The offence is that he is accused of child abuse.
You and Socal are the ones complaining about him being 'gay', and yet you two appear to be the most confused not only about homosexuality in general, but of your own respective expression of it. A case of the pot calling the kettle black methinks.
Yes I agree. The majority of reports (we see) are of that nature. It could be because of the structure of Pattaya, or the proclivities of male expat residents settling in Thailand.
However, in Asia, the bigger problem is of female children being exploited, trafficked and sold into brothels. Not such a sensationalized story, so less reported perhaps.
As I wrote, I wasn't there, can only rely on what my wife told me.
But one of the things that got her so upset was the fact, that the Indians did ask some serious questions, but have been brushed off - by, what she thinks, was a majority of parents, who are teachers/ relatives of teachers at the school.
Saying that the Guy was suuuuuch a good colleague/ teacher and arguing that what he did on his weekends in Pattaya is his own private thing is a big no-no in my book.
I'm paying in excess of 400.000 Baht / year per kid to have staff promising that from now on (!) they will check applicants police record for the time before they came to Thailand.
It makes me wanna scream!
^ Except the FBI boys said he had no criminal record in the US, so what good would that do?
^Another advantage of being from that Country with the manic intrusive Government, you get the privilege of knowing that even if you beat the charge in a Thai Court, you'll face it again when you get home.
Any Teacher,Coach or Guardian of young children has to be seen to be above board as well as actually being above board.
Many with these control tendencies seek out positions where they have access to susceptible young kids.
So easy for an innocent well meaning adult to be accused of wrong doing but in saying this if this guy has gear around his house re child sex then the odds are he is bent.
Any bastard who does this creates suspicion on others in the community who are entrusted with childrens welfare.
Amazon777 You have been misinformed. I'm a parent and have no reason to defend the school but as far as I'm concerned, and I'm sure I speak for the majority of the parents there, the school demonstrated that they had done all the background checks that they could have and there were no indications in in Mr Miller's behavior that indicated he was a sex offender. Even the FBI agents said the school could not have done any more. However there were individuals there determined to apportion blame but adding nothing constructive.
^ You may be correct, he had no criminal record and even if he had problems at a prior school in the USA and resigned under a cloud, that school would likely not tell anyone about it for fear of civil liability. Most American employers will only verify dates of employment and have written policies that nothing else be said.
I have lived and worked as an international teacher in one of the top schools in Thailand for almost 15 years.
We undergo numerous checks every year. Do some teachers slip under the radar? Yes, a few have been dismissed for a variety of actions.
Regardless, this teacher in the news had taught ESL for many years and then taught at many lower tier international schools. This type of teacher would never be allowed in the top schools.
This type of reported behavior can be find anywhere regardless of being qualified or not. However, the top international schools try to avoid this.
Personally speaking, after a hard day of teaching the last thing that I want is my students at my home...
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^The 20 or so international schools of which I am Governor in Hong Kong have just introduced vetting of this kind and background checks. Bit late I suppose, but better late than never.
Nothing to do with the fact that Pattaya is situated on the Eastern Seaboard in close proximity to 3 massive Industrial Estates along with 2 major Petrochemical plants hey Moog?Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog
Males who stay here on tourist visas and have to do periodic visa runs cannot be considered residents.
So Thailand and the US are the only countries existing on earth...
Let me guess: You are Amercian with a Thai wife.
And it is beside the point anyway.
Only the pestering by a lot of agitated Indians turned that whitewash session into a real parents teacher meeting and revealed that the school didn't do background checks on any of their staff prior to their time in Thailand.
Knowing that Thailand is a bit of heaven for this kind of people, I would have considered that due diligence.
Can't see how petrochemical facilities would be a catalyst, can you elaborate?
Could be because Pattaya has a few English language media outlets that seem to look for stories like this.
There's likely more child abuse in upcountry brothels that cater to locals and are owned by Police. However, there isn't the media coverage or focus there.
Of course I'm not American, and I don't have a Thai wife, you presumptuous twat.
My point is that no amount of checking is going to reveal a conviction that doesn't exist.
What no-one has mentioned is that, if he taught at others schools and left under a cloud, is there no mechanism for that information to be shared, or would schools rather brush it under the carpet? Shame on them if they do, allowing such people to go unpunished and re-offend.
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Hey Harry,
no need for name calling.
But then, I called you an American knowing you aren't.
That's probably worse, sorry about that.
Foreign males who work at these type of facilities Moog and those that reside here legally based upon normally a 3-5 year work permit/ contract.Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog
This is exactly what I'm talking about.
The checks, that according to your post would have barred such guy from being employed at a "top" school have not been done (properly).
Considering what they are charging a bad lapse.
Let me add, that I have never had problems with the school and I all kids I know of (extended family, employees, etc.) at the school are very, very happy there.
But still, makes you wonder...
Ok, but the original point was (by Koojo), why do we see so many stories of this kind?
I'm saying it's because of the style of the Pattaya media to look for these specific stories, and the type of person who settles there - because of the way Pattaya is leisure-oriented.
I wasn't aware of such stories about petrochemical workers, (but if there are I stand corrected). The usual people being reported by Pattaya media are pensioners, teachers and Tim 'Sharky-the Shark Man' Ward.
I think there's been plenty of evidence of paedophile networks existing, even to the point of people *organising* paedophile tours.
For every one they catch, you can guarantee there are others still operating under the radar, and Pattaya's general reputation as a city of sleaze probably does its fair share to act as a magnet for these kind of perverts.
Sad but true.
However, I completely agree that this is probably gets a disproportionate amount of publicity in comparison with what the Thais and other Asians get up to with disgusting impunity.
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