No more Brit Embassy income certification letters!

For several years now I've used an income verification affidavit from the US Embassy when obtaining by annual retirement visa extension at the Surin Immigration Office. They also have required copies of bank entries into my Bangkok Bank direct deposit account for one year. I would venture that with the end of income verification letters they will require a letter from my bank as further proof of income.
I know several guys who have obtained visa extension in Bangkok and Ayutthaya using only the Embassy letter without any other forms of verification. This loophole will certainly be coming to an end.

Okay, the information I got from the Immigration officers yesterday IS actually true

NO more Stat Dec's from the Auzzie Consulate anymore as of Jan 7th

https://teakdoor.com/attachment.php?a...id=22286&stc=1

This public service announcement provided by 'Just-Ask-Tod' <- the guy IS an asshole but he knows thingz

Now Todd, that is what I told you 4 years ago and anyone but you could see it coming.
Have you become any wiser during these 4 years or do you still think that the embassy letter route wasn't a loophole for Aussies, Britons, and Yanks?
Thai immigration obviously saw it as a loophole and required those countries embassies to close the hole.

https://teakdoor.com/thai-visas-and-v...ml#post2849665

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Originally Posted by Villa Market

Is he in Phuket this Tod fella?

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Bangkok.

...^and at CW every Thursday folks, waiting in line for you...meet him at lunch in the food court where he'll gladly tell you everything he knows...

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Originally Posted by tomcat

he'll gladly tell you everything he knowz...

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FTFY.

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Originally Posted by lom

Now Todd, that is what I told you 4 years ago and anyone but you could see it coming.

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I see your crystal ballz were correct IF 4 years early... you should buy a lottery ticket

Nope, no smarter at all, because I still don't take unsubstantiated rumors and conjecture from every Tom, Dick & Somchai here..

This has been in negotiations since at least the beginning of April between these consulates and the thai immigration office. Nothing was decided, and then the consulates just said, FUCK this we just won't issue the letter at all. <-Much like MANY consulates here that don't have that service and never had.

What do you want me to do, say you were right 4 years ago when you predicted it? Christ even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while, gimme a break

Or here, I admit you were right, I bow to your extremely finite wisdom.. Do you feel better now?

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Originally Posted by toddaniels

Or here, I admit you were right,

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Until the Thai Immigration Office issues the clarification, as to what will be accepted as "evidence" to substantiate the required monies, we are none the wiser.The Oz embassy fails to answer the question regarding the combined accepted alternative - cash in a Thai bank + annual pension payments.

The embassies have, as you suggest, washed their hands of the problem. As usual.

And nobody can claim they were or are right until the TIO issues it's directive.

Thank you for your response, Tod, it's much appreciated.

whats all the fuss about? it will only affect the liars and the scumbags. Those who had to pay outrageous fees for what seem to have been meaningless letters will be saving. I imagine it will push the potless to the visa fixers and that will be the next avenue to be shut down

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Originally Posted by toddaniels

I see your crystal ballz were correct IF 4 years early... you should buy a lottery ticket

Nope, no smarter at all, because I still don't take unsubstantiated rumors and conjecture from every Tom, Dick & Somchai here..

This has been in negotiations since at least the beginning of April between these consulates and the thai immigration office. Nothing was decided, and then the consulates just said, FUCK this we just won't issue the letter at all. <-Much like MANY consulates here that don't have that service and never had.

What do you want me to do, say you were right 4 years ago when you predicted it? Christ even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while, gimme a break

Or here, I admit you were right, I bow to your extremely finite wisdom.. Do you feel better now?

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Nonetheless, seems to be particular trend among certain representing diplomatic missions - US,UK, OZ [naturally, large resident population] - all followed suit in quick fashion.

Yet, nothing has been proclaimed [nor heard/read about] regarding other significant foreign resident populations - French? German? Norwegian?....etc.
What of their fate?

Just curious.
Keep on keeping on....

Obviously, the embassies have conspired to come up with the same bald statements that fail utterly to explain how this all came about. The issue remains inexplicable - the British since a decade ago, and the Australians from last year, stated that they would only issue income letters if they were supported by proof of pension receipt from the fucking pension provider (and if required, bank statements) and in anyone's book that's fucking verification. So, why the fuck are they both saying they can no longer do it?

Fraud

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Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

So, why the fuck are they both saying they can no longer do it?

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Does it really matter? Ours not to reason why, ours but to do and die

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Originally Posted by toddaniels

I see your crystal ballz were correct IF 4 years early.

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Crystal ball was away for service (dilithium crystal refill) at that time but was not needed anyway, the writing was on the wall.

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Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Obviously, the embassies have conspired to come up with the same bald statements that fail utterly to explain how this all came about. The issue remains inexplicable - the British since a decade ago, and the Australians from last year, stated that they would only issue income letters if they were supported by proof of pension receipt from the fucking pension provider (and if required, bank statements) and in anyone's book that's fucking verification. So, why the fuck are they both saying they can no longer do it?

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I see you have perfected the art of only listening while you are talking.

THE EMBASSY ALWAYS ISSUED LETTERS WITH A RIDER THAT THEY WERE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ACCURACY OF FINANCIAL STATEMENTS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT.

Its a simple measure to protect embassy staff from fraud charges. The Thais want probity in their dealings with applicants and the Brit system, presumably along with others, did not provide this.
Move the goalposts and let the problem lie where it falls. Thai can’t do it, and embassy’s will no longer do it.

Just wait and see what happens next year, when the current system fails to meet requirements.

Your personal struggles with comprehension and visa extensions are irrelevant. You will have to return home and write nasty letters to The Irish Times.

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Originally Posted by Dragonfly94

whats all the fuss about? it will only affect the liars and the scumbags. Those who had to pay outrageous fees for what seem to have been meaningless letters will be saving. I imagine it will push the potless to the visa fixers and that will be the next avenue to be shut down

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Er, do the visa fixers produce visas out of their magic hat, or via corrupt immigration officials? And considering these new conditions are intended as an anti-corruption measure, in your view will they reduce or increase corruption?

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Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Obviously, the embassies have conspired to come up with the same bald statements that fail utterly to explain how this all came about. The issue remains inexplicable - the British since a decade ago, and the Australians from last year, stated that they would only issue income letters if they were supported by proof of pension receipt from the fucking pension provider (and if required, bank statements) and in anyone's book that's fucking verification. So, why the fuck are they both saying they can no longer do it?

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This was covered earlier in the thread. The so-called verification letter verifies only that the embassy have seen 'evidence' of those amounts and sources; evidence is not proof, which is what our glorious leaders want.

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Originally Posted by jabir

evidence is not proof

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...certainly not, particularly when blatantly obvious corruption has been uncovered...

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Originally Posted by jabir

This was covered earlier in the thread. The so-called verification letter verifies only that the embassy have seen 'evidence' of those amounts and sources; evidence is not proof, which is what our glorious leaders want.

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And as I have already said, evidence is proof, they're fucking synonyms you dribbling swamp fart, but I suppose in your laboured neanderthal way you are struggling to reach in your mental fog the concept of differing burdens of proof according to whichever "test" might prevail, you dullard.

Not proof at all as faking statements has been going on for years, having to produce a Thai bank book and a letter from the Bank is another matter.

It does seem somewhat unfair that when obtaining a letter from ones embassy the letter is good for 6 months. Whereas 400-800,000 in the bank, the bank letter is only good for that one day. Totally wrong.

Totally Thailand :)

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Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

And as I have already said, evidence is proof, they're fucking synonyms you dribbling swamp fart, but I suppose in your laboured neanderthal way you are struggling to reach in your mental fog the concept of differing burdens of proof according to whichever "test" might prevail, you dullard.

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Ho hum...clearly English is not your first language.

But there's virtue in aiding the afflicted so let's try again: When two people or sets of documents provide conflicting evidence, which if either is proof?

Depending on how you approach it Prag, either by post or in person, the costs to obtain a consular letter can amount to several thousand baht and the investment in time and preparation in obtaining the necessary evidence in support. Getting a fucking Thai bank letter takes 10 fucking minutes and costs a pissing 100 baht.