through the court system. Do we have documented proof of all these accusations, I have heard some of this may actually have been perpetrated by the red shirts to discredit the dems

The redshirts put army snippers on roofs to shoot red shirts to discredit the dems?

The redshirts created live fire zones for the army to kill red shirts to discredit the dems?

The redshirts put on army uniforms and went onto the skytrain tracks shooting into the wat killing redshirts and medical volunteers to discredit the dems?

The redshirts put on army uniforms and shot at and killed press members to discredit the dems?

The redshirts put on army uniforms, made army checkpoints and fired at and killed vehicles carrying innocent citizens and their children to discredit the dems.

...

I think nobody who has been in LoS a while would be surprised if it turns out all of the above has happened.

Originally Posted by leemo

But...but the red shirts...waaaa...!

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True when samak came into power there was supposed to be a enquiry and all political camps army and police decided not to push as all were involved.

Privy councilor Phicit called on the govt to establish a court and announced if we execute 60,000 the land will rise and are descendants will escape bad karma.

so he had the backing of the privy council and above.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Originally Posted by RPETER65

I do know that during Thaksins war on drugs many people, at his orders, were killed, many of them were not involved in the drug trade, maybe you could fill me in.

I don't know that much either. As I understand it, when Thaksin was in power, it was broadcast by the father of the nation that the drug issue was a problem that needed to be dealt with. The army also supported this idea. Thaksin took up the call and many hundreds/maybe thousands were killed without trial. This, at the time, was fully supported by all sections of society, from the top to the bottom. Thaksin was happy to get the credit for it.

Obviously, it is a heinous crime to our 'western standards'.

It was also likely abused at many levels of society by the army, police and politicians to get rid of rivals, etc.

Originally Posted by Yasojack

all political camps army and police decided not to push as all were involved.

Which is exactly what will happen this time, too. While it might theoretically be a good thing if Thailands aging political oligarchs were jailed en masse', it just ain't gonna happen. But there are bigger events to worry about now.

Originally Posted by leemo

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Originally Posted by RPETER65

These cases are still in the processes of workong there way through the court system. Do we have documented proof of all these accusations, I have heard some of this may actually have been perpetrated by the red shirts to discredit the dems

The redshirts put army snippers on roofs to shoot red shirts to discredit the dems?

The redshirts created live fire zones for the army to kill red shirts to discredit the dems?

The redshirts put on army uniforms and went onto the skytrain tracks shooting into the wat killing redshirts and medical volunteers to discredit the dems?

The redshirts put on army uniforms and shot at and killed press members to discredit the dems?

The redshirts put on army uniforms, made army checkpoints and fired at and killed vehicles carrying innocent citizens and their children to discredit the dems.

...

I think nobody who has been in LoS a while would be surprised if it turns out all of the above has happened.

You think wrongly. Your comment is just insane, and shows either that: 1) you are joking/be ironic or something similar... or 2) you have been buying into propaganda to the point that it has driven you insane...

Listening yesterday i'm not sure if its enough for them this time.

something that someone said to me was the buffaloes horn can kill very easy(sorry lost in translation) these people are very determined not to be cast off this time.

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by Yasojack

all political camps army and police decided not to push as all were involved.

Which is exactly what will happen this time, too. While it might theoretically be a good thing if Thailands aging political oligarchs were jailed en masse', it just ain't gonna happen. But there are bigger events to worry about now.

Originally Posted by Yasojack

something that someone said to me was the buffaloes horn can kill very easy(sorry lost in translation) these people are very determined not to be cast off this time.

what you are hearing are simply monkeys beating their chests,

Thai are all talks, no action

they will send 1000 idiots to die if there is a coup and the rest will go into hiding

Watching the TV news tonight ( channel 9 ) and they were saying that the protesters funds are getting lower hence the move to Lumpini. A small fortune has been spent by various people with not too much to show for it. The expected ( by them ) coup did not materialise and they are perhaps getting worried about not being able to recoup their investment.

One really concrete result has been that the Democrats chances of ever winning any future election have gone right out the window. They will of course retain their block votes from the south but a lot of fence sitters elsewhere will vote for almost anyone but the dems .