Thread: TM30

Even if one is 100 % in the right and being hit up for a bribe I'd pay it if it meant I was gunnar walk out that door with my Visa sorted.

Fuked if I'd be pissin around arguing the toss, these fukers can make ya life very hard if they want to.

At the end of the day 500 BHT or even 1 K is a few beers down the pub.

Who gives a farrkkk ?

Not me that's for sure.

that was before, terry, now the same monkeys would ask for 10,000 THB, possibly more

Na, not unless you are doing dodgy shit.

If you are doing dodgy shit ya pay it.

Unfortunately the up cuntry guys need to deal with some well dodgy Immi officers who like to make up their own rules just to fuk whitey over.

Bangkok crew deal with Chiang Wattana which goes mainly by the rules.

Originally Posted by terry57

Bangkok crew deal with Chiang Wattana which goes mainly by the rules.

Was told 'impossible' by an IO at CW.

Informed them that was it not only possible, but we did it here before, and it was, in fact, them that did it.


'Oh.'

Checks everything again.


'Dai.'

Yer happens some times but certainly a lot less than the up cuntry crew have to deal with.

they are frigging idiots, but again dealing with farang idiots all day, this is even

farangs deserve that stupid shit for going through it, and says 'thank you' for being fooked katoye style

I agree with that as well, imagine rocking up to work every day and dealing with Farangs who think they know the rules but mostly do not. ??

No wonder some of them Immi dudes turn into koonts.

Originally Posted by terry57

Yer happens some times but certainly a lot less than the up cuntry crew have to deal with.

Odd. That's not my experience at all. Immigration Offices outside of main cities (particularly Bkk) have always been much more laid back, easier, friendly and accommodating.


Which immigration offices have you dealt with 'up cuntry'?

luigi

Which immigration offices have you dealt with 'up cuntry'?

mad terry.

I never need to Visit Immi because my 90 day report Is done on line and I exit Lieland twice a year.

Good innit. Just saying.

the hoser hasnt been to an immig office since he was supposedly running a diving school off phuket in 1970.
geezer knows fuk all.

Oh Sorry lui,

i was just goin on information that many posters say that up cuntry can be a hit and miss shit show.

Prag sort of was not happy so ask him eh

Originally Posted by Luigi

Odd. That's not my experience at all. Immigration Offices outside of main cities (particularly Bkk) have always been much more laid back, easier, friendly and accommodating.


Which immigration offices have you dealt with 'up cuntry'?

They certainly are here at Roiet office. Decent folks just doing their job. Go in prepared with the proper items and things go without a hitch.

Go in unprepared and expect probs as you would dealing with any gov agency in any country.

Originally Posted by terry57

I recon it's all about whether Ex-pats are willing to throw their lot in their home land and move to an Asian cuntry where they know that they will always be an outsider with zero rights and zero chance of any security what so ever.

Some accept the risk and others say fuk that, no fukin way.

I'm in the last group.

It's a free world so do what ya want but don't complain about shit when the host cuntry moves the goal posts.

There were none to begin with.

This TM.30 thing has been around for many many years... only recently enforced though.

All I can say is from my experiences over the years is that in the beginning all was fine, never a problem. I'd also give tea money when I'd received good helpful service, no problem. But over the years they've got greedy. Obviously due to the likes of Terry throwing money at them for doing something which they already get paid for. Cops are basically the same.

As my wife says 'they know if you've got money and they want some of it. Better in their pocket than in an agents'. So they then create fake situations where they put pressure on the alien to look for an easy option. An under the table payment. All I can talk about is Buriram IO and it seems now to be that you are not walking into an IO but a Visa Agents.

I stay legal, always have, but these twats really do not want that as it offers them nothing other than a 100 Baht tip from the 2,000 you gave them for 1,900 Baht visa. They want the big money, 20,000 + for an under the table visas that the agents get.

I want to stay legal but these twats don't want you to be. Hence why every office is different. They change the interpretation of the rules to suit their pockets. And if staying legal causes me inconvenience and makes me moan on a forum then bring it on, I've fcuk all else to do during the day.

In my 32 years association with Lieland i personally have never paid 1 baht to immigration or any other official. Have never been asked and have never have a problem.

Every fuker i know who has had to pay corruption was involved in dodgy shit like using a dodgy agent to obtain fake visas. This was a regular occurrence on Koh Tao in the early years. All came tumbling down in the end though.

Our Dive company did pay 1000 bht to the Police to help build the new Police station but fuk me, myself and my Canadian partner were doing business with no work permits or fuk all.

So was every other white fuker back then.

Time of my life it was.

And further more, dealing with Immigration in Thailand is a gong show and can be unpredictable.

To call out all Immi officers as corrupt and troublesome is fukin stupid.

Most are only doin their job and just want to get it done.

Some are nasty fukers who will do anything to extract tea money from the White boy.

Simply bad luck if your local office has a few of these.

The bottom line is this, if you have not got your ducks in a row when dealing with them you open your self up to be fuked over.

Offering up the excuse that you did not know about a regulation holds no water. They hear this one every fukin day.

Many guys getting fuked over with the TM -30 Simply because it's confusing.

Becoming clearer now since every fuker has been bitching about it.

The next thing will be a purge of the very dodgy Visa agents who are using their money to get Whitey over the line.

The legit Visa agents will still be able to do business so that would be a great thing.

The only person who will be affected are the broke arse piss pants fukers who live here on nothing and have no money to meet the requirements.

Jesus Christ, if ya can't stump up 800 K Bht and keep it rapped up for 5 months what the fook are ya doin here ?

Originally Posted by terry57

ya can't stump up 800 K Bht and keep it rapped up for 5 months

Nah Terry, probably quite a few who wound up here working TEFL for cheap yet wound up married and now supporting a family who can't.

For myself I'm cashed up, but, as an unemployed victim of the asian financial crisis, I needed a "Letter of Employment" promising adequate funds for my wife's I551 (green card) to the USA.

Sure there are married TEFLers who do not have enough cash to qualify for their spouses immigration to their home country and can't afford to tie up THB 800k/400k and/or this recent new set of financial hoops. These aren't the "bad guys out" perps, these folk will be and/or are "collateral damage". Exceptions should be made.

Originally Posted by terry57

Jesus Christ, if ya can't stump up 800 K Bht and keep it rapped up for 5 months what the fook are ya doin here ?

In my case due to my passport needing renewal and the recent rule changes, that they never told anyone about, caused my monies not to have been seasoned as they were tied up in earning me 6% interest rate. A little hiccup but all will work out after doing a 60 day extension. Shit happens but being forewarned by immigration notifying aliens would have been nice. But then that takes away their legitimate right to scam people.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

In my case due to my passport needing renewal and the recent rule changes

I may as well publish the rule change that fcuked me up. Last October I got a 12 month extension with 10 months left on my passport. In the past you got the remaining time left on your extension carried over into your new passport. They stopped it. God knows when. When your passport dies your extension dies with it and you have to start all over again. Who knew that? I still had my previous old passports and followed the procedure from 10 years ago. As I say I know of nobody that knew of this rule change. So a warning to others who have to renew their passport in the future. Your current extension dies at the same time as your passport does. Whereas in the past it didn't.

Rather pleasant morning at One Stop in Sriracha... work permit and extension valid for 2 years, gotta love working for a BOI company !!

Originally Posted by Fondles

gotta love working for a BOI company

Yep. Smooth as Silk.

Perhaps, just perhaps, with enough negative publicity they may rethink the enforcement policy - but, first things first, need to find a scapegoat



Bangkok Post Editorial – 31 July 2019

TM30 a shot in the foot
EDITORIAL COLUMNIST
PUBLISHED : 31 JUL 2019 AT 04:00
NEWSPAPER SECTION: NEWS

At a time when the tourism industry needs a shot in the arm, perhaps the last thing the Immigration Bureau should do is resuscitate an outdated rule to make the lives of foreigners and Thais more difficult -- but that's what the bureau has done with the dreaded TM30 form.

The TM30 is a notification form for Thai landlords providing accommodation to foreigners to report their presence to the authorities within 24 hours, and every time the foreigner returns to the country.

Besides accommodation owners, the TM30 rule requires foreigners to report their nightly whereabouts, as and when they move around the country away from their primary residence, again within 24 hours.

The regulation has been on the books for 40 years, though it has not been enforced strictly until an abrupt decision by the powers-that-be at the Immigration Bureau on March 25 this year.
The regulation, Article 37 of the 1979 Immigration Act, is ostensibly to boost national security. Given increasing risks from terrorism, the bureau says it has come across cases of foreign criminals making extended stays in-country; hence the crackdown.

Terrorism and criminality are undoubtedly legitimate concerns and the bureau's heart is in the right place in wanting to prevent Thailand from becoming a safe haven for villains. Nevertheless, it is questionable whether the majority of people caught up in the TM30 dragnet -- Thai landlords, foreign retirees, foreigners married to Thais, and foreigners working in fields providing much-needed expertise, among others -- constitute a clear and present danger to national security.

Indeed, most have already been vetted by Immigration, and so should surely be on the list of "good guys", with reference to the bureau's slogan of "Good guys in, bad guys out". Long-term foreign stayers in Thailand, besides facing scrutiny by Immigration on an annual basis must already report their address every 90 days. Surely the current paperwork is already more than adequate to keep track of them?

Just last week, Acting Immigration Chief Pol Lt Sompong Chingduang declared that the TM30 process would continue to be imposed strictly, but that it could be done easily online or via an app. Sadly, neither the app nor the website appear to work reliably.

For expats, spending even one night away from a reported residence, including at a hospital, also requires a new TM30 form to be submitted within 24 hours. This stringent requirement has meant that many expats say they have simply stopped travelling around the country, with their own families or with friends from overseas.

Long-term expats were already having a horrendous year even before TM30 as regulations were also changed for applications for retirement visas. In exasperation at the enforcement of TM30, a group of foreigners in the Northeast launched a petition on Saturday calling for the requirement to be reviewed.
Some of the group's points are valid and merit serious attention from the authorities, specifically that: "Technology has become better and better, and reporting addresses on paper, in person, is not efficient and counterproductive."

Perhaps it would be better if the whole TM30 palaver were quietly reviewed, as the acting immigration chief appeared to hint at when questioned by the Bangkok Post on Monday, to make it "good guy"-friendly.

This blanket policy affecting the law-abiding majority will likely do little to help track down the "bad guys" -- terrorists and other criminals. And instead of the shot in the tourism industry arm that Thailand could really do with, TM30 seems more like a shot in the foot.

Originally Posted by bowie

The regulation has been on the books for 40 years, though it has not been enforced strictly until an abrupt decision by the powers-that-be at the Immigration Bureau on March 25 this year.

Change the regulation is the answer. No change and enforcement or no enforcement will come and go.