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    Cheapest Health Insurance for Retirement Visa

    Could somebody please recommend the cheapest possible health insurance option to obtain a retirement visa for a 76y/o American and his Filipina Wife?

    Is it still mandatory post Covid?

    He's getting quotes around the $1,000 mark each.

    Cheers.

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    Mine is through Dhipaya and was B69,000 for the year. It is for B3,500,000. I ain’t 76 though.

    They have been insuring me for a few months. I have made no claims so can’t vouch for how well they pay or how much premiums rise each year.

    Last one on this list.

    https://longstay.tgia.org/document/c...ntact_list.pdf

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    That’s way too much. They have medical insurance in US and spent their time between Philippines and Thailand and other excursions.

    The US insurance will reimburse him for medical fees spent overseas so he just wants the cheapest one regardless of reliability for the sake of a visa.
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    @dirk - if he's that age and his insurance premiums will be sky high, perhaps it might be better for him to retire in PH and get a 13A spouse visa? (it's a permanent resident visa and it's by virtue of being married to a Filipino citizen - it's the one that topper & davis have) There's no insurance requirement for that, but I think he has to provide proof of income/ pension etc of at least 1,000 usd per month (to prove that he won't be a burden on the PH govt). That's aside from other requirements like a police check, Affidavit that they're really married & cohabiting, marriage certificate, etc. If he wants to visit TH, he could always hop on a flight to BKK. Those on 13A need to report to Immigration only once a year, not every 90 days or so which is required in TH (but I know that the latter can be done online now). Just a thought...


    Edit: if he doesn't want to apply for the 13A visa, he could do the Balikbayan visa route. Enter PH with his wife and get a 1 year stamp. Leave before thebyear is up (go on holiday), then enter PH again & get 1 year. Rinse and repeat. The disadvantage of that is if he needs to travel out of PH w/o his wife, the remaining days on his visa are cancelled. Then if he enters PH alone, he'll only get a 30 day stamp. The Balikbayan privilege/ visa is a 1-year tourist visa given to Filipinos/ former Filipinos and their immediate families.

    If he's on 13A visa, he's considered as a permanent resident & can enter/ exit PH without his wife (and without the need for an exit/ return ticket).
    Last edited by katie23; 03-04-2023 at 04:51 PM.

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    No health insurance requirement for the O retirement visa. The OA retirement visa is the one with the health insurance requirement. I have the O since January.

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    Thanks SK you beat me to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    Thanks SK you beat me to it.
    Tod Daniels is the expert on this stuff. Doesn’t post here anymore but he’s an admin in the Expats in Thailand group on FB. Anybody who searched his name in that group will find anything they want to know about any visa.

    Cheers bruh!

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    At that age and assuming the almost certain fact he will have several existing health issues a premium for a policy indemnifying to a realistic degree would be in the region of £10,000+ per year, although several companies might balk at taking the risk.

    There are some mickey mouse policies at a more acceptable level but cover is limited to a total annual in patient care cost of around, say, 600-800,000 baht.

    Usually policies for farang are very limited for the over 65s and several impose a requirement of marriage to a Thai spouse together with residence status of retiree etc.

    Essentially, for all practical purposes farang over 75s are uninsurable here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storekeeper View Post
    No health insurance requirement for the O retirement visa. The OA retirement visa is the one with the health insurance requirement. I have the O since January.
    What is the difference between O and OA for retirement purposes?

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    That is how it should be Katie

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    They never normally get past 10 posts these health insuramce threads.

    My two penneth...

    Edmonds ex will be the one to ask about insurance policies in Thailand.

    If its serious then just rent a high floored condo in Wongamat for the final swan song/dive or if you really wanna fuck yourself...head to Blackpool

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    deleted, upon reading not up to date.

    As sk said, see Todd Daniels on FB, he knows his stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirk diggler View Post
    What is the difference between O and OA for retirement purposes?
    His wife is a Filipina, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirk diggler View Post
    What is the difference between O and OA for retirement purposes?
    My understanding is if you apply outside Thailand for the retirement visa … the OA is what you get and has the insurance requirement.

    The O visa without the insurance requirement is what you get if you fly into Thailand on a tourist visa and then apply for the retirement visa.

    Here is a cut and paste of one of Tod Daniel’s responses on FB:

    I'd still come in on a regular tourist visa, get your bank account opened, get the funds transferred in, then apply first for the 90 day Non-O and after 2 months the year extension. That's more steps but it doesn't require insurance at all.

    I’ll be honest and admit I didn’t fully understand and still don’t … but I did the above knowing I was just going to find an agent once I hit the ground and let them do it for me.

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    From what I’ve read, the non O requires health care and the Non O-A doesn’t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirk diggler View Post
    From what I’ve read, the non O requires health care and the Non O-A doesn’t.
    No. The opposite. O does not require, OA does.

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    Your friend can apply for O in Thailand after he arrives on either no visa (30 day stay) or tourist visa (60 day, plus 30 with extention to stay).

    Proof that you are 50 years or older (your passport will suffice)
    Sufficient funds in your Thai Bank account not less than 800,000 THB.
    Notification of Residence in Thailand (TM 30 Receipt)

    He will get a Non O good for 90 days stay. Then apply for Non O good for 1 year stay.

    Quote Originally Posted by Storekeeper View Post
    but I did the above knowing I was just going to find an agent once I hit the ground and let them do it for me.
    I would recommend this as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    His wife is a Filipina, right?
    Apparently so. Which brings up the question, what long stay visa can she get?
    "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect,"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Your friend can apply for O in Thailand after he arrives on either no visa (30 day stay) or tourist visa (60 day, plus 30 with extention to stay).

    Proof that you are 50 years or older (your passport will suffice)
    Sufficient funds in your Thai Bank account not less than 800,000 THB.
    Notification of Residence in Thailand (TM 30 Receipt)

    He will get a Non O good for 90 days stay. Then apply for Non O good for 1 year stay.


    I would recommend this as well.


    Apparently so. Which brings up the question, what long stay visa can she get?
    She piggybacks on his visa, they have lived in Thailand for many years previously. It's just a bit different now.

    Thanks for all replies, sorry my wifi is limited at the moment.

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    My reply came out all wrong for some reason.

    The info I read was here:

    What is the difference between a Non-Immigrant O & Non-Immigrant O-A Visa? - Thai Visa Expert

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    ^ that is the link I deleted as it is not up to date.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Your friend can apply for O in Thailand after he arrives on either no visa (30 day stay) or tourist visa (60 day, plus 30 with extention to stay).

    Proof that you are 50 years or older (your passport will suffice)
    Sufficient funds in your Thai Bank account not less than 800,000 THB.
    Notification of Residence in Thailand (TM 30 Receipt)

    He will get a Non O good for 90 days stay. Then apply for Non O good for 1 year stay.
    That information is for an OA visa.

    An O visa requires 400k seasoned for two months when the application is made.

    Mine is based on marriage to a Thai.

    An OA requires 800k and insurance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    An O visa requires 400k seasoned for two months when the application is made.
    I have the O like Norts, it must have 800,000 baht in it. The Marriage visa requires 400,000

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    I have the O like Norts, it must have 800,000 baht in it. The Marriage visa requires 400,000
    I had the marriage when I lived in Thailand from 2007-2010. Yep, it was 400K.

    Now on the O retirement visa this time with the 800K and no insurance.

    Part of the reason I just don’t go to deep in explaining this stuff is because I still don’t fully understand the “seasoning” part of the equation. Especially for those who want to use their monthly pensions for the 40K/65K. Kinda understand but just not knowledgeable enough to explain it. And then there are those who want to use a combination of the 400K/800K combined with their 40K/65K monthly pensions. Sounds like a pain in the arse and just easier to deposit the 400K/800K and not let the balance go below that.

    Anyway, all I know is I flew in back in October 2022 on the 60 day tourist visa. Chilled out for a week and then found an agent for 30,000 baht. The agent magically made 800K appear in my account and then immediately it disappeared and somehow the agent used this to get me the 90 day O visa and 12 month extension … 15 months. My renewal month is January 2024.

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    That’s straight forward enough. No need to pay 30k to an agent if you can show the pension income or the 800k. I don’t think he would have a problem there.

    cheers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirk diggler View Post
    That’s straight forward enough. No need to pay 30k to an agent if you can show the pension income or the 800k. I don’t think he would have a problem there.

    cheers.
    Actually, yes … with the 800K he would have no problem as long as he hits the deck running with getting the bank account open and the money transferred in. And the paperwork submitted to immigration.

    But, to start off right from jump street using the monthly income method is more complicated and sounds almost impossible since you have to show 12 consecutive months of deposits from what I understand. Again … I’m no expert and have no experience using the monthly method. There must be a way to do it since that’s an option. I’m just not seeing it.

    Edit: I transferred in my own 800K about 10 days after the agent did their magic. So since I plan on using the same agent for my annual extensions it’ll now cost me 12K instead of 15K.
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