Thread: Thailand: Bang Kwang Prisoners Beaten/Killed by Police & Military

Lee Aldhouse's lawyer just came in his pants.

Lee will be still wanking over this

"a prison warder asked prisoners to inform their relatives...lodge an appeal..."

That's a different story.

What's going to happen to him?

He's going to be promoted.

Head of the Muslim ward in Songkla prison. New rations of pork only dinner for them.

So the dead prisoner with the cell phone was likely a suspected Muslim insurgency ring leader organising from jail, then?

Originally Posted by DrB0b

I haven't seen any details or corroboration anywhere else.

It's hard to judge these things.

Given how little people in this country care about what happens to prisoners, the power that officers have over their subordinates and charges. the whole prison system is very vulnerable to the callousness of one individual leading to wide scale abuse. Apart from a warder encouraging prisoners to complain; there is nothing, sadly, in this story that surprises me.

And if it did happen one would not expect it to get much publicity, for no other reason that awful lot of people in the country expat and thai fall into the 'they deserve all they get' or don't give a shit' categories.

So if this did happen one would expect to hear about as a rumours more than a news story. The credibility of the report, really depends upon wether or not the people reporting this story have a record or not of their rumours being true.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

From Death Penalty Thailand: Prison Beatings
I haven't seen any details or corroboration anywhere else.

โทษที่ป่าเถื่อนเช่นนี้อยู่ Wednesday, June 06, 2012

Prison Beatings

Prison beatings have been taking place in building 5 of Bang Kwang prison, where shackled prisoners condemned to death are held. Prisoners inform us that on the evenings of 29th, 30th May, over 100 police and military, the most aggressive masked and dressed in black, entered the prison and beat and kicked shackled prisoners. They searched for illegitimate objects and beat to death one prisoner behind whose sleeping place was found a smuggled phone. Other prisoners were kicked and beaten at random. One is severely injured with a fractured skull. Next day the new governor of the prison warned prisoners that news of these attacks should not be spread outside the prison. However, on the next visiting day for prisoners, a prison warder asked prisoners to inform their relatives and asked them to lodge appeal against such treatment. Who authorised such an incursion, and who are the 'black aggressors/? This violence against defenseless and vulnerable prisoner is abominable.
Similar attacks are recorded in other Thai prisons

posted by hrdefender at 3:59 PM

Yes, DrB, we are living in a zoo with dangerous wild animals

welcome to Thailand,

These crybabies should think of it as the spanking their parent's should have given them with compounded interest added.

I doubt very much if the outnumbered guards are beating anyone but troublemakers, most guards do not want to upset the prisoners without need since having them calm makes the guards lives easier too. No sympathy here.

So speaketh the silent majority

Originally Posted by DrB0b

beat and kicked shackled prisoners. They searched for illegitimate objects and beat to death one prisoner behind whose sleeping place was found a smuggled phone.

Very sick society.

Another example of "Thai Scum Syndrome". The 13th Century is alive and well in the Land Of Smiles.

^^ The bar girls are amature liars compared to inmates in a jail or prison. Likely a very embellished version of what happened, if not an outright fabrication.

Somehow, even with the poverty and the underfunded police, the Thais manage to keep most of this Country safer from serious crime than most of the USA. I'm not sure how they do that, but they're doing something right. I would much prefer to walk the streets of Bangkok at night than Los Angeles or Detroit.

Given the police slaughtered 2000 folk in the spurious war on drugs campaign I rather think beating a few prisoners to death wouldn't be beyond the authorities in this new, wonderful democratic state elcted by the people , for the people and managed by the people.

Also, one wouldn't need a PhD in rocket science to work out who actually authorised these attacks.

Originally Posted by BobR

^^ The bar girls are amature liars compared to inmates in a jail or prison. Likely a very embellished version of what happened, if not an outright fabrication.

Somehow, even with the poverty and the underfunded police, the Thais manage to keep most of this Country safer from serious crime than most of the USA. I'm not sure how they do that, but they're doing something right. I would much prefer to walk the streets of Bangkok at night than Los Angeles or Detroit.

"Bob", did you take a round in the head during your career?

Given that 20,000 are shot to death in violent homicides in any given year one wonders how you define the " serious crime " the authorites here are so successful in managing, as you bizarrely claim.

Originally Posted by thegent

the police slaughtered 2000 folk in the spurious war on drugs

Apparently the current government are eager to do this again.

^^^The apparent author of the attacks holds a masters degree in criminal justice from a dodgy US college, a PhD in rocket science or anything at all being out of the question for him.

All he had to do was think like a criminal and act like a wanabe lawyer to get away with his crimes in this country's "democracy".

Originally Posted by BobR

Somehow, even with the poverty and the underfunded police, the Thais manage to keep most of this Country safer from serious crime than most of the USA. I'm not sure how they do that, but they're doing something right. I would much prefer to walk the streets of Bangkok at night than Los Angeles or Detroit.

Bullshit

Thais cover up the danger for tourism purposes. Thailand is #1 in the world for gun violence. Anyone with a brain goes not vacation in Harlem, known to be dangerous.

Originally Posted by thegent

Originally Posted by BobR

^^ The bar girls are amature liars compared to inmates in a jail or prison. Likely a very embellished version of what happened, if not an outright fabrication.

Somehow, even with the poverty and the underfunded police, the Thais manage to keep most of this Country safer from serious crime than most of the USA. I'm not sure how they do that, but they're doing something right. I would much prefer to walk the streets of Bangkok at night than Los Angeles or Detroit.

"Bob", did you take a round in the head during your career?

Given that 20,000 are shot to death in violent homicides in any given year one wonders how you define the " serious crime " the authorites here are so successful in managing, as you bizarrely claim.

You've never been. To Detroit or South Central Los Angeles. Even Pattaya is safe by comparison.

Death Penalty Thailand: Notes on beatings in Thai jails
by hrdefender


Searches and Attacks in Bangkwang and other prisons
Attacks on prisoners by outside forces, on 16thand 17th May 2012
Searches were made throughout Bangkwang prison in Nonthabure, on the evenings of 16th and 17th May. Bangkwang prison is located in Nonthaburi, where those serving sentences over 30 years are held, and those condemned to death. Reports told of beatings “without apparent reason” carried out by a special masked unit.


The first attack on prisoners was made by a group of blue uniformed persons wearing caps, identified by the prisoners as ‘police’. In the floor on which our informant was detained there were about 20 prisoners, the floor consisted of 24 such rooms of facing cells. At first they heard sounds of beating, shouts, and screams. The assailants moved from room to room, apparently carrying out beatings on every floor of every building. They carried batons and numbered from fifty to a hundred or more. Prisoners were made to squat on the floor while searches were carried out. Apart from the blue clad ‘police’, there were ‘officials’ wearing white tea shirts, possibly military or corrections department officials, and a special masked squad dressed in black. Attacks on prisoners appeared to be random; they reported that one prisoner, a Thai citizen, had been beaten to death, and another seriously injured, with a cracked skull, when telephones were found in their bed area. Our informant was kicked on the legs as he crouched on the ground. In another building an informant told us that the prisoners were warned in advance by their own warders to hide telephones, which they did by attaching them behind fans. Prisoners remarked that if the search had been made by warders themselves these phones would have easily been discovered. His account of the beatings corresponded to that of a prisoner in a separate building for prisoners condemned to death. Beatings carried out by masked assailants lasted about 90 minutes. A police man stood at the door of each cell while the occupants were being beaten. On one occasion a regular prison guard was heard calling for a doctor to come. On the following morning he observed two prisoners showing extensive wounds on their backs.


In one account the prisoners were addressed the following morning by a recently appointed prison governor, warning them that news of the previous night’s events were not to spread outside the prison. However, warders advised prisoners to tell their relatives during visits and called on them to make complaints. It was clear that regular prison staff were against these beatings by outside forces.


Reports in the Thai press report other “visits” by such a mysterious unit in Nakhon Sri Thammarat prison. Authorities claimed the events were to eliminate mobile telephones and drugs from the prison. They admitted that prisoners were out of control of permanent staff who feared retaliation to themselves and their families by outside contacts of prisoners who had discovered their identities and domiciles.


From Bom Bak Phiset prison
An account of similar beatings has been received from prisoners in Bam Bak prison in both Thai and English versions. The following is the verbatim English version.


“Our Complaint to Foreign Embassies and to the Correctional Department


On 9th May 2012 Thai correctional officers conducted a raid on Building 9 of Bom Bak prison looking for “illegal belongings”.
This search was completely different from all previous searches carried out by the relevant authorities.
These officers used extreme violence and brutality and threatening behaviour. They repeatedly hit, punched and kicked vulnerable inmates who were all passive. Hundreds of victims required hospital treatment after the cowardly assaults.
These actions are illegal under existing Thai law. This leads to the question of why are high ranking Thai government officials ordering such illegal and horrific orders.
Therefore the foreign prisoners of building 9 urgently request that our embassies are informed of the truth about the illegal incidents so that necessary steps can be taken to ensure their safety.
Thanking you for these considerations
Foreign nationalities from building 9
Bom Bat Piset”


The statement was signed by 95 foreign prisoners from 17 different countries. Doubtless Thai prisoners were afraid to sign.


Note: All prisons in Thailand are chronically overcrowded and understaffed. It appears impossible for prison authorities to prevent prisoners accessing mobile phones, drugs, and gambling paraphernalia. Recently all gifts of food or other material brought by visitors have been banned so that smuggling by corrupt officials is the only conduit. A mobile phone inside the prison sells for ten times the outside price. Drugs appear to be readily available.
The populations of the prisons mentioned above are:
Bangkwang; 4008 prisoners
Nakorn Sri Thammarat; 3,202 prisoners
Bombot Prison; 3912 prisoners
Department of Statistics 1st April 2012

Originally Posted by DrB0b

These actions are illegal under existing Thai law. This leads to the question of why are high ranking Thai government officials ordering such illegal and horrific orders.

This does add a lot of credibility to the OP. As for the question its quite obvious, its capitalism at play. I would imagine that prison service corruption mirrors that of the police in that everyone takes their cut and passes the rest to their boss all the may upto the top of the ministry.

Someone in this chain of command who has authority over both the prison service and those who carried out the searches, clearly feels they need to boost their income by ensuring that all prison contraband generates income for them, hence the banning of gifts etc. ranting them a virtual monopoly on both contraband and the basic essentials which are now only available from the prison shop... The most exclusive and expensive convenience store chain in thailand.

The prison beatings were the result of this same person deciding that they needed a large one off short term boost to their income. This was achieved by manufacturing an artificial shortage of contraband with the prison searches, Obviously those carrying out the searches would be aware that these searches would be very unpopular and from the perspective of the searchers the violence would have been a very necessary intimidation to ensure the absolute compliance of the prisoners.

I'm just surprised they haven't selected a couple of prisoners to execute to boost the death row protection payments, I guess the prisoners still remember the last motivational incident they had and have simply paid up more without a fuss.

To find the person responsible start at the top and work down looking for someone who is retiring soon or expects to loose their position at the troff.