Thread: American Private School Teacher accused of sex with minors at his East Pattaya home

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

So why were the boys going back to his house, if his unsavoury reputation was known already, and they knew he was likely to molest them?

Christ almighty, another one.
Why don't you and lostandfound start a club. (boys only).

Why does it seem most paedos are gay?

But according to your oddball logic, if he was being sucked off by a boy, then he wouldn't be gay. That it would only be gay if their balls touched.

Or are your homespun aphorisms to be thrown away after use, like yesterdays diapers?

Ah, so it doesn't matter to you that it's children he's corrupting?

You're going to focus on semantics?

The offence is that he is accused of child abuse.

You and Socal are the ones complaining about him being 'gay', and yet you two appear to be the most confused not only about homosexuality in general, but of your own respective expression of it. A case of the pot calling the kettle black methinks.

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

So why were the boys going back to his house, if his unsavoury reputation was known already, and they knew he was likely to molest them?

Christ almighty, another one.
Why don't you and lostandfound start a club. (boys only).

Why does it seem most paedos are gay?

But according to your oddball logic, if he was being sucked off by a boy, then he wouldn't be gay. That it would only be gay if their balls touched.

Or are your homespun aphorisms to be thrown away after use, like yesterdays diapers?

Ah, so it doesn't matter to you that it's children he's corrupting?

You're going to focus on semantics?

The offence is that he is accused of child abuse.

You and Socal are the ones complaining about him being 'gay', and yet you two appear to be the most confused not only about homosexuality in general, but of your own respective expression of it. A case of the pot calling the kettle black methinks.

I'm not 'complaining' about him being gay.
Just making an observation that it seems in the majority of reports of people being found to be molesting minors it seems to be boys who are being molested.
Would you disagree?
Why so defensive?

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

Originally Posted by Koojo

Christ almighty, another one.
Why don't you and lostandfound start a club. (boys only).

Why does it seem most paedos are gay?

But according to your oddball logic, if he was being sucked off by a boy, then he wouldn't be gay. That it would only be gay if their balls touched.

Or are your homespun aphorisms to be thrown away after use, like yesterdays diapers?

Ah, so it doesn't matter to you that it's children he's corrupting?

You're going to focus on semantics?

The offence is that he is accused of child abuse.

You and Socal are the ones complaining about him being 'gay', and yet you two appear to be the most confused not only about homosexuality in general, but of your own respective expression of it. A case of the pot calling the kettle black methinks.

I'm not 'complaining' about him being gay.
Just making an observation that it seems in the majority of reports of people being found to be molesting minors it seems to be boys who are being molested.
Would you disagree?
Why so defensive?

Yes I agree. The majority of reports (we see) are of that nature. It could be because of the structure of Pattaya, or the proclivities of male expat residents settling in Thailand.

However, in Asia, the bigger problem is of female children being exploited, trafficked and sold into brothels. Not such a sensationalized story, so less reported perhaps.

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

But according to your oddball logic, if he was being sucked off by a boy, then he wouldn't be gay. That it would only be gay if their balls touched.

Or are your homespun aphorisms to be thrown away after use, like yesterdays diapers?

Ah, so it doesn't matter to you that it's children he's corrupting?

You're going to focus on semantics?

The offence is that he is accused of child abuse.

You and Socal are the ones complaining about him being 'gay', and yet you two appear to be the most confused not only about homosexuality in general, but of your own respective expression of it. A case of the pot calling the kettle black methinks.

I'm not 'complaining' about him being gay.
Just making an observation that it seems in the majority of reports of people being found to be molesting minors it seems to be boys who are being molested.
Would you disagree?
Why so defensive?

Yes I agree. The majority of reports (we see) are of that nature. It could be because of the structure of Pattaya, or the proclivities of male expat residents settling in Thailand.

However, in Asia, the bigger problem is of female children being exploited, trafficked and sold into brothels. Not such a sensationalized story, so less reported perhaps.

Agreed, and an utter scourge here in China.

Originally Posted by sincerecynic

Amazon777 I was at the school meeting and absolutely no further detail came out of it. We were only infomed that he had been arrested and that as an American citizen 2 FBI Agents were also involved in the investigation. The police and the FBI agents visited the school and removed a computer and video camera from his classroom. The FBI agents confirmed that he had no criminal record in the US. He has also taught at St Andrews and Regents. The only thing that I can imagine agitating your wife was the bloody irritating Indian parents trying to take over the meeting.
There was no mention at the meeting of any incriminating evidence being found.

As I wrote, I wasn't there, can only rely on what my wife told me.

But one of the things that got her so upset was the fact, that the Indians did ask some serious questions, but have been brushed off - by, what she thinks, was a majority of parents, who are teachers/ relatives of teachers at the school.

Saying that the Guy was suuuuuch a good colleague/ teacher and arguing that what he did on his weekends in Pattaya is his own private thing is a big no-no in my book.

I'm paying in excess of 400.000 Baht / year per kid to have staff promising that from now on (!) they will check applicants police record for the time before they came to Thailand.

It makes me wanna scream!

^ Except the FBI boys said he had no criminal record in the US, so what good would that do?

^Another advantage of being from that Country with the manic intrusive Government, you get the privilege of knowing that even if you beat the charge in a Thai Court, you'll face it again when you get home.

Any Teacher,Coach or Guardian of young children has to be seen to be above board as well as actually being above board.
Many with these control tendencies seek out positions where they have access to susceptible young kids.
So easy for an innocent well meaning adult to be accused of wrong doing but in saying this if this guy has gear around his house re child sex then the odds are he is bent.
Any bastard who does this creates suspicion on others in the community who are entrusted with childrens welfare.

Amazon777 You have been misinformed. I'm a parent and have no reason to defend the school but as far as I'm concerned, and I'm sure I speak for the majority of the parents there, the school demonstrated that they had done all the background checks that they could have and there were no indications in in Mr Miller's behavior that indicated he was a sex offender. Even the FBI agents said the school could not have done any more. However there were individuals there determined to apportion blame but adding nothing constructive.

^ You may be correct, he had no criminal record and even if he had problems at a prior school in the USA and resigned under a cloud, that school would likely not tell anyone about it for fear of civil liability. Most American employers will only verify dates of employment and have written policies that nothing else be said.

^The 20 or so international schools of which I am Governor in Hong Kong have just introduced vetting of this kind and background checks. Bit late I suppose, but better late than never.

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

It could be because of the structure of Pattaya, or the proclivities of male expat residents settling in Thailand.

Nothing to do with the fact that Pattaya is situated on the Eastern Seaboard in close proximity to 3 massive Industrial Estates along with 2 major Petrochemical plants hey Moog?

Males who stay here on tourist visas and have to do periodic visa runs cannot be considered residents.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

^ Except the FBI boys said he had no criminal record in the US, so what good would that do?

So Thailand and the US are the only countries existing on earth...
Let me guess: You are Amercian with a Thai wife.

And it is beside the point anyway.
Only the pestering by a lot of agitated Indians turned that whitewash session into a real parents teacher meeting and revealed that the school didn't do background checks on any of their staff prior to their time in Thailand.

Knowing that Thailand is a bit of heaven for this kind of people, I would have considered that due diligence.

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

It could be because of the structure of Pattaya, or the proclivities of male expat residents settling in Thailand.

Nothing to do with the fact that Pattaya is situated on the Eastern Seaboard in close proximity to 3 massive Industrial Estates along with 2 major Petrochemical plants hey Moog?

Males who stay here on tourist visas and have to do periodic visa runs cannot be considered residents.

Can't see how petrochemical facilities would be a catalyst, can you elaborate?

Could be because Pattaya has a few English language media outlets that seem to look for stories like this.

There's likely more child abuse in upcountry brothels that cater to locals and are owned by Police. However, there isn't the media coverage or focus there.

Originally Posted by amazon777

and revealed that the school didn't do background checks on any of their staff prior to their time in Thailand.

Please read my post above about a top international school.

This procedure does not stop everything but does help.

Hey Harry,
no need for name calling.
But then, I called you an American knowing you aren't.
That's probably worse, sorry about that.

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

Can't see how petrochemical facilities would be a catalyst, can you elaborate

Foreign males who work at these type of facilities Moog and those that reside here legally based upon normally a 3-5 year work permit/ contract.

Originally Posted by hillbilly

Originally Posted by amazon777

and revealed that the school didn't do background checks on any of their staff prior to their time in Thailand.

Please read my post above about a top international school.

This procedure does not stop everything but does help.

This is exactly what I'm talking about.
The checks, that according to your post would have barred such guy from being employed at a "top" school have not been done (properly).
Considering what they are charging a bad lapse.

Let me add, that I have never had problems with the school and I all kids I know of (extended family, employees, etc.) at the school are very, very happy there.
But still, makes you wonder...

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

Can't see how petrochemical facilities would be a catalyst, can you elaborate

Foreign males who work at these type of facilities Moog and those that reside here legally based upon normally a 3-5 year work permit/ contract.

Ok, but the original point was (by Koojo), why do we see so many stories of this kind?

I'm saying it's because of the style of the Pattaya media to look for these specific stories, and the type of person who settles there - because of the way Pattaya is leisure-oriented.

I wasn't aware of such stories about petrochemical workers, (but if there are I stand corrected). The usual people being reported by Pattaya media are pensioners, teachers and Tim 'Sharky-the Shark Man' Ward.

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

Jesus Christ, has anyone got any kids there?

I don't believe JC had any children.

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

Ok, but the original point was (by Koojo), why do we see so many stories of this kind?

I think there's been plenty of evidence of paedophile networks existing, even to the point of people *organising* paedophile tours.

For every one they catch, you can guarantee there are others still operating under the radar, and Pattaya's general reputation as a city of sleaze probably does its fair share to act as a magnet for these kind of perverts.

Sad but true.

However, I completely agree that this is probably gets a disproportionate amount of publicity in comparison with what the Thais and other Asians get up to with disgusting impunity.