Refused "O" Visa (Very Strict)

**Gerbil** · 04-09-2012, 08:42 PM

For the hard of thinking: It's an embassy in London, not a consulate.

**DrAndy** · 04-09-2012, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

I haven't heard of any of the consulates doing a 3 year visa.

nor had I, but there it was, in black and white, stuck on the wall

**DrAndy** · 04-09-2012, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisM

There isn't a Thai consulate in London.

Originally Posted by Gerbil

For the hard of thinking: It's an embassy in London, not a consulate.

no, there is an embassy and a separate consular section in the basement

Thai Embassy
Consulate Section
29-30 Queen’s Gate
London SW7 5JB

**DrAndy** · 04-09-2012, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

I haven't heard of any of the consulates doing a 3 year visa.

they do this one, maybe that was what it was referring to:

Foreign citizen who wishes to visit Thailand for business purpose may apply for a three-year Non-Immigrant Visa “B”. This type of visa may be issued to businessmen for multiple-entries and is valid for 3 years. It allows holder to visit Thailand as often as required for as long as the visa remains valid and allows holder to stay in Thailand for a period of not exceeding 90 days during each visit. Employment of any kind is strictly prohibited for holder of such visa.

I will have a look when I pop in later

**Yasojack** · 04-09-2012, 09:07 PM

These type of visas always seem weird to me, it prohibits work, but surely the visa holder is working whilst visiting Thailand.

**klong toey** · 04-09-2012, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by Gerbil

For the hard of thinking: It's an embassy in London, not a consulate.

For the drunken members of the forum,consulate is down stairs at the same address.

**Gerbil** · 04-09-2012, 10:08 PM

To be pedantic:

A Consulate is the official residence and/or place of work of a Consul.
A Consul is an official appointed by a government to reside in a foreign country and represent his or her government's commercial interests and assist its citizens there.

There is no Thai Consul in London. There is a Thai Ambassador who heads the Embassy.

There is therefore no 'Thai Consulate' in London, there is a Thai Embassy which has a 'Consular Section' - That is not a Consulate.

**klong toey** · 04-09-2012, 10:12 PM

Originally Posted by Gerbil

To be pedantic:

A Consulate is the official residence and/or place of work of a Consul.
A Consul is an official appointed by a government to reside in a foreign country and represent his or her government's commercial interests and assist its citizens there.

There is no Thai Consul in London. There is a Thai Ambassador who heads the Embassy.

There is therefore no 'Thai Consulate' in London, there is a Thai Embassy which has a 'Consular Section' - That is not a Consulate.

Oh yes there is.
http://www.thaiembassyuk.org.uk/?q=node/3

**Gerbil** · 04-09-2012, 10:21 PM

^ Where does it say on there it is a 'Consulate'?

**DrB0b** · 05-09-2012, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by sityparamount

So next time i will get the court letter,then we can see what excuses they have then to refuse me

Be aware that this will take you about 3 months and will require several visits to the the Thai Family Services office. You will have to provide a mountain of documentation proving you are the childs father, including photos of you and the child for every year of the childs life. You will also be expected to show financial statements showing you have supported the child financially. Sworn witness statements will be required from relatives or close friends stating that you are or are known as the father.

The witnesses must have known you and the child from the childs birth. All of this culminates in the family court where you will have to sit in the dock before a tribunal, take an oath, and be questioned by the tribunal on your history with the children and why exactly you are going to the trouble of legitimising them.

If the case is clear-cut judgement will be rendered immediately but it will still take about two weeks for you to receive the written judgement. You then need to take the judgement to the Tambon office where the child's birth was registered and get the birth-records changed and a new birth-cert issued naming you as the father (if it already names you as the father that means diddly-squat unless you get married or go through this process).

At this point you can now re-apply for a visa.

Originally Posted by alwarner

I called Cardiff last week and they are saying that you have to be married. They didn't even know about the custody letter.

That's because there's no such thing, the document in question is called a "Child Legitimation Order" and is a court order declaring that you are the legal father, with Parental Powers, of the child. Without this, or a marriage certificate, you have absolutely no legal rights over your child under Thai law, none at all. Get the exact Thai phrase (I don't have the document with me here so I can't copy the title) or they still won't know what you mean.

**The Ghost Of The Moog** · 05-09-2012, 09:57 AM

Why does Thailand have a Consulate in Hull? Is it because Northern Gentlemen like going to Pattaya?

**good2bhappy** · 05-09-2012, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by Yasojack

it prohibits work

You can get a work permit with a non o

**Marmite the Dog** · 05-09-2012, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Be aware that this will take you about 3 months and will require several visits to the the Thai Family Services office. You will have to provide a mountain of documentation proving you are the childs father, including photos of you and the child for every year of the childs life. You will also be expected to show financial statements showing you have supported the child financially. Sworn witness statements will be required from relatives or close friends stating that you are or are known as the father.

Don't they know about DNA testing?

**DrB0b** · 05-09-2012, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Be aware that this will take you about 3 months and will require several visits to the the Thai Family Services office. You will have to provide a mountain of documentation proving you are the childs father, including photos of you and the child for every year of the childs life. You will also be expected to show financial statements showing you have supported the child financially. Sworn witness statements will be required from relatives or close friends stating that you are or are known as the father.

Don't they know about DNA testing?

They do. It's very much a last resort and requires consent from the person being tested. A child is considered to be too young to give consent (In a legitimation case the child is usually under 6 years old).

If the mother vehemently denies that the man is the child's father then court may recommend a DNA test. However, even if the court recommends it the mother can still refuse to allow it, as she has full parental rights over the child she is legally entitled to do this and no court can stop her.

When applying for a legitimation order for a child biological parenthood is not the only factor taken into account and proof of biological parenthood doesn't guarantee the order will be granted. The court also investigates how you've taken care of and supported the child in the past and how you will do this in the future. If you don't satisfy them on those points they will not grant the legitimation order.

**Marmite the Dog** · 05-09-2012, 03:29 PM

^ What if both parents are happy to have DNA testing or is that too sensible for Thai courts?

**DrB0b** · 05-09-2012, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

^ What if both parents are happy to have DNA testing or is that too sensible for Thai courts?

It's considered an assault on the child and would only be allowed in the most extreme circumstances (It's not like the UK where the police take a DNA sample every time you walk into a cop shop) and it still doesn't take into account whether or not you're a suitable person to take care of the child, that's one of the reasons you have to provide witnesses - they will be quizzed on your behavior and your support of the child.

Of course, I could have told them that we do things differently "back home", that their legal system was fucked, and that they were a bunch of idiots but I had a sneaking suspicion that that wouldn't really help my case.

**Marmite the Dog** · 05-09-2012, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Of course, I could have told them that we do things differently "back home", that their legal system was fucked, and that they were a bunch of idiots but I had a sneaking suspicion that that wouldn't really help my case.

Agreed. The truth rarely gets you anywhere here.

**DrB0b** · 05-09-2012, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Of course, I could have told them that we do things differently "back home", that their legal system was fucked, and that they were a bunch of idiots but I had a sneaking suspicion that that wouldn't really help my case.

Agreed. The truth rarely gets you anywhere here.

In UK courts every time I told the truth the fkrs jailed me

**Marmite the Dog** · 05-09-2012, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by DrB0b

In UK courts every time I told the truth the fkrs jailed me

That's because you were a naughty pikey.

**DrB0b** · 05-09-2012, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

Originally Posted by DrB0b

In UK courts every time I told the truth the fkrs jailed me

That's because you were a naughty pikey.

Yes, Your Honour, I was. And as my brief says you're a soft touch on the remorse front I hope you will take my abject grovelling into account when passing sentence.

**crippen** · 05-09-2012, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

Why does Thailand have a Consulate in Hull? Is it because Northern Gentlemen like going to Pattaya?

In the olden days,a lot of the Siam trade went through the port of Hull.

Thai Consulate - Hull

Mr Alan Taylor is the Honorary Consul at the Thai Consulate in Hull. The Royal Thai Consulate in Hull was opened in 1922 and was the first consulate for Thailand (then Siam) to be established in the United Kingdom. The Hull consulate is well known in Hull and easy to find.

http://www.thai-consulate.com/thai-consulate-hull.html

The first Consul was Sir James Bell, a ship-owner who traded with Siam

**Seekingasylum** · 06-09-2012, 12:28 PM

Indeed, the same might be said for the Cardiff Consulate which is operated by a shipping agent. The thing is, most shipping agents in the UK are regarded as folk of the highest character and are accorded high status by UK based authorities who consider them beyond reproach. They ensure the highest standards of integrity are maintained and this is recognised, not least because shipping agencies make a lot of money and it would not be in their interests to conduct business otherwise.

To think of provincial consulates as soft touches who will issue willy nilly is quite absurd. They operate under instructions from the MFA through the Embassy and if they seemed lax in the past that is simply because the Thai weren't overly concerned about a stricter regime. Now they are, and this is being translated into action by the consulates who are only adopting current Thai policy. If you fit the rules then issue is likely, if not, then .......

Folk should keep abreast of changes before leaping in assuming everything will be the same as last time. I always keep one of the two copies of the original marriage certificate when I travel back to Blighty and full copies of the distaff's passport certified as a true copy together with a copy of her ID card just in case something untoward might happen and I need another O visa.

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