US and UK admit to overthrow of democratic Iran that led to the Shah

**socal** · 21-08-2013, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by socal

Post Shah Iran is way worse then it was under him.

Was there before and after the "revolution". Only the name of the secret police changed. Tactics remain same for any who speaks out against the regime. Torture, jail and assassination.

Hogwash
Iranians had more rights under the shah. Simple as that.

**Tom Sawyer** · 21-08-2013, 07:32 PM

Socal - we are not talking about the Iranian revolution in 1979. we are talking about a CIA and MI6 engineered coup to remove the pre-Shaw, democratically and to best of my knowledge, secularly elected government in 1953.

**socal** · 21-08-2013, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Socal - we are not talking about the Iranian revolution in 1979. we are talking about a CIA and MI6 engineered coup to remove the pre-Shaw, democratically and to best of my knowledge, secularly elected government in 1953.

More garbage.

Have any idea WHY the CIA was trying to overthrow them ? Maybe ... because they were whackjob extremists ?

They were actually more or less the same kunts that got into power after the Shah

**Norton** · 21-08-2013, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by socal

Have any idea WHY the CIA was trying to overthrow them ?

Not trying. They did overthrow the democratically elected government because the whack jobs made the mistake of nationalizing their oil. Worked so well the US and UK have been doing the same since.

**socal** · 21-08-2013, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by socal

Have any idea WHY the CIA was trying to overthrow them ?

Not trying. They did overthrow the democratically elected government because the whack jobs made the mistake of nationalizing their oil. Worked so well the US and UK have been doing the same since.

No it was because they were extremists and they were aligned with the Soviets at the time. That was a cold war win for the US. If they failed, then it would have been a Soviet installed govt instead.

**Primo** · 21-08-2013, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by socal

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by socal

Have any idea WHY the CIA was trying to overthrow them ?

Not trying. They did overthrow the democratically elected government because the whack jobs made the mistake of nationalizing their oil. Worked so well the US and UK have been doing the same since.

No it was because they were extremists and they were aligned with the Soviets at the time. That was a cold war win for the US. If they failed, then it would have been a Soviet installed govt instead.

HA HA Socal believes what the CIA told everyone...my god what a berk..

**sabang** · 21-08-2013, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by socal

Hogwash

Not much call for them in Iran.

**mao say dung** · 21-08-2013, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

But enough of celebrities (and Noam Chomsky is a national treasure)- go to a pub. Any pub. Or Speakers corner, Hyde Park, any Sunday morning. The art of invective and national criticism is alive and well in Britain. During my adult years, I've lived at various times in Oz, UK, US, HK & Thailand. From my own observation and experience, no one criticises their own country and government more than the brits. Some say it's because they have more to complain about.

You think you can't find bars where this is the case in the US? Silly.

Bertrand Russell did not spend his writing life wrinkling out every detail of every political evil his country was involved in. And he and the rest are dead.

You are missing the point altogether here sabang if you think the national whinge is equivalent to cogent radical critique of England's real international political stance and behaviour.

**sabang** · 21-08-2013, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by mao say dung

You think you can't find bars where this is the case in the US? Silly.

Can only comment on the ones I've been to (quite a few). Nope, the yanks I've encountered don't whinge as much about their gov't as the poms. Or their royalty, weather, unions, taxes etc. Mind you, post-GFC, well that may just have changed. But hey, it's one big place- theres prolly some dive bars full of pot smoking anarchists too.

Last time I was over there was not long after the invasion of Iraq, in Vegas. Oh boy- huge electronic US flag billowing on some massive billboard on the Strip, and the Paris Casino had the consideration to earnestly reassure us on it's billboard, that it was 100% American owned! (didn't see any Freedom fries though

). I quietly cringed- but truth be told, no one was talking about it at the bars and tables, that I noticed anyway. No debates in the bars, no great patriotic fervor on the streets, just the Billboards (that was a relief!). Business as usual really. Too busy making money I guess. Or losing it.

**socal** · 21-08-2013, 11:38 PM

Originally Posted by Primo

Originally Posted by socal

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by socal

Have any idea WHY the CIA was trying to overthrow them ?

Not trying. They did overthrow the democratically elected government because the whack jobs made the mistake of nationalizing their oil. Worked so well the US and UK have been doing the same since.

No it was because they were extremists and they were aligned with the Soviets at the time. That was a cold war win for the US. If they failed, then it would have been a Soviet installed govt instead.

HA HA Socal believes what the CIA told everyone...my god what a berk..

No. I believe what both the Soviets and the USA says now.
About it.

But seeing that you are all socialists, it's understandable where you stand on this. You wish the USSR won the cold war so we could be living in a great stalinist utopia now

**Primo** · 21-08-2013, 11:53 PM

Originally Posted by socal

Originally Posted by Primo

Originally Posted by socal

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by socal

Have any idea WHY the CIA was trying to overthrow them ?

Not trying. They did overthrow the democratically elected government because the whack jobs made the mistake of nationalizing their oil. Worked so well the US and UK have been doing the same since.

No it was because they were extremists and they were aligned with the Soviets at the time. That was a cold war win for the US. If they failed, then it would have been a Soviet installed govt instead.

HA HA Socal believes what the CIA told everyone...my god what a berk..

No. I believe what both the Soviets and the USA says now.
About it.

But seeing that you are all socialists, it's understandable where you stand on this. You wish the USSR won the cold war so we could be living in a great stalinist utopia now

Funny as the Soviets have said fuck all about it because it was nothing to with them, all you are repeating is the CIA cover story at the time dummy.

**Rainfall** · 22-08-2013, 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by socal

Have any idea WHY the CIA was trying to overthrow them ?

Not trying. They did overthrow the democratically elected government because the whack jobs made the mistake of nationalizing their oil. Worked so well the US and UK have been doing the same since.

Did it? Last time I looked the imperialists haven't made a penny in Iran for more time than elapsed between Mosaddegh and Khomeini. That's a country that won his freedom from the US, and even an Islamic regime is better than to be a franchise taker of the great evil.

**sabang** · 22-08-2013, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by socal

You wish the USSR won the cold war

Not really- it's one of the places US citizens can now flee to escape political persecution.

**mao say dung** · 22-08-2013, 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

No debates in the bars, no great patriotic fervor on the streets, just the Billboards (that was a relief!). Business as usual really. Too busy making money I guess. Or losing it.

You should have been in the Brit hangout pubs in Guelph Ontario while the Argy-Bargy video game was on. Patriotic nitwits to a man.

They had a Vera Lynn lookalike doing hummers to The White Cliffs of Dover.

Argy-bargy my ass. Puke.

**hazz** · 22-08-2013, 12:24 AM

^^^the british did, kind of,

At the time the UK was very dependent of Iranian oil to drive the economic recovering in the UK. The UK as shattered, more or less bankrupt and its establishment still thought they were a player the world super power game, a falacy the learned the hard way a few years later is suez.

The british were focused on maintaining very cheap supplies of oil from iran, the recovery depoended upon it and well they were prepared to do anything to keep those supplies comming in. The Iranians were rightly pissed on the grounds that they were getting a coupe of % points of what the oil was worth.
Once the sharh was reinstalled as an autocrat, that cheap oil started coming in again, though over time the situation reversed with 60%+ royalty fees and 80%+ taxes of profits....

The Americans simply did not want Iranian oil going to the russians, with Mosaddegh going a bit autocratic himself, the iranian communists agitating in the streets.... they decided there was a risk of a communist revolution.

Thus the two narrow self interests of the US and UK became aligned and iran's fate was sealed, such was the cold war. Not nice, not moral and certainly something to be ashamed about. but far from the worst things in British have done. we didn't for example take irany, settle it with dodgy white people who then went off and treated the natives like sub humans/animals sometimes even putting them in concentration camps, sorry, reservations as we did in places like america, canada, australia, new zealand etc.

**socal** · 22-08-2013, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by Primo

Originally Posted by socal

Originally Posted by Primo

Originally Posted by socal

Originally Posted by Norton

Not trying. They did overthrow the democratically elected government because the whack jobs made the mistake of nationalizing their oil. Worked so well the US and UK have been doing the same since.

No it was because they were extremists and they were aligned with the Soviets at the time. That was a cold war win for the US. If they failed, then it would have been a Soviet installed govt instead.

HA HA Socal believes what the CIA told everyone...my god what a berk..

No. I believe what both the Soviets and the USA says now.
About it.

But seeing that you are all socialists, it's understandable where you stand on this. You wish the USSR won the cold war so we could be living in a great stalinist utopia now

Funny as the Soviets have said fuck all about it because it was nothing to with them, all you are repeating is the CIA cover story at the time dummy.

It's common knowledge. I have YouTube clips...want them?

**socal** · 22-08-2013, 12:35 AM

Originally Posted by Rainfall

Originally Posted by Norton

Originally Posted by socal

Have any idea WHY the CIA was trying to overthrow them ?

Not trying. They did overthrow the democratically elected government because the whack jobs made the mistake of nationalizing their oil. Worked so well the US and UK have been doing the same since.

Did it? Last time I looked the imperialists haven't made a penny in Iran for more time than elapsed between Mosaddegh and Khomeini. That's a country that won his freedom from the US, and even an Islamic regime is better than to be a franchise taker of the great evil.

Won its freedom ha ha ha. There was more freedom under the shah. It's just a fact. Not an opinion. But being a socialist, you don't even know what freedom is.

**socal** · 22-08-2013, 12:37 AM

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by socal

You wish the USSR won the cold war

Not really- it's one of the places US citizens can now flee to escape political persecution.

Yeah because the socialist mentality creeped into the US and destroyed it.

**Primo** · 22-08-2013, 12:41 AM

Originally Posted by hazz

The Americans simply did not want Iranian oil going to the russians, with Mosaddegh going a bit autocratic himself, the iranian communists agitating in the streets.... they decided there was a risk of a communist revolution.

The communist stuff was part of the CIA cover story..it was not true..made up..lies.

**Primo** · 22-08-2013, 12:47 AM

Originally Posted by socal

Originally Posted by Primo

Originally Posted by socal

Originally Posted by Primo

Originally Posted by socal

No it was because they were extremists and they were aligned with the Soviets at the time. That was a cold war win for the US. If they failed, then it would have been a Soviet installed govt instead.

HA HA Socal believes what the CIA told everyone...my god what a berk..

No. I believe what both the Soviets and the USA says now.
About it.

But seeing that you are all socialists, it's understandable where you stand on this. You wish the USSR won the cold war so we could be living in a great stalinist utopia now

Funny as the Soviets have said fuck all about it because it was nothing to with them, all you are repeating is the CIA cover story at the time dummy.

It's common knowledge. I have YouTube clips...want them?

Its not common knowledge at all, you are talking shit as usual and I do not need your stupid youtube videos, I have 3 books on the subject.

**Rainfall** · 22-08-2013, 10:47 AM

Originally Posted by socal

Won its freedom ha ha ha. There was more freedom under the shah. It's just a fact. Not an opinion. But being a socialist, you don't even know what freedom is.

Actually I do, and it has little to do with politics. It's absence of pain, betrayal, scams, responsibilities forced upon you, sorrows about the future, lack of security, this sort of stuff. I enjoyed so much more freedom, you can't even begin to appreciate it.

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