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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    My answer to the jetski industry would be to ban it, or at least restrict it to a small number of already screwed up beaches. What do they add- apart from the many rip-offs, they are an earsore and an eyesore.
    When I was 23 on my first trip to Thailand, my first jet ski experiences was one of the most refreshing moments of my life.

    Ripping into the open ocean getting wet on a hot day in Thailand is tough to beat.

    how would you like it if they banned something you liked ? Ban BoyzTown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alitongkat View Post
    how can they run jetskis without any insurance ?

    what if someone overruns a swimmer ?

    who pays this ?

    oh wait, the swimmer will soon be forced to buy an insurance at the immigration desk ?
    Its quite the epiphany some nanny staters have when they realize that they actually have to look out for themselves.

    You mean I can jump into speedboat infested waters and lose a leg and not get a 3 million dollar disability payout ??

    I have to pay for damage that I do to other peoples property ??

    Street smarts ?? What are those ?

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    Tourists Warned to Avoid Jet-Ski Scams - Phuket Wan

    Tourists Warned to Avoid Jet-Ski Scams


    By Alan Morison Saturday, April 21, 2012
    PHUKET: One of the strongest warnings yet for tourists not to ride jet-skis in Phuket or Pattaya has been published online today under the heading: 'Jet-ski at your own peril in Phuket and Pattaya.'

    The cover story at the Indian site, bangaloremirror.com, goes on to add: ''Police are 'hand-in-glove' with the mafia.''






    Some of the harshest language we've read is used in warning Indian vacationers, being attracted by the appeal of Thailand's beaches in increasing numbers, to stay away from jet-skis.

    ''The Eden of their dreams has a dark underbelly which reveals itself on the beaches of Phuket and Pattaya - a local mafia-run jet ski scam which has ripped off scores of foreign tourists,'' the article says.

    ''The racketeers' modus operandi is simple: they rent out jet skis, which have some damage in a not-so-discernible place, to vacationers at attractive rates.

    ''Then, when the joyride is over, they pounce on the unsuspecting tourists for having caused the 'damage' and extort huge amounts from them, quite often at knifepoint.''

    Phuketwan is not able to verify the contention that knives are flashed frequently in Phuket and Pattaya - we have yet to hear of a case on Phuket - but threats and intimidation are certainly part of the process.

    The claim that insurance has brought an end to problems with jet-skis on Phuket is not accurate, according to honorary consuls and police and volunteers at Kathu Police Station in Patong.

    Most often, claims on Phuket these days involve demands for the cost of the jet-ski being out of action. If tourists crash a jet-ski, the haggling over the cost of repairs can take hours, often with the jet-ski operators hurling insults and gathering around the tourists in numbers.

    Even if the damage is covered by insurance, the operators usually seek extra cash for the period that the jet-ski is out of action. Most often lately, the settlement cost has been 15,000 baht - 3000 baht a day for five days - with an extra 1000 baht for ''paperwork'' taking the total cost to 16,000 baht.

    Where two jet-skis have been involved, the total cost is 32,000 baht - even if one of the jet-skis has only lost a layer or two of paint.

    The magazine provides details of a case in which Bangalore man Raul Shanth and his father hired jet-skis in Pattaya, taking the precaution of photographing the jet-skis first.

    Even though the father-and-son produced the photographs after the operator claimed the jet-skis had been damaged, the pair ended up paying.

    ''Raul's is just one of the many ugly encounters faced by foreign tourists in Phuket and Pattaya,'' the article says. ''At least four jet ski scams take place everyday, and many of the victims are from India.''

    The Thai Consul-General, Chanchai Charanvatnakit, told the magazine: ''The Thai government is concerned about the jet ski scam. As we are an open society, there will always be some black sheep.

    ''We have asked the police and the tourist police to take stern action against such scamsters. We have also asked the local authorities in Phuket and Pattaya to take utmost care in protecting the interests of tourists.''

    Continuing scams on Phuket, verified by Patong police and honorary consuls, are likely to be raised when Phuket's honorary consuls meet with Phuket Governor Tri Augkaradacha and Phuket officials in May.

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    Pattaya Jet Ski Scam Overcharged in Thailand and What to Do

    Pattaya Jet Ski Scam

    Have you ever heard of the Pattaya Jet Ski scam?
    One of the great reasons to visit Pattaya is the abundance of water sports. There are banana boat rides, speed boat rides, paragliding and Jet Ski rentals.
    Everyone likes to get out on the water and have a great time and the warm Thailand weather makes it ideal to be outdoors on the water.
    There are plenty of beaches near Bangkok within a short driving distance and places like Pattaya can be visited easily in a day.
    Many foreign tourists visit Pattaya, but where there are lots of tourists then there is always someone looking to take advantage of them and part them from their money.
    Scams in Thailand seem to get a lot of publicity, probably out of all proportion to their occurrence, so you should know what to look out for.
    One of the well publicised scams is the Jet Ski scam and if you are thinking of taking a Jet Ski out then there are some things that you should know.
    When you hire a Jet Ski you have to sign a contract agreeing to make good any damages caused to the Jet Ski whilst you operate it.
    This type of clause is standard whether you rent a car, motorbike or Jet Ski and if you don't sign the contract then you can't rent the vehicle.
    So you really don't have any choice, but there are some things that you can do to protect yourself.

    The Jet Ski scam can work in a couple of ways.
    One way, is that after you return the Jet Ski the operator will come back later with the police and claim that you damaged the Jet Ski in some way and want the cost of the repairs.
    The other way is if you actually do cause some damage to the Jet Ski, then the quoted repair cost is at a greatly inflated price.
    Not being an expert in the cost of Jet Ski repairs you will have little idea of how whether you are being overcharged or not.
    In tourist areas of Pattaya and Phuket the Jet Ski scam has reached such a level that the general advice is not to rent a Jet Ski in these places.
    Until the problem is resolved the ongoing bad publicity will continue to damage the tourist's image of these two popular holiday destinations in Thailand.
    If you do want to take the chance of renting a Jet Ski then you should at least take photographs of the Jet Ski from all angles before you take it out.
    If the Jet Ski is already in the water you probably will not be able to get photos under the water level, so there is still a risk that there is some unseen damage.
    After you return the Jet Ski then take the same set of photographs as evidence that it was returned in good order.
    Pattaya Jet Ski Scam

    When I visited Koh Lan I saw the Pattaya Jet Ski scam play out right in front of me on a Russian tourist.
    What happened was that the Jet Ski operator with the signed agreement in hand came along the beach with two policemen to talk to the tourist.
    Because of the language differences the policeman was taking on his phone to a Russian interpreter and then he had to hand the phone to the tourist so the interpreter could explain what had been said. The same happened in reverse.
    The Russian had to put his side of the story to the interpreter and the phone was then handed back to the policeman. During this time the Jet Ski operator stayed several metres away and did not get involved in the discussion at all.
    As time went on the second policeman wandered off but the Russian got more and more agitated as he was being asked for money that he obviously thought he should not pay.
    Either it was an excessive amount or he did not do the damage claimed, I guess.
    At one point the Russian tourist tried to give the policeman money in a covert way to settle the matter, but the money was refused by the policeman and the discussion continued.
    After about 30 minutes the wife started to make her own phone calls to someone else. It seemed that if it could not be settled the Russian would have to go to the Police station.
    Obviously he was on holiday out to enjoy himself and the last thing he wanted to do was to leave the beach early and spend the rest of the afternoon down at Pattaya police station sorting things out.
    As time progressed the Russian tourist could be seen making some sort of offer to try and settle the matter. Periodically the policeman would go and consult with the Jet Ski operator, but the offers were rejected each time.
    I would like to be able to tell you how the Pattaya Jet Ski scam ended up, as this scene played out right in front of me. But it went on for over one hour and we had to leave to catch the ferry back to the Pattaya pier, so I didn't get to see how it was finally settled.
    To be fair to all involved I don't know if there was actual damage to the Jet Ski but certainly the Russian tourist was disputing the amount being claimed.
    An incident like this can be settled on the beach by you paying what they claim, but if you dispute it then be prepared to spend a couple of hours of your holiday discussing and negotiating and then having to spend even more time down at the Police station.
    In some cases if you cannot agree on a settlement and the matter is referred to a court you could be prevented from leaving the country.
    The Pattaya Jet Ski scam had become so widespread in some parts of Thailand and because it started to cast a negative light on the tourist industry there has been talk of having some sort of mandatory insurance as part of the rental process.
    One thing is clear is that something will have to be done.
    So take extra care when renting a Jet Ski to check for damages before you take it out and make sure that it is returned in good order.
    Taking photographs before and after is a wise precaution as is having your own Travel Insurance policy that covers against accidental damage.
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    Jet ski scam under scrutiny



    Jet ski scam under scrutiny | Bangkok Post: news
    SURAT THANI: Tourism operators called on local authorities on Wednesday to strictly regulate jet ski renters at Koh Samui after four employees of a jet ski operator assaulted and injured a Swiss tourist.
    Thanongsak Somwong, chairman of the Koh Samui tourism promotion association, said business owners and tourism operators wanted concerned agencies to impose stronger controls on more than 50 jet ski owners who are operating on Koh Samui’s beaches.
    Mr Thanongsak said some operators took advantages or threatened physical attacks. He blamed state agencies for failing to crack down on rogue jet ski owners, resulting in a repeat of the similar incident.

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    http://meebal.com/the-thailand-jet-ski-scam/

    THE THAILAND JET SKI SCAM – Many thousands, millions according to the Thai Government, head to Thailand’s tourist areas each year including popular destinations such as Phuket, Pattaya and Krabi.

    Most tourists are completely unaware of the number of scams that Thais use in order to extract often extremely large sums of money; which is generally due to the glossy brochures depicting Thailand as the ‘Land of Smiles’ while expats and victims of these continuing scams refer to Thailand as the ‘Land of Scams’.
    One of the most popular and most widely talked about is that of the Jet Ski scam. The ruse it simple; a tourist hires a Jet Ski, has a little fun and then after returning it the Thais accuse the tourists of damaging the Jet Ski.
    In nearly all cases of the scam the tourist has reported that they never collided with any other object in or on the water and that the so-called damage was in fact old damage.
    The so-called Thai smile soon turns to intimidation as tourists are often surrounded by a group of Jet Ski operators. Like dogs these guys hunt in packs and are quite willing to turn violent if the tourist refuses to pay.

    Pattaya Jet Ski Scam example:

    Before long, after being surrounded, intimidated and threatened the tourist often comes to the conclusion that there is little way out of this situation other than giving into Jet Ski operators extortionate demands. Compensation, as the Thais like to view it, can range from a few hundred dollars to several thousands; often leaving the tourist financially devastated and with the clear resolved that Thailand is now on the list of places ‘never’ to visit again.
    There are a few tourists who resist and really argue the point that they are not responsible but the Thais have another card to play. While these scams are intimidating and confrontational, these rarely do lead to outright violence as the Jet Ski operators then call the police.
    Watching a tourist undergo this level of harassment is harrowing and once the police are called you can visibly see the relief on their faces as they anticipate that law enforcement will aid the tourist and prevent them from being scammed. Unfortunately this relief quickly turns to utter despair shortly after the police arrive.
    It is well known, documented and widely accepted that police officers in Thailand are corrupt and it doesn’t have a genius long to work out that the police are in on the scam. It is estimated that some 20% of the money from the scam goes right into the pocket of the attending police officer.
    Thais are greedy and view tourists as nothing other than walking ATM machines. From the cradle to the grave Thais are taught that all foreigners are wealthy and that scamming them is no big deal. As the Royal Marine Office Region 5 (Phuket) Chief Phuripat Theerakulpisut once stated at a high level diplomatic council of foreign Honoury Consol’s; “It doesn’t matter if a few tourists are scammed by Thais because Farang (the term is used for any foreigner as Thais simply do not have the intelligence to differentiate between different nationalities) have ‘Big Money’ and can afford it.”
    Royal Marine Office Region 5 (Phuket) Chief Phuripat Theerakulpisut thinks it’s perfectly acceptable for Thais to rip off foreign tourists.

    Obviously the Honoury Consol’s were shocked that any Government Official, especially one with so much authority, could make such an outrageous statement. This was not the first time that Chief Phuripat Theerakulpisut had made such disbarring remarks against foreigner and many of these were simply racist.
    Over the last few years the authorities have tried, without success, to curb the number of Jet Ski scams by introducing compulsory insurance for Jet Ski owners. This and all other attempts to curb the problem have failed as the Jet Ski owners continue to ignore request by the authorities due to acknowledgment that the police will back them up in any scams they implement.
    DO NOT rent a Jet Ski in Thailand – chances are you’ll get scammed.

    The Jet Ski scam is just one of many scams that the Thais use to extract money from unsuspecting tourists. This has over the years taken its toll on the number of Western foreigner now visiting the country. While the Thailand Authority of Tourism (TAT) continuously bombard the press with a rosy picture of how tourism is flourishing and growing at an unprecedented rate the hotel booking figures paint an entirely different picture.
    Thailand’s main stay of foreign tourism now no longer comes from the West but rather from Eastern countries such as China and South Korea but as the Koreans and Chinese are finding out these scams continue to grow and it is expected that unless the authorities can get the situation under control then Phuket, like other parts of Thailand will become a baron wasteland in terms of foreign tourism.
    If you have ever been scammed by a Thai then contact us and let us have your story.

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    Re: another Jet Ski scam - Pattaya Mail - Pattaya News, Communities, Opinions and much more...
    Re: another Jet Ski scam

    Friday, 10 May 2013 From Issue Vol. XXI No. 19




    Editor;
    I was saddened to read yet again about another Jet Ski scam. The writer was threatened with a 65,000 baht bill for being responsible for water entering the Jet Ski engine.
    I can only think of one suitable English reply ‘What a load of bollocks!’ The police were not interested, no surprise there, and only 4 hours later after the staff from the Hilton Hotel intervened on the tourist’s behalf the bandits went away.
    Their letter ended with, “I have been in many countries but have never met such a rude nation. The Thais seem to have no etiquettes and are money greedy to the extreme.” You hit the nail on the head buddy boy.
    The Jet Ski scandal has been going on for so long now it seems there is only one logical explanation for the powers that be, the local police and Pattaya City Hall for not having taken any positive action against these bandits that give Thailand such a bad image. And it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure it out. The … Tourism Authority of Thailand could perhaps do something about it, but don’t … (inflammatory remarks removed - Ed)
    It would be wonderful if the Thais could actually get their heads from out of the sand and realize that thinking they are the greatest doesn’t necessarily make them the greatest. Like alcoholics, unless you actually comprehend you are one and want to do something about it there is not much hope of you reforming.
    I love Thailand and having lived here for over 12 years. I would not want to live anywhere else in the world. The average Thais are wonderful people; it’s a shame some rotten apples let the side down but doesn’t every country have its fair share of rotten apples? It’s sad there are so many at the top of the barrel here!
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    Now for our non Expat member, who has been to Thailand 1 time for a 2 week holiday.
    Pull you head out of the sand Socal.
    Most of the hulls on these jet ski's, you can not repair them.
    Yes they are fibreglass, but the manufactures put a release agent in to the resin.
    So if you try to repair the damage it will not take.
    You can Gloss over it, but when you hit water, the damage will open up again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratchaburi View Post
    Now for our non Expat member, who has been to Thailand 1 time for a 2 week holiday.
    Pull you head out of the sand Socal.
    Most of the hulls on these jet ski's, you can not repair them.
    Yes they are fibreglass, but the manufactures put a release agent in to the resin.
    So if you try to repair the damage it will not take.
    You can Gloss over it, but when you hit water, the damage will open up again
    I may not be an expat, but I've probably rented jet skiis more times then 90% of the forum members combined

    So what was the point in re-hashing all those bullshit articles ?

    Who the hell said anything about hulls ?

    If you put a gash in the paint of a jet ski, it decreases the value of it. Even if it doesn't immobilize the jet ski

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    Re: another Jet Ski scam - Pattaya Mail - Pattaya News, Communities, Opinions and much more...
    Re: another Jet Ski scam

    Friday, 10 May 2013 From Issue Vol. XXI No. 19


    Editor;
    I was saddened to read yet again about another Jet Ski scam. The writer was threatened with a 65,000 baht bill for being responsible for water entering the Jet Ski engine.
    I can only think of one suitable English reply ‘What a load of bollocks!’ The police were not interested, no surprise there, and only 4 hours later after the staff from the Hilton Hotel intervened on the tourist’s behalf the bandits went away.
    Their letter ended with, “I have been in many countries but have never met such a rude nation. The Thais seem to have no etiquettes and are money greedy to the extreme.” You hit the nail on the head buddy boy.
    The Jet Ski scandal has been going on for so long now it seems there is only one logical explanation for the powers that be, the local police and Pattaya City Hall for not having taken any positive action against these bandits that give Thailand such a bad image. And it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure it out. The … Tourism Authority of Thailand could perhaps do something about it, but don’t … (inflammatory remarks removed - Ed)
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    Have you ever heard of the concept of 2 sides to every story Ratchet ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratchaburi View Post
    | The Thailand Jet Ski Scam



    One of the most popular and most widely talked about is that of the Jet Ski scam. The ruse it simple; a tourist hires a Jet Ski, has a little fun and then after returning it the Thais accuse the tourists of damaging the Jet Ski.

    Woooow what a concept. So why don't the hotels do it too then ?

    Maybe , just maybe the drunk tourists, who have never ridden anything but a bicycle, did in fact get in an accident or fall off and wreck something...

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    Yes there are 2 sides to the story & in a lot of them the people do damage but get scam for a lot more money than what it take to fix there problem.
    So it is called Jet Ski Scams

    You make 1 holiday to Thailand & now you think you know it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ratchaburi View Post
    Yes there are 2 sides to the story & in a lot of them the people do damage but get scam for a lot more money than what it take to fix there problem.
    So it is called Jet Ski Scams

    You make 1 holiday to Thailand & now you think you know it all.
    Been there 8 times

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    So your first trip to Thailand

    (When I was 23 on my first trip to Thailand)

    Now your 28 years old, 8 times in 5 years.

    You know I have only been to Thailand 5 time myself in 11 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lostandfound View Post


    She's a real sour faced bint too, by the looks of it
    She doesn't look very kind hearted...

    I'd suggest she be tied up, dressed on a short skirt and strap-on then thrown into a jacuzzi with Socal and SP for the weekend. That'd sort her out. Or, that'd sort them out. Either way, it's a win win...
    Cycling should be banned!!!

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    An intimation of intimate intimidation
    Thuggery druggery and buggery these favourite things
    Make the land of smiles fly on special wings

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bettyboo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lostandfound View Post


    She's a real sour faced bint too, by the looks of it
    She doesn't look very kind hearted...

    I'd suggest she be tied up, dressed on a short skirt and strap-on then thrown into a jacuzzi with Socal and SP for the weekend. That'd sort her out. Or, that'd sort them out. Either way, it's a win win...
    Give Socal the strap on. I doubt she needs one as much as him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by socal
    There is no extortion.
    Quote Originally Posted by socal
    That is one of the dumbest things I have ever read on this subject.
    ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by socal View Post
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    Yes there are 2 sides to the story & in a lot of them the people do damage but get scam for a lot more money than what it take to fix there problem.
    So it is called Jet Ski Scams

    You make 1 holiday to Thailand & now you think you know it all.
    Been there 8 times
    Don't you remember when Socal posted a picture showing how beautiful and clean Jomtien beach was?

    Until someone pointed out it was an entirely different beach altogether?

    I reckon socal's done a week in Nana, got knobbed by a few ladyboys, picked up a dose and went home with a sore arse, and that's probably as much as he's seen of the whole of Thailand.


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    He posts on Canadian visa as MapleSyrup

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    if you don't they don't want you

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    looks like the 'onery conzul' has flounced!
    End Phuket Corruption, Says Larry Cunningham as He Retires as Australian Consul - Phuket Wan

    Mind you it's probably more to do with having to deal with sleeveless retards than the latest shenanigans. .. Spend more time with the grand-kids.... Yeah sure.

    Ps.. in my dealings with him as a hotel manager I found him to be helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by khmen
    Bollocks. If they can afford a jetski they can afford insurance
    Of course.

    Biggest joke is they pay Burmese workers 200bt a day to fix them and charge a customer 50,000bt for an hour of the Burmese fellas time.

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