Thread: American Private School Teacher accused of sex with minors at his East Pattaya home

Originally Posted by nidhogg

The only single thing that any of us can take away from this is simple: Don't be alone with kids without another adult present under any circumstances.

Too extreme (though it will play well to omniphobicTeakdoor readers )

If one isn't malevolently inclined, there is an infinitely small chance of any misaccusation.

And taken logically, one's own kids are just as capable as any others of reporting a parent for hitting or interfering with them (whether true, or concocted - just to be resentful at some expression of parental authority), so extending the point - one couldn't be alone with them either.

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

Originally Posted by nidhogg

The only single thing that any of us can take away from this is simple: Don't be alone with kids without another adult present under any circumstances.

Too extreme (though it will play well to omniphobicTeakdoor readers )

If one isn't malevolently inclined, there is an infinitely small chance of any misaccusation.

Tell that to the subject of this thread.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

Originally Posted by nidhogg

The only single thing that any of us can take away from this is simple: Don't be alone with kids without another adult present under any circumstances.

Too extreme (though it will play well to omniphobicTeakdoor readers )

If one isn't malevolently inclined, there is an infinitely small chance of any misaccusation.

Tell that to the subject of this thread.

Fine. One in - what - say 5000 chance of being vilified and accused of something you haven't done.

One in ten chance of being accused of something you have done.

Game theory would imply that the highest probability of not being accused, is not to be guilty of the offence in the first place. If you haven't done anything wrong, you need not live like a hermit, apprehensive of a false-accusation.

Eg. Good Samaritans need not shun their sense of empathy if they see an injured/raped/stricken child by the side of the road - pick them up and take them to hospital, don't just walk past for fear of some contingent liability.

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

Originally Posted by nidhogg

The only single thing that any of us can take away from this is simple: Don't be alone with kids without another adult present under any circumstances.

Too extreme (though it will play well to omniphobicTeakdoor readers )

If one isn't malevolently inclined, there is an infinitely small chance of any misaccusation.

Tell that to the subject of this thread.

Fine. One in - what - say 5000 chance of being vilified and accused of something you haven't done.

One in ten chance of being accused of something you have done.

Game theory would imply that the best way of not being accused, is not to be guilty of the offence in the first place. If you haven't done anything wrong, you need not live like a hermit, apprehensive of a false-accusation.

Oh! game theory. Thats all right then. Will all you police officers get out of my house - Moog says by game theory you can all just f*ck off.

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

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Eg. Good Samaritans need not shun their sense of empathy if they see an injured/raped/stricken child by the side of the road - pick them up and take them to hospital, don't just walk past for fear of some contingent liability.

And nobody has suggested that. Reductio ad absurdum seems to be your forte. Teach you that in journalism school do they?


Simple point is, the guy apparently repeatedly had children alone in his house. Its a stupid move at best - if you can't see that, I feel sorry for you.

May I remind you of your reductio ad absurdam solution for all citizens of the world. (Clearly your forte too)

'The only single thing that any of us can take away from this is simple: Don't be alone with kids without another adult present under any circumstances.'

Explain to me how that isn't 'reductio ad absurdam'.

Unequivocal, yet unworkable. Before replying, just pause and meditate on what you've asked people to do.

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

May I remind you of your reductio ad absurdam solution for all citizens of the world. (Clearly your forte too)

'The only single thing that any of us can take away from this is simple: Don't be alone with kids without another adult present under any circumstances.'

Explain to me how that isn't 'reductio ad absurdam'.

Unequivocal, yet unworkable. Before replying, just pause and meditate on what you've asked people to do.

Alright. Point taken.


I personally, will try to make sure that I do not get into situations where my intentions could be misconstrued with regards to contact with children.


Fair enough?.

When my older kids started violin lessons, the tutor refused to take on new students unless the parents or another adult attended the lessons. I think he was a very wise man.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Alright. Point taken.

I personally, will try to make sure that I do not get into situations where my intentions could be misconstrued with regards to contact with children.

Fair enough?.

When my older kids started violin lessons, the tutor refused to take on new students unless the parents or another adult attended the lessons. I think he was a very wise man.

Aye. We're unanimous now !

Originally Posted by nidhogg

the tutor refused to take on new students unless the parents or another adult attended the lessons

100% correct if the lessons are held in your home

Originally Posted by Thetyim

Originally Posted by nidhogg

the tutor refused to take on new students unless the parents or another adult attended the lessons

100% correct if the lessons are held in your home

In his home actually.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

You really don't know what's going on here - there have been cases where guys have been innocent and the kids were coerced into making allegations and 'coached' at what to say by police; I certainly would not believe the police story because they are primarily a mafia not a law supporting institution; this could be about money, he could have slighted a Thai, an ex-wife, anything; easy and cheap to get the police to play your tune here...

But, this bit does not look good:

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

finding sexually explicit material featuring Mr. Miller with minors

But, considering how awful the reporting is, that could be him with his son on his lap on a normal family beach pic.

I'm not saying he is innocent, I have no idea at all, just saying thusfar this is just another non-factual story, hence stupid comments like:

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

a large amount of non-sexual toys for young children to play with.

I have read all the forums on this case, and have reached certain conclusions, and notice all the comments about what should be done.

I can only day 'Innocent until proven Guilty'.

I also know someone who has known this guy for five years.

This chap was found in a house with the 9 year old child of a jilted Thai woman. Greg refused to become her lover as she has an English husband who is currently overseas.

Greg was not caught in the act, and the child was fully clothed and playing on a play station playing computer games in the front room of the house, as he had done for many weeks previously.

The toys found were blow up swimming pool floats that the kids had regularly played with when at the house.

The mother involved trusted the guy so much she even asked him to babysit.

When asked what was going on the kid said 'nothing' then after being taken outside with mother and police miraculously he had been molested.

The reason the mother said the kids could not go to the house was that the 'couple' had a huge bust up on the 4th, and he was arrested on the 9th.

There was a scene at the police station when his mate told the police that certain facts they were recording were not quite true, and in good old fashioned Thai police style was told to shut up or be arrested.

It is alleged the gossip is now that certain persons involved are openly discussing and planning on how to spend their 'compensation'.

This guy is a highly qualified 48 year old school teacher, is polite and well turned out, has a clean criminal record, and is innocent until proven guilty.

The Thai police obviously take great glee in publicising their successes, and these are the exactly the same Thai police that in a recent case were found to have paid a witness to say what the police wanted them to say, that he had been abducted and sexually assaulted- only problem was that on the day in question the guy who got arrested was not even in Pattaya, and the Court literally dismissed the case and recommended the Prosecutor file charges against the police.

Lest I be criticised for my comments here, if he were to be found guilty I would be the first one to sharpen the blade.

Let's wait to see the outcome.

^You protest too much - just saying like.

^ Quite a jump isn't it...

Have a bust up...vengeful lady then accuses man of molesting child.

It might happen...but it sure as hell sounds very unlikely....just sayin'

Sorry mate - new user giving big explanations - always a bit suss in my opinion.

I don't know the facts of this story. But, post #129 and #135 appear to be more reasonable than most. People that tar and feather on the say so of Thai police are plain stupid in my book...

^Unfortunately in the case of pedophilia; people are only innocent until speculated guilty.

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

'The only single thing that any of us can take away from this is simple: Don't be alone with kids without another adult present under any circumstances.'

So true, it is a sad world now and i feel uncomfortable if one of my young relatives wants to sit on my lap.
If this feller is guilty as charged then hang the cnut but if he has been set up then it has ruined his life forever, he is on a lose lose situation.

Originally Posted by dobella

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

'The only single thing that any of us can take away from this is simple: Don't be alone with kids without another adult present under any circumstances.'

So true, it is a sad world now and i feel uncomfortable if one of my young relatives wants to sit on my lap.
If this feller is guilty as charged then hang the cnut but if he has been set up then it has ruined his life forever, he is on a lose lose situation.

Moog will take you to task for that quote.......as it is mine, and he disagreed with it quite strongly - but with some grounds to be fair.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Moog will take you to task for that quote.......as it is mine, and he disagreed with it quite strongly - but with some grounds to be fair.

I speak English and am educated but you got me stumped on your post, could you give me a little more opinion but so that i can understand you ?
Thanks.

Originally Posted by dobella

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Moog will take you to task for that quote.......as it is mine, and he disagreed with it quite strongly - but with some grounds to be fair.

I speak English and am educated but you got me stumped on your post, could you give me a little more opinion but so that i can understand you ?
Thanks.

The quotation :
'The only single thing that any of us can take away from this is simple: Don't be alone with kids without another adult present under any circumstances.'


was something I said originally. Moog was quoting me in his post (why he used italics). He disagreed with what I said, saying that "under any circumstances" was a ridiculous thing to say, and indeed I did conceed that he had a point, as "under any circumstances" covers too wide a scenario - I believe he gave the case scenario of a dead, injured or dying child - in which case, indeed one would have to do the right thing and take what lumps came.

We eventually agreed on:

"I personally, will try to make sure that I do not get into situations where my intentions could be misconstrued with regards to contact with children."


More a question of semantics than anything, but the point was that moog throught my statement was far too broad reaching, and so for you to ascribe it to him (check your post) is a bit unfair on him.

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

Originally Posted by nidhogg

The only single thing that any of us can take away from this is simple: Don't be alone with kids without another adult present under any circumstances.

Too extreme (though it will play well to omniphobicTeakdoor readers )

If one isn't malevolently inclined, there is an infinitely small chance of any misaccusation.

And taken logically, one's own kids are just as capable as any others of reporting a parent for hitting or interfering with them (whether true, or concocted - just to be resentful at some expression of parental authority), so extending the point - one couldn't be alone with them either.

Have to agree with Nidhogg on that one. At school I don't care if I am alone in a classroom with 4-5 or more, but I absolutely avoid being alone with 1. If I am in the classroom alone and one walks in, I'll try to casually move the conversation out into the hallway or feign an excuse to leave. Sorry, but the sad reality is that just being a single male here makes it more believable should an accusation happen.

Even the infinitely small chance is not worth taking.

Originally Posted by dobella

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

'The only single thing that any of us can take away from this is simple: Don't be alone with kids without another adult present under any circumstances.'

So true, it is a sad world now and i feel uncomfortable if one of my young relatives wants to sit on my lap.
If this feller is guilty as charged then hang the cnut but if he has been set up then it has ruined his life forever, he is on a lose lose situation.

sorry mate i find statements like this pathetic, if you are uncomfortable it is because of a deeper issue you have.

I know of a fellow who once told me while we were drunk that he will not bathe his 1 year old daughter because it made him "uncomfortable".

As a single father of a girl, now 5, i cannot fathom how bathing your own child cannot be any thing other than a completely natural occurrence.

he did not seem to have any issues with his son.

funny that

Originally Posted by nidhogg

More a question of semantics than anything, but the point was that moog throught my statement was far too broad reaching, and so for you to ascribe it to him (check your post) is a bit unfair on him

Ok, thanks for explaining what i did not understand originally.
I'm totally with you on this subject.

Originally Posted by t.s

sorry mate i find statements like this pathetic, if you are uncomfortable it is because of a deeper issue you have.

I'll leave you to enjoy young kids sitting on YOUR lap.
'Deeper issues' ?, what are you some sort of mind reading phsyco head fuck ?
Knobhead.