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Murdered SA man`s son disappears - News - Jacaranda FM
Murdered SA man's son disappears
07 October 2012 - 13:34
By Sapa
The family of a South African man who was allegedly murdered by his estranged wife and her brother have expressed concern over the disappearance of his three-year old son.
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The Bangkok Post newspaper on Sunday reported that Oswald Heinrich Duvel's younger brother Hercules Duvel had said at a press conference on Saturday afternoon that the whereabouts of Duvel's three-year-old son was unknown even to police.
"Our concern is the wellbeing of his precious son. We pray that he is well. We offer to care for him and provide for him."
The bullet riddled body of Duvel, 50, was found last Sunday next to a partially completed grave in the foothills of Saraburi province, north of Thailand's capital city of Bangkok. He was wearing only his underpants and a wristwatch.
On Thursday Thai police chief Lt-Gen Nares Nanphathote told Sapa that Duvel's ex-wife Karachin Duvel had confessed to the murder.
Hercules Duvel, 49, was quoted by the Bangkok Post as saying: "We don't know where he [the boy] is. Even the police don't know," Mr Duvel said.
He said the safety of the boy was the primary concern for him and his family.
The newspaper also quoted him as saying: "We are seeking court advice for a child adoption plan."
In a statement read out at the press conference, Duvel's brother said: “We are all heartbroken and shocked by the death of our father, brother, partner and friend, Oswald.
"We cannot put in words the sorrow we feel."
Referring to allegations reported in the Thai media that Duvel's ex-wife had abused his son, Hercules Duvel said: "It is only natural that the accused will come up with anything to defend themselves.
"The allegations of the accused while understandable are also completely unfounded. They are fighting for their lives. They need to find and propose a justification for this senseless killing."
Duvel, who was born and raised in Piet Retief, had been involved in an ongoing custody battle with his ex-wife in the Thai courts.
Nanphathote said his information was that the ex-wife had invited him to sit in her Toyota Fortuner with her mother to discuss a custody agreement.
Unbeknown to Duvel, a third person was lying behind the back seat and as they talked, he fired the three fatal shots.
Nanphathote described the man as the "new husband", but various Thai media reports have described him as being the ex-wife's brother, half brother or adopted brother. He has been identified as Surasith Pacchathepmonkol.
Hercules Duvel praised the swift work of the Thai police, but urged the media to "allow the Thai police to complete the investigation and also give the prosecutor and their defence a chance to a fair trial and find justice for Oswald, his son, his family and his friends."
Comment could not immediately obtained from the Department of International Relations and Co-operation as to whether Duvel had obtained South African citizenship or his son, who was born in Thailand.
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Family of slain man voice concern over son, 3 - The Nation
Family of slain man voice concern over son, 3
Jim Pollard//The Nation October 7, 2012 6:10 pm
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Dr Hercules Duvel
The family of a South African man shot dead in Thailand last week voiced concern yesterday over the well-being of his dead brother's young son.
Dr Hercules Duvel, a doctor who lives in Australia, said he feared for the safety of his three-year-old nephew, after the slaying of the boy's father, his brother Oswald, a week ago.
Oswald Duvel's body was found in Saraburi last Sunday. His former wife Kacharin and her half-brother Surasith Panchathepmonkol were charged by police on Friday, and made to re-enact their crime, after confessing that they lured Duvel into a car and shot him several times.
Kacharin and Duvel had been involved in a court fight for custody of their son. With the boy's mother, uncle and grandmother arrested over the slaying of Duvel, police believe the mother's relatives are caring for the boy.
But the victims' family say they have no idea where the boy is, and it looked yesterday that the police weren't sure about the boy's exact whereabouts either.
Dr Duvel spoke at a press conference at the Sheraton Grande Hotel on Saturday to strongly deny allegations by the accused that Oswald had mistreated his wife and son, and not provided them with an income.
"We are very concerned about his son. We are hoping to see him before we return [to Australia and his sisters to South Africa]," he said.
"We would love to take care of his son. But we would take advice from the courts on what would be best for his precious son. We'll have to wait for what the courts say is best."
"He loved his son and would have laid down his life for him... He never raised his voice to him. He would in no way harm the child."
Dr Duvel, 49, praised the Thai police for the swift arrests of his brother's killers.
He described his older brother as his hero, and said that as the eldest child he had always stood up for him and his four sisters.
"I have lost my parents but when I heard about his death, this was a pain I'd never felt before. It was horrible. I wish he could be here today."
Claims he did not support his former wife were untrue, as his brother was paying well over what the court asked him to provide to his former wife, he said, despite regularly being denied access to his boy.
as long as the whereabouts of the son are unknown, there is no alimony to pay?
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Tell me how do you get alimony from a dead man!!!!! Feckin wise up...
I am sure the poor boy will reappear miraculously when enough money is shown.
Sickening.
I just wish he could be taken away from all the shit that is now whirling around him.
Alimony is not child support, tingTong...
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At least he's only 3, and so long as they get him quickish and start programming some good shit into his head he'll be fine (as he could be after horrendous shit like this).
He will reappear, once some money has changed hands....he is a prize worth something to these people who are just animals.
Mark my words. It makes me sick to my stomach.
ok, then child support - its to be paid from his legacy...(?)
who does have now custody over him?
probably custody isnt "passed on" (relatives etc)...
and someone must have (legally)... thailand? as he was a thai citizen only?
whoever does have legal custody, now the person who physically cares for him, will be paid... but not while he is kidnapped...
so boy not there, no money...
no claim for the legacy, no child support...
most likely the boy wants to stay with the family he is used to and knows...
^ are you American :)
me? sorry, if google-translate doesnt get it always right - or british...
The son has disappeared as he is worth money to this family.
They could argue until the cows come home who is the rightful guardian.. Father murdered, mother in jail for murder along with the uncle who pulled the trigger and the Grandmother is the accomplice.
The courts will have to come to a decision in the best interests of the boy (I am not saying that will happen in Thailand) but from what the courts have seen this family should be unacceptable as guardians due to the circumstances.
i dont think so, some will be convicted, others not... and those who were not, are still in the race for custody (?) and thats - the grandmother...
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So anyone with a different opinion is a Moron? It seems you display the same closed mindedness and lack of tolerance you condemn the entire Thai Nation with.Quote:
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the whole story doesnt add up anyway... he was shot in the body from front, and then in the head from behind...
why there is a hole in the windscreen on the driver side is also unexplained...
so what does this "state witness" say what exactly happened in the car?
she was sitting in it, after all...
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A moron is someone like you, too stupid to connect a set of facts.
A 'tug-of-love' with deadly consequences | Bangkok Post: news
A 'tug-of-love' with deadly consequences
Oswald Duvel wound up half-naked and shot to death on the side of a road near Bangkok. It was an ignominious fate for a well-liked and respected businessman _ and an end that those closest to him say came about thanks to his devotion to his son and determination to be a part of his life
- Published: 21/10/2012 at 02:45 AM
- Newspaper section: Spectrum
Fifty-year-old South African businessman Oswald Duvel was highly respected, intelligent, generous, successful and well liked by the many friends he'd made in Thailand.
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LOOKING FOR ANSWERS:Hercules Duvel with his son after the press conference in Bangkok.
To those who knew him, his life should never have ended the way it did. His burly body was discovered next to a partially dug grave in the foothills of Saraburi province 80km north of Bangkok on Sept 30. He was wearing only his underpants and a wristwatch and had been killed by three shots to the back of the head.
Police believe his execution was carried out by his former wife, Karachin Duvel, her ''half brother'' Surasith Panchathepmongkol and Duvel's mother-in-law, Woraporn Panchathepmongkol, who friends allege played a key role in the murder.
''When he was first with Karachin he said things were good, even great sometimes,'' said a close friend of Duvel's who used the pseudonym Peter.
''But whenever he got back from travelling for work and she had been with the mother-in-law things would turn to sh*t.''
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SADDENED SIBLING: Hercules Duvel at a press conference in Bangkok on Sept 30 in which he defended his slain brother.
Duvel's brother Hercules told Spectrum via email that his brother provided well for Ms Karachin and her family ''even beyond what was agreed upon''.
''To me it appeared to be about money right from the start, however Oswald cared for them and would not hear any negative remarks like that.''
Hercules said the requests for money from Ms Karachin and her family were frequent ''I'm not sure who was the motivator behind the repeated requests for money,'' he said. ''Tan [Karachin] used to send me text messages accusing my brother of arguing with her and her mum. This was verified by Oswald not to be the case. Oswald was not someone who even raised his voice.''
Police say that the mother-in-law will now turn prosecution witness against her own daughter and Mr Surasith, the alleged shooter. And Pun, the three-year-old boy who was at the centre of a bitter custody dispute between Duvel and Ms Karachin and her family, is now reportedly in the care of his mother, who is out on bail, and Ms Woraporn at their Rangsit home.
Peter believes that it was Duvel's love of Pun, and his frustration at the boy's mother and grandmother blocking access visits that led to the South African being lured to the fatal ambush. Peter said he spoke to Duvel on Sept 28 about his plans to pick up Pun the next day for an access visit.
He said there was ''no way'' Duvel would have gotten into a vehicle if another man had been there as the South African had earlier been attacked by three men in the Rangsit area after an access visit. According to police re-enactments, Duvel was sitting in the back seat of a Toyota Fortuner 4WD next to Ms Karachin when Mr Surasith popped up from the behind the seat and shot him in the head. Mrs Woraporn was sitting in the front seat of the vehicle.
Peter believes the killing was poorly thought out. ''They committed a murder in their own car. He was worth more to them alive than dead.''
THE QUIET ACHIEVER
Duvel was born and raised in the picturesque town of Piet Retief in the timber growing region of Mpumalanga province in South Africa.
His brother Hercules, one year younger than Oswald, remembers growing up in a stable and loving home with their parents and four sisters. ''We took family vacations together, usually to the beach where we enjoyed countless hours of fun and play,'' Hercules told Spectrum via email.
Hercules says that his brother had an easygoing nature, even as a youngster. ''Oswald seemed to be the one who did not sweat the little things since childhood,'' he said. ''Oswald never [sought] any undue attention. He was more reserved as a child.
''My father trusted Oswald from an early age with responsibilities because he could.''
Those same traits would seem to have carried over into adulthood. Oswald had travelled the world extensively working as a processing engineer and consultant to large multinationals.
Based in Thailand, he worked for the South African company CCI and the platform they developed _ TRACC _ helped companies in countries as far-flung as China and Indonesia improve their operational practices.
''He always knew that the way to make great improvements to business was to engage people and get them to want to improve things and to use a structured approach to figure out how to do that,'' wrote Barry Elliott from the Institute of Management Consultants Thailand in a tribute to Duvel published in the Bangkok Post.
''He always knew the way was to educate people in new concepts and principles and to coach them on how to implement them.''
Mr Elliott said: ''Oswald introduced to this part of the world a fresh approach to improving a key link in supply chain management, namely production. In so doing, he brought an enlightened way to improving the way people do things in many production operations across Asia.''
Another friend, bar owner Keith Hancock, in an online tribute said Duvel had lived through some of South Africa's darkest days.
''He saw violence and stood against it,'' wrote Mr Hancock. ''He went to university in Pretoria at a time when Pretoria was never out of the news. He went on to build, with his partners, an incredibly successful company offering management training and advice to businesses all over the world.''
His friend Peter said Duvel had ''earned his quid'' working for companies like BP and Castrol which had taken him around the world.
''He'd been everywhere,'' Peter said. ''We used to play a drinking game where you'd have to guess a place he hadn't been. If you lost you'd have to skull a drink. He almost always won.''
Socially, Duvel was drawn to the camaraderie of the close-knit members of the Siam Cricket Club and his company was the major sponsor of its cricket team, the Parrots.
After Duvel's cremation service on Oct 7, which was attended by Hercules and two of his four sisters who flew in from South Africa, the club held a wake and floated the idea of making him honorary patron.
''The events of the past week have been massive for everyone who was associated with Oswald in the Parrots,'' the club said on a tribute posted on its website. ''We have lost someone so very dear to us, and of course he will always be remembered by all whose life he came into contact with.''
MAD ABOUT THE BOY
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FATHER: Murdered businessman Oswald Duvel.
As Duvel's relationship with Ms Karachin deteriorated one thing became important to him and that was the welfare of Pun, their son, and what would happen to him if his father was no longer around.
Peter said the only time he ever saw the usually reserved Duvel ''a bit stressed'' was when his ex-wife's family denied him access to Pun, which they would sometimes do for months on end.
Various reports stating that Duvel had won custody of Pun could not be confirmed by Spectrum. An official from the Pathum Thani Family Court said the case had been settled via negotiation before Duvel's murder. He declined to say whether either party had been granted sole custody.
According to Peter, the couple's divorce was finalised on Sept 3 with a 30-day cooling off period to follow.
Thai media reports said the couple had separated but not divorced. A legal adviser at the Family Court said that under such circumstances they would normally share custody of the child.
Mr Hancock said that a few weeks before his murder Duvel, who had a new partner, Beam, seemed happy and relaxed as he sat in his bar. He said Duvel told him he had won custody of Pun and was planning a new future.
''I warned him that his ex would not take defeat lightly, my exact words to him were, 'Take Pun and Beam and leave Thailand, at least for a while'. He thought I was being overdramatic,'' said Mr Hancock.
Both Mr Hancock and Peter said Duvel had ''done the honourable thing'' in going through the Thai courts and meeting his child support commitments.
''Every month he gave them 20,000 baht, but it was more likely to be 30-40,000 baht to care for the boy,'' said Peter, who added Duvel had set up his ex-wife in a noodle restaurant.
After their arrest, the three murder suspects told the Thai media that Duvel was abusive to his ex-wife and son.
Peter said that during the Family Court hearings Ms Karachin's side produced a ''patsy'' who testified Duvel had held his son over a pot of boiling water. However, when asked to point out Duvel in court he could not identify him or say where the purported incident took place. His testimony was dismissed.
Peter added that Duvel had only ever expressed praise for the Family Court and its officers, saying it had never shown bias because he was a non-Thai and always made the welfare of the child their main priority.
But even though he had access to the boy, Ms Karachin was making life difficult for him. Peter said that when Duvel travelled to Rangsit on a Saturday to pick Pun up he was often given a specious excuse as to why he couldn't see his son.
''They'd say you can come and see him, but every time they'd make up some bullsh*t story so he couldn't see him, like the little boy was in hospital,'' said Peter.
''But they'd say 'Can we have more money?' They knew they had the trump card.
''He'd say 'I love that little kid, I've got to see him.'''
MESSY BUSINESS
Duvel isn't the first foreigner to come to Thailand, meet a local woman and find himself in a bitter custody battle.
But statistics are impossible to obtain as the juvenile and family courts say the information is classified and individual case files are not accessible.
The Juvenile Observation and Protection Department, which reports to the courts, said last year there were a total of 3,045 divorce cases involving custody disputes over minors nationwide.
Duvel's family are now greatly concerned for the welfare of Pun. When they visited Thailand earlier this month police could not even confirm the boy's whereabouts.
''I do not know where Pun is,'' Hercules Duvel told Spectrum. ''I hope he is well ... In the pictures he looks to be a friendly and spirited boy. I shall be happy to care for him in our home should that be asked for. The courts will be deciding what is best for him.''
Hercules Duvel, who lives in Australia, also went to lengths to try and clear his brother's name of the abuse allegations.
''It is only natural that the accused will come up with anything to defend themselves,'' he said. ''The allegations of the accused while understandable are also completely unfounded. They are fighting for their lives. They need to find and propose a justification for this senseless killing.''
Peter said that his friend had once asked him to to always keep an eye out for Pun.
''Please, if anything happens to me I don't want my boy selling fruit on the street,'' he told Peter. ''You've got to take the boy and give him a life.''
Peter added that ''Oswald was a bit soft, but he was nobody's fool.''
And therein lies the damn problem, the ringleader and mastermind of the murder is ther MIL, by her own confession and by the confessions of the others.
But for some reason she's out on bail because she's agreed to turn State witness against the others. (Why do you need a state witness when they have all confessed already9?) And she has custody of Pun. (Actually nobody knows where he is... allegedly).
The worst if all this is that the bitch wife and MiL will win afterall. Even if Bun turns up the thai court is unlikely to hand him over to a foreign uncle IMO. As for the sentences, I wonder if the wife gets his insurance money and uses that to pay off the courts.
in a normal country, they would all be convicted, even the MIL... as a state witness, im not sure if she can evade all charges... they were all supporting a crime...
in this case, the wife wont inherit anything, but surely the boy will inherit money from his father (50%)...
i also dont believe, that this family would get custody of the boy... close relatives, as aunts and uncles may be considered...