Thread: TM30

^ how many times do you leave the country every year?

Surely you'd be better off on a non-o multi entry based on marriage that gets you 90 days in country every time, is valid for 15 months if you time it right and you won't have to go and piss about or leave your dough in a Thai bank and fuck about with immi officers this TM 30 bullshit and their home visit and draw me a map to your house bullshit

Yeah mate, that's what I've got (post 120). Was wondering if I should still be doing the TM30 reporting. I leave the country 5 or 6 times a year.

^ you sure? I don't do any reporting

Sorry Mendip, just read your previous post. You don't need to register and can get your non o from Savannakhet Laos for 5000 baht.

You're only a 5 and half hour drive from Mukdahan on this side of the border

Originally Posted by Dillinger

^ you sure? I don't do any reporting

Neither do I. I have had a yellow house book for 12 years. Been in the same house for 20. My name is on the initial loan agreement long since paid off. My wife does not believe any of this TM 30 stuff, as she sadly is a supporter of the present government. She well knows I have reported my address 4 times a year for those 20 years.

When and if they decide to fine me they will have to fine my wife who is the legal owner of my house. If some immigration guy wants to get into it with her more power to him. I am just going to wait and see how it plays out. In May I got my yearly visa and paid a visit to the Police headquarters to be fingerprinted. Then left the country for a month and came back in with no problems.

I sure as hell aint going to get worked up over this bullshit. Been here too long for that..

^ That was well put Mendip and a similar situation to me,
It is a clustefuck innnit.
The local bobbies say i don't need to as long as i fund the station piss up .
I basically live next door to the mad fuckers.

Originally Posted by aging one

I have had a yellow house book for 12 years.

Same as me.

Originally Posted by aging one

When and if they decide to fine me they will have to fine my wife who is the legal owner of my house.

They won't fine you. It's the house owner they're after.

Originally Posted by aging one

I sure as hell aint going to get worked up over this bullshit.

I didn't get worked up over it. In fact the first I'd heard of a TM 30 was when me and the missus walking into immigration 6 months ago and they asked her for 500 Baht for failing to report. They never gave a receipt and that's when my anger jumped in. Fair go if you get a receipt but..........

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

In fact the first I'd heard of a TM 30 was when me and the missus walking into immigration 6 months ago and they asked her for 500 Baht for failing to report.

I would not want to be in that immigration office if that happens. Not joking at all.

It reads to me that it's just hotels who have to report it

. The acting head of Thai Immigration Lt-Gen Sompong Chingduang appears to be stepping up his policy of making sure that all house owners and hoteliers report the whereabouts of foreigners within 24 hours or face fines.



He has also warned foreigners staying longer than three months to make their 90 day reports or face fines.



Thai news site Naew Na - who have become somewhat of a mouthpiece for immigration in recent days - featured the latest stories about officers acting on Sompong or Big Oud's orders.



In Chonburi at Sunset Village Beach resort in Jomtien and at the "1000 Resort" in Phichit immigration found everything to be in order.



But in Roi-Et a house owner was fined.



And in Singburi a house in Moo 13 Mai Dat sub-district was surrounded and the house owner was fined under section 38.



The message from these stories - appearing in Naew Na almost every day recently - is clear:



If you have a foreigner staying in your address it must be reported within 24 hours.



If you are on a long stay visa make sure you report your whereabouts every 90 days.



TM.30



Over the past year, Thai immigration have started to more strictly enforce its requirement of the reporting of the locations of foreigners staying in Thailand.



The requirement isn’t new and is actually part of the 1979 Immigration Act, covered under section 38, which reads:



“House owners, heads of household, landlords or managers of hotels who accommodate foreign nationals on a temporary basis who stay in the kingdom legally, must notify the local immigration authorities within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the foreign national."



“The notification of residence of foreign nationals is made by the manager of licensed hotels according to the hotel act, owners of guesthouses, mansions, apartments and rented houses using the form TM. 30”.



If you are staying in a hotel, then the hotel will complete the TM.30 on your behalf.



However, if for example you have friends or family staying with you at your home in Thailand you have a responsibility to submit a TM.30 within 24 hours of their arrival so that immigration know your friends are staying at your address.



If you live in a rented property in Thailand, your landlord needs to submit a TM.30 to tell immigration you are living at that address.



Likewise, perhaps you or your wife owns a property in Thailand which is rented out to a foreigner, you also have a responsibility to submit a TM.30 form.



If you live in a house which is in your wife’s name and you are not named on the tabian baan, then your wife is required to submit a TM.30 form telling immigration you live there.



As mentioned, the requirement to submit a TM.30 is not new but it is now being more rigorously enforced.



Failing to complete a TM.30 can result in a fine of up to 2,000 baht.



You can submit the TM.30 form at your local immigration office.



If there is not an immigration in your province, the form can be submitted at your local police station.



The TM.30 can also be submitted online but the system only works for Chrome and Internet Explorer users.



As with many rules and regulations from immigration, the actual requirements may differ from one office to another.



To confirm exactly what is required in your province, contact your local immigration office.



You can download the TM.30 form here.



Source: Naew Na

Well, I don't know...

From your quotes:

If you live in a house which is in your wife’s name and you are not named on the tabian baan, then your wife is required to submit a TM.30 form telling immigration you live there.

That would cover me. But, as I never go near an immigration office how will they know?

On the other hand, immigration in Korat seem to be getting a bit more pro-active. There are stories of them visiting Western bars (such as they are) and they picked up an English guy on 11 year overstay a few weeks ago.

I am tempted to just wait and see, and if anything happens then one fine for 13 years doesn't seem bad, and I'll sort it out from there on.

Originally Posted by aging one

I sure as hell aint going to get worked up over this bullshit.

Yup - naught more than another inconvenience. I'll do whatever they say. Relocating back to the States is a most undesired and expensive option. But, if they "kick me out" - well, back to "tax central".

Originally Posted by Mendip

I am tempted to just wait and see, and if anything happens then one fine for 13 years doesn't seem bad, and I'll sort it out from there on.

A practical man you are.

Originally Posted by Mendip

On the other hand, immigration in Korat seem to be getting a bit more pro-active. There are stories of them visiting Western bars (such as they are) and they picked up an English guy on 11 year overstay a few weeks ago.

I see the text of his Gofundme page has been amended. When it first came out it said he was in jail ... "through no fault of his own".

https://www.gofundme.com/f/save-sam-birch

https://thethaiger.com/hot-news/crim...-east-thailand

[QUOTE=OhOh;3982032]This status is probably very unusual for most/QUOTE]


would think this is the norm for 90% off expats living in Thailand.

Originally Posted by Norton

Calm yourself butters. The process here is cumbersome and in need of improvement but goal as it is in every country is to know where folks reside.

No idea where you are these days but you can bet the gov knows exactly where a dodgey fellow such as you can be found.

you have been living in Thailand far too long, nobody here cares where you live as an immigrant, and all the Thais living here in France do not report to the police, that would be a violation of their human right. Like someone said, only in Germany in 1933 such things will be tolerated. The whole Thai immigration non-sense is unacceptable, and not humanly decent. But again, Thailand is a third world dictatorship, and asian facism is the standard in SE Asia.

you guys have been manipulated like poor submissive locals to accept such craps from the authorities. It's clear they don't want you here. Why would you want to stay?

Thais don't need to report their address in the UK either but several nationalities do.

Afghanistan Cuba Libya Syria
Algeria Egypt Moldova Tajikistan
Argentina Georgia Morocco Tunisia
Armenia Iran North Korea Turkey
Azerbaijan Iraq Oman Turkmenistan
Bahrain Israel Palestine UAE
Belarus Jordan Peru Ukraine
Bolivia Kazakhstan Qatar Uzbekistan
Brazil Kuwait Russia Yemen
China Kyrgyzstan Saudi Arabia
Columbia Lebanon Sudan

But so what? Different countries have different rules.

Originally Posted by Dragonfly

all the Thais living here in France do not report to the police, that would be a violation of their human right.

While I have no doubt that is probably the case today, when I first went to live in France (long after 1933- the year you quoted) I , and all non-French that I was aware of, needed a Carte de Sejour and it was required that I keep it on me at all times and report any change of address to the local police station.

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Butters

Originally Posted by Happy As Larry

While I have no doubt that is probably the case today, when I first went to live in France (long after 1933- the year you quoted) I , and all non-French that I was aware of, needed a Carte de Sejour and it was required that I keep it on me at all times and report any change of address to the local police station.

that's true for everyone, not immigrants. In France, you need your ID all the time. Yet, you don't get to court or thrown in jail if you don't.

Originally Posted by Jack meoff

Shot
Foot
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Butters

fuck off Chav, you sound more and more like Cyrille 2.0

actually you are probably Cyrille evil twin brother

Originally Posted by Norton

I have indeed but not too long. Anyone who would leave any country they enjoyed living in because the had to fill out an on line form every 90 or visit the local IO annually to extend their stay really has problems dealing with small and inconsequential irritations.

If I lived and enjoyed life in any country reckon I would feel same about their laws.

in your case maybe, you are retired and not doing much, so I get your point, and it's harmless

but for those with an active work life, this is just another level of annoyance on the top of everything else

for illegal TEFLERs, like Smeg, or Cyrille, it must be very stressful

Originally Posted by Dillinger

Surely you'd be better off on a non-o multi entry based on marriage that gets you 90 days in country every time, is valid for 15 months if you time it right and you won't have to.... fuck about with immi officers this TM 30 bullshit

You're as clueless about immigration rules as you are about health and fitness.

Originally Posted by Dillinger

It reads to me that it's just hotels who have to report it

the fuxin' first sentence that you quote:

Originally Posted by Dillinger

The acting head of Thai Immigration Lt-Gen Sompong Chingduang appears to be stepping up his policy of making sure that all house owners and hoteliers report the whereabouts of foreigners within 24 hours or face fines.

Originally Posted by Dillinger

in Singburi a house in Moo 13 Mai Dat sub-district was surrounded and the house owner was fined under section 38.


The message from these stories - appearing in Naew Na almost every day recently - is clear:


If you have a foreigner staying in your address it must be reported within 24 hours.

Originally Posted by Dillinger

“House owners, heads of household, landlords or managers of hotels who accommodate foreign nationals on a temporary basis who stay in the kingdom legally, must notify the local immigration authorities within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the foreign national."

That impotence medicine you take must be messin' with yer noggin.