UK Visa - Fuk the embassy is shit

**klong toey** · 25-12-2010, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

^Because they do, also I need a new passport as mine is full, pretty sure in the UK they are cheaper than the 250 quid they charge in Hong Kong.

Might be easier to do in Hong Kong.
Non-UK residents and those temporarily outside the UK
If you do not live in the UK, you can apply in person to renew your passport while visiting the UK.
IPS cannot accept applications from overseas. If you would like to renew your British Passport while outside the UK, you will need to contact your local embassy, high commission or consulate.
Renewing your passport in the UK if you live abroad
You can renew, amend or replace your passport whilst you’re visiting the UK. You should apply to the Identity and Passport Service.

You’ll need to make an appointment, provide a verifiable residential address, and be able to attend any interviews as required by IPS. You’ll have to be available at this address so you can sign for the passport. Please note that IPS do not accept applications by post or email from abroad.

It seems you need to make a visit to them,rather then renew by post.

**samran** · 25-12-2010, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

Originally Posted by rawlins

I am not married to my other half but we still got our baby a UK passport

The marriage laws have now changed and if I'm willing to whack up 40k baht they may consider he has a chance of being english, ie I whack u 40k baht and then they decide, may aswell throw that money out in the street really.

You can pass on nationality even though you aren't married - they changed the laws a couple of years back.

I think you are being a bit harsh given that the visa people are pissing you about. Of course the official rules are going to say 'consider' - what governments are going to guarantee anything? The fact of the matter is however that there are few surer things so long as he is your real son - he'll be given UK nationality no worries.

As for the 40K - I don't understand why this is an issue - you are looking to recycle the monies over 6 months to get him a visa, when you could just pay it out now and ensure that he'll never need a visa for travel for the rest of his life if you got him a Brit passport.

Why not give The Scouser a email over at TV - he's a proper immigration lawyer for the UK and he hates the embassy staff more that you do. Whats more, he's good at giving free advice which will get you over the line.

**hazz** · 25-12-2010, 06:15 PM

^I kind of assumed at you could pass you nationality through decent too. But it's a bit more complicated than that, if you were born between 1983 and 2006 your father must have been married to your mother at your birth for you to get British citizen ship by decent. if your parents marry at a later date, that might (to use the BA's word) work. Just another example of margaret the misery maker doing what she did best back in the 80's

**Marmite the Dog** · 25-12-2010, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by hazz

through decent too

Through a decent what?

**dirtydog** · 25-12-2010, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by samran

The fact of the matter is however that there are few surer things so long as he is your real son - he'll be given UK nationality no worries.

When I read the website a year or so ago it seemed there was a good chance of being turned down, if he got turned down for a passport I doubt he would ever be able to get a visa for the UK, as hazz said, the years and marriage make a great deal of difference in your application.

**hazz** · 25-12-2010, 07:00 PM

Given that marriage has not been the institution it was for many many decades it seems very unfair to me that people born before 2006 should be treated so differently than those after. Hopefully that would make them more generous when looking a post birth marriages.

I think you a right about a failed attempt to get citizenship screwing up future visa applications. But I would have thought I would not be such an issue, if he has been to the uk before and complied with the visa .

It might be worth approaching the BA and asking about how getting married now would affect citizenship rights for your son; as in BN1 they say this can fix he issue without giving any details of when it will and will not help. And you can do this without them knowing who you are so it won't affect any visa apps. That assumes you are prepared to play their silly little games of telling you how to live your life. Grrrrrrr

As I say all the best with the app.

**dirtydog** · 25-12-2010, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by samran

I think you are being a bit harsh given that the visa people are pissing you about.

I don't think I am being harsh, my son goes to college 5 days per week so hasn't got time to work for a living, and if he did work it would be nothing money, so ok I will play the game and run money through his account for 5 or 6 months, hell, I would have stuck one of the plots of land in his name if that would have made them happy, been thinking about giving him the small plot anyway so it really makes no difference to me, the small plot is valued by the land office at around 2 million baht, not that I believe them but thats what they reckon on the percentage they make in tax for that area, pretty sure people are inflating the prices they pay to get larger bank loans, I would be happy to sell that plot at 1.5 million and would have made well on it, so I really got to think that people are inflating the prices paid purely for bank loans.

So, I can use my company and pay him a salary and he pays tax, or I can just run the money through his account, obviously this still comes down to it being money run through his account, aint no changing the fact he doesn't work for a living, they ask where does the money come from what does he say? I run say 20k baht per week through his account leaving say 4k baht per week in it each time to build up and they ask what does he spend all that on what does he say?

He spends 140baht perday plus if he wants more money we just give it to him, they aint going to give him a visa on his pocket money.

So we are left with the ridiculous situation of faking his accounts for 6 months which will be quite obvious to the visa office, will they refuse the visa because it is obviously not really his money running through the accounts, although obviously he will be given money for his holiday and I will pay his flights etc, but they will know he don't actually work for a living and just goes to college, they got to ask where the money comes from, I can see it now at the interview, "Yeah, my dad runs it thru my account to keep you idiots happy". That aint going to look so good, but thats the truth, or maybe he could tell them he is great at managing his 140baht perday pocket money and has built it up into a 20k baht per week income?

I remember a Pattaya mayor who was running a new mercedes, they asked how he could afford it on his 10k baht per month salary, this was many years ago, he said his wife was good at the house keeping money, UK visa office aint going to fall for shit like that

**dirtydog** · 25-12-2010, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by hazz

It might be worth approaching the BA and asking about how getting married now would affect citizenship rights for your son;

I am not a religious person, at present I can't see any financial benefits to getting married to my girlfriend, infact it may cause complications in other things, so I am not getting married, hell, I've been with her for like 16 or 17 years, I'm sure she knows exactly how many to the day she has had to put up with me, most likely she wouldn't even want to marry me

but I aint getting married for a poxy visa nor am I going to start going to church.

**Bower** · 25-12-2010, 07:39 PM

DD, when exiting the UK after your visit,register for 'Iris' recognition at the airport.
You will then not need to join the queues at immigration when entering the UK in future, also it would seem that any passport affairs or visa enquiries become suddenly quicker and easier !

**dirtydog** · 25-12-2010, 07:51 PM

Blimey iris scans, thats as bad as america, they also do fingerprint aswell, I had real trouble with the finger print though, seems my index finger is too long, real problem bending it up enough to go in the scanner, but i don't plan on making the UK a regular holiday destination, once every 20 years is more than enough.

**blue** · 25-12-2010, 08:07 PM

he's not applying to move there right ?
its just a tourist visa or family visitor visa
think you are making it more complicated than need be
he's a student -dont need to pretend he has an income
, puts down you are sponsoring his trip
his reasons for returning are his education , and he's a property owner in Thailand,
nothing to worry about

''In the 12 months to July visits by overseas residents to the UK rose 6% from 31.2 million to 32.9 million, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) said.''

**dirtydog** · 25-12-2010, 08:15 PM

Missed this email from them.

Dear, Sir/Madam

Thank you for contacting the UK Border Agency Visa Information Service in Bangkok.

Required documentation regarding financial evidence for social visit visa would include personal bank statements and saving books (containing details for the last six months), or any proof of a savings history.

There is no set amount of funds the Embassy requires. However, the financial evidence you provide should illustrate adequate funds to cover the return flight and accommodation and reasonable expenses, such as sightseeing costs, travel, transport etc for the applicant for the period he/she wishes to remain in the United Kingdom.

**Norton** · 25-12-2010, 08:26 PM

I don't see why you need to specify how much money he will be given or worry about money in his bank.

Just read the application for family visit. He is a student going to UK to visit his grandmother with his father (both UK citizens). You (his) father will accompany him and pay all his expenses. While staying with his grandmother you and she will pay all his expenses.

Apply for 6 month visa. No need for you to say anything about returning before him.

Am I missing something here?

http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/resources/.../1903073/VAF1B

**dirtydog** · 25-12-2010, 08:38 PM

Jees.

6.11 In times of either peace or war have you ever been >>>
involved in, or suspected of involvement in, war crimes, crimes
against humanity or genocide? Put a cross (x) in the relevant box

**PlanK** · 25-12-2010, 08:40 PM

Jailing EnglishNoodleDick is not a crime against humanity.

**Norton** · 25-12-2010, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

6.11 In times of either peace or war have you ever been >>> involved in, or suspected of involvement in, war crimes, crimes against humanity or genocide? Put a cross (x) in the relevant box

Don't worry DD, the question is directed at your son, not you.

**dirtydog** · 25-12-2010, 08:44 PM

Our secret jail is well hidden from their prying eyes, although Bush probably said the same thing

**chitown** · 25-12-2010, 08:56 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Not to get off-topic here but the 'Merkin Embassy Consular Affairs department is total shit too. Rude, extremely crowded even if you have an appointment. I absolutely hate having to go there...

Yeah, I was almost "taken down" by some American embassy scum for being a gentleman. I went through their security check point first and Mrs. Chi was coming through behind me. At the time, the security area was quite small and I had opened the door and was politely holding it open waiting for her to come through.

This scumbag embassy guy was coming back from lunch and saw me holding the door an went off yelling about a breach of security by having the door open...something about a terrorist attack and the Thai security guards not being able to defend the post.

I told him to get bent and I was probably the best protection the embassy had on grounds at the moment as his Thai girlie man staff were not stopping any terrorists. An embassy worker on a power trip does not like being told to get screwed, but oh well he is lucky that is all he got.

**dirtydog** · 25-12-2010, 09:12 PM

She could easily be mistaken for a muslim though chitown, I mean she isn't even white for gawds sake

**CaptainNemo** · 25-12-2010, 09:17 PM

I think the mistake people often make when dealing with these people to imagine that they are having a conversation with them, and that you can ask specific questions and get specific answers. I think it's better if you treat them as robots.

You just need to present it like a simple spreadsheet, I would have thought.

(Maximum) Duration of stay: 42 days (i.e. 6 weeks)
Start date of stay: 1st of June 2011
End date of stay: 12th of July 2011
Weekly accommodation: free, supplied by relative
Proof of suffient space in accommodation for duration of specified period: estate agent's/architects plans of house layout (?!)
Proof of sufficient vacancy in accommodation for specified period: council tax bill/electoral roll letter enclosed as proof of number of residents in accommodation
Budget for alternative accommodation (£/wk): e.g. £30/day for 42 days
Proof of medical insurance for duration of specified period: like a BUPA and Denplan policy or STA travel insurance perhaps?
Budget for food (£/day): e.g.: £10/day for 42 days
Budget for travel (£/wk): £20/wk? (includes costings for any planned sightseeing trips
Passport validity
Birth Cert.
Plane Tickets

So a rough guess at a figure is looking like around about £2,000, excluding air fares, and assuming you get a sensible health insurance package.

I can't see them responding to this:

Originally Posted by dirtydog

how much should I pay into his account over the next 6 months

They're not the ones applying for the visa, so they can't be expected to know how much you need, because they don't know what your plans are! How well do you eat? How lush do you like your accommodation and travel?! Think about it...
They are only front line data-entry monkeys reading off a script with no time or leeway for interpreting it for you.
As I see it, you have to show a sketch of a plan and a plausible costing up of it, and then you tot up your guesstimate amounts for the specific time period you're asking for the "permission slip" (i.e. visa) for, and then present it to them in a way that gets to the point and ticks all the boxes they have to tick on their software; and stops them asking more questions!

I think you're wasting your time with all the emotive wordage or your future plans - I don't think they care...
I think when they just perform a risk assessment... the easier you make it for them, the easier they'll make it for you... and making it easier, to my mind, means treating it like an engineering project, where you provide a specific schedule and list of components to your trip and cost it all up on a rough calculation, doing some of the risk assessment for them.

To test out how effective the emotive sales pitch is, try adding that he will be going to sunday school and helping give palliative care to lepers on evenings and weekends.

How's that for nowt, you big southern puff? =P

**dirtydog** · 25-12-2010, 09:17 PM

Actually I have driven into the American embassy before in Bangkok, no idea what id the guy showed but we were waved through and saluted, the id check was just done through the windscreen, got to admit at the time I didn't think anything of it, can't imagine he was CIA or anything as he ripped a load of people off and done a runner, maybe an merican id card was enough in them days.

**dirtydog** · 25-12-2010, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

They're the ones applying for the visa, and they are only front line data-entry monkeys reading off a script with no time or leeway for interpreting it for you.

I realise they don't give a toss whether he gets a visa or not, I also realise that probably most of them sending out these generic emails probably can't even read English so are sending the wrong ones, but, it's real simple, how much money do they want to see in his account for a 4 to 6 week holiday, he don't work, he hasn't got time to work, basically his holiday is based on how much time college will let him have off, he has no money(apart from what my girlfriend has forced him to save), he has no provable income, he has no job.

Real simple, how much money do they want me to put into his account for his holiday, the amount really doesn't matter, if he was like me when I was 18 then yes the amount would concern me as I would spend it all on a real wild time, luckily he's a bit more sensible than me and of course my mother is quite generous, or would be to him, so even a couple of grand he would come back with change, 20 years ago a good night out cost 50 to 100 quid, your on holiday thats every night you want a good night out, pretty sure it's a bit more expensive these days, also my membership cards for limelight and bootleggers have long since expired

would have to pay an entrance fee, although I'm much too old for clubs these days.

**peterpan** · 25-12-2010, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

although I'm much too old for clubs these days.

I suspect that's not all you are much too old for

**dirtydog** · 25-12-2010, 09:50 PM

I shall add a couple more things here, he doesn't know, so therefore doesn't care about this visa and trip to the UK, this is basically to improve his English and meet some of my side of the family, quite a few of which he has never met, and in all likely hood will never want to meet again, he has never asked about England nor shown any interest in going there before as obviously I have always been in Thailand so conversations about England are extremely rare, infact I can't remember the last time the UK came up in conversation, be a good few years ago I should imagine, probably the last time some Thai policeman extorted money from me for imagined or real driving offences, "They don't do that in the UK son."

Anyway, regardless of all that, this will be a factual account of applying for a visa and what happens, I have sent them a link to this thread although I doubt they know how to click a link and any that do probably aint so good at reeding Engrish, if he does get a visa though I shall give him one of my cameras for the photo threads

**dirtydog** · 25-12-2010, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by peterpan

I suspect that's not all you are much too old for

Shuddup grandad, bought time you died of old age aint it

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