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    Quote Originally Posted by toddaniels
    wearin' a pin with jump wings? Is it like "extra credit"
    Some wear "Combat Infantry," badges as well. What combat that might have been is surely imagined.

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    Having to do this one year extension of non-immigrant O soon (based upon marriage...no WP involved). O-Visa is one year multi-entry good for another 7mos. Have all of the documentation understood but don't see a specific form mentioned at the Thai Immigration FAQ. Is there one or is it just an issue of providing the evidence along with the passport/visa? Lovely but somewhat confusing place, Thailand. Thanks for any help. - Frawley

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    Extension of stay form?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frawley View Post
    Having to do this one year extension of non-immigrant O soon (based upon marriage...no WP involved). O-Visa is one year multi-entry good for another 7mos. Have all of the documentation understood but don't see a specific form mentioned at the Thai Immigration FAQ. Is there one or is it just an issue of providing the evidence along with the passport/visa? Lovely but somewhat confusing place, Thailand. Thanks for any help. - Frawley
    Forgive me for being thick, but I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, BUT;

    If you have a multi entry Non-Immigrant Type-O visa good for another 7 months what's the rush to apply for a year's extension of stay anytime soon?

    With the visa you have you just "run-4-the-border" and you receive another 90 day permission to stay until stamp. Plus with that visa IF you run-4-the-border just before the visa itself expires (written on the visa as "must be used by" or "must enter by" date) you'd get another 90 days. Most people with that visa get almost 15 months in country by doing so.

    There's no up-side to getting a yearly extension of stay based on marriage now because you've still got so much time left on the visa you have. I wouldn't apply for it until you have about 60 days left on your very last permission to stay until stamp that you can wring outta that visa..

    For the yearly extension based on marriage to a thai national; are you going to used 400K baht banked in thai bank in an account in your own name, or are you going to use a notarized letter from your embassy stating you have 40Kbaht a month income from your country? If you're going the banked money the 400K baht has to have been in there 60 days BEFORE you apply.

    Fill out form TM.7 from this website; Thai Immigrations The link to their forms is on the left

    in BANGKOK you'll need the following:
    • Letter from the embassy stating you have the required monthly income (40K baht) from your country
    OR
    • a letter from your thai bank stating you have 400K baht in the account
    You'll need copies of;
    • every page of the thai bank book (if you're going the banked money route)
    • the Kor Ror2 & 3 (thai marriage certificates),
    • your wife's thai i/d card
    • her house book
    • the picture (information) page of your passport
    • the page with the Non-O visa
    • the page with the current permission to stay until stamp
    • the TM6 departure card
    • a google map or hand drawn map to your house from immigrations
    You'd also need a couple pictures of the thai wedding ceremony, you and your wife standing in front of your house address numbers, pictures of you two sitting around the living-room or some other area of the house.

    You turn that pile 'o stuff in pay 1900baht and it goes under consideration for 30 days.. Now in reality during that 30 days Immigrations is supposed to come to your house and see that you're really married.

    Here in Bangkok I only know of one person that ever happened to. After the 30 days is up you go back to Immigrations and they stamp you in with a year's extension of stay.

    After that you'd need to buy a re-entry permit if you're gonna leave the country or you'd lose the extension when you left. Re-entry permits are 1000baht for a single and 3800baht for a multiple.

    Believe me it reads like a far more complicated procedure than it is in reality..

    Good Luck.

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    You have some balls mr Todd, don't think i'd fancy wearing one about town. Immigration seems less corrupt, but harder to get things done, they blame the govt of course. I took the above but they wanted every passport page and re register of address, told me the residency cert they gave me last year was only valid for two months, I think they made that up

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    ^
    I don't know that I'm any more ballsy than anyone else..

    I mean after all, Prayuth DID say to stop corruption. What's wrong with reminding people about it? Now the fact that I'm a white guy wearin' a t-shirt in thai seems to rub a specific demographic of thais the wrong way.

    It would appear those who are participating in the "let's wring money out of people" take the message the worst.

    I almost was going to try to translate the phrase "Don't hate the messenger, hate the message if you want." But I couldn't get it to read in a pithy succinct, snarky enough way in thai. It kept comin' out too clunky to be snarky..

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    I wish there were more people with your attitude than the idiots who think it's clever just to slide baht across the table when the slightest ploblum is brought up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    todd danielz

    unless I'm mistaken foreigners can't go from a 30 day visa exempt stamp to a single entry 90 day Non-O and then to a yearly extension based on being over 50 in Hua Hin anymore. Christ, even Chiang Mai and Jomtien can't do it, it's gotta be done in Bangkok..
    thats what they told the norwegian couple, you have got to go to bangkok immigration, but we can do it here for a consideration of 15000b, which is what they did.

    it was done in one day, 30 day visa exempt tourist to 12 month stay based on retirement. no bank deposit /proof of income statements, no other documentation, they used the figures from the previous years application that they had on their records i guess.


    we received a phone call from immig. the next day and went to pick up the passports. i was impressed.

    the 15000 they paid was less than the cost of the two or three day trip to bangkok with all the associated hotel costs, food costs, taxi fares, visa fees,document translation and verification fees, getting a new set of income verification documents from norway and the general disruption to the lives to two elderly people, one in a wheelchair.

    they would have been stupid not to have taken the offer.

    The fee was 15,000b per passport.



    Per passport is 30,000 baht. Damn good payday for the officer

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    You're right taxexile, it would have been stupid for them to make two trips to bangkok to get the Non-O and then get the year back down where they live..

    Still, this whole mix up came about because they didn't know they needed a re-entry permit to keep their extension of stay alive. So despite their advanced age (which cuts NO ice with me), this was a problem of their own making.

    Yeah, that was a damned good pay day for that officer!!
    Seeing as the "hard costs" associated with getting a 90 day Non-O, applying for a yearly extension and then applying for a multiple re-entry permit;
    Single Entry 90 day Non-O = 2000baht
    yearly extension of stay = 1900baht
    multiple re-entry permit = 3800baht
    TOTAL = 7700baht

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    Still, this whole mix up came about because they didn't know they needed a re-entry permit to keep their extension of stay alive. So despite their advanced age (which cuts NO ice with me), this was a problem of their own making.
    yes, it was a problem of their own making and they realised that.

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    The sad thing is, IF I ran into the same situation as that couple, I'da probably ponied up the money too.

    What I find sad (for foreigners here) is; the reason those satellite offices can't issue Non-O's anymore is because of the rampant abuse those offices have doing back-door, under-the-table, "nudge-nudge, know-what-I-mean, say-no-more" visas & extensions.

    REMEMBER: "A nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat"

    OFF TOPIC: Why does the video show when I preview the post and revert to a link when I post it? Am I just stupid? <-that is a rhetorical question..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slip
    Couldn't they just make the visa deal simpler
    They could and should but they won't. More money to be made by keeping it complcated.

    My thoughts:

    Quote Originally Posted by Slip
    regular reporting
    Need only be done when address changes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slip
    retirement visa - O-A - annual extensions
    Folks "living out their life" in Thailand should only need to extend every 5 years or so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slip
    almost impossible to get PR & citizenship - why?
    Xenophobia but many other countries make it difficult.

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    Well, Slip, you appear to be sadly misinformed on some of your info..

    As has been pointed out the entire process is a middle management personnel heavy license to print money!

    Re-entry permits - If they were free, they'd have to jack the price of extensions of stays up to cover the shortfall. Also raising the extension fees would piss off a LOT of the people who don't leave the country and thereby don't need a re-entry permit.

    90 Day Reporting - is free! Now that it can be done online and as more and more bugs are being worked out of the program it will only get better.

    P/R-Citizenship - contrary to your "almost impossible to get" assumption those two things are NOT fraught with peril nor almost impossible to get. True you meet the requirements for it or you don't, and at present IF you're over 50, not working legally, paying into the thai taxation system and filing income tax here, you can't do it.

    But, by the same token I know a TON of people here who hold P/R and more than a few who hold thai citizenship. I know some who went straight to thai citizenship based on working here and being married to a thai who never held P/R status.. Plus, once they take your application under consideration for P/R you get free extensions of stay until it's approved.

    Many types of visas <- which I take you mean "extensions".

    Most foreigners here fall into one of these categories; over 50, married to a thai, supporting thai/foreign children, supporting a foreign child in school here, business, volunteer or education..(so that's 7). It's NOT all that many categories and the reason they're split apart is each have their own financial criteria, documentation, etc for getting an extension of stay.

    Extensions of stay - well the way the rules are written right now, unless I'm mistaken you can't get an extension of stay for longer than a year at a time.

    There was talk amongst the big-wigz that they were gonna 're-vamp' the entire system from the ground up. They were going to account for younger affluent people who want to stay here but don't fit into one of the current categories. They were going to make the financial threshold much higher for them but give them extensions a year at a time thereby stopping the rampant "I live here on tourist visas" abuse.

    They were also going to make it easier for people married to thais, supporting children and being over 50. There was talk of an extension which last 1 year the first time, after that 3 years and then after that 5 years. They'd automatically come with multiple re-entry permits. Unless you moved you never had to do a 90 day report and if you did move you just had to report the change of address. It was also going to come with some mythical foreign i/d card with all your info on it to show you're legally here.. The price point they were talking about was between 20-25K baht per person per extension.

    As far as I know NOTHING came about from any of those bright ideas put forward. It was just pie-in-the-sky pipe dreams from what I can tell.

    So lemme ask you straight up.. Would you pay 25K baht for the first yearly extension of stay IF it had a multi re-entry permit, IF you didn't have to do 90 day reports unless you moved and IF the subsequent yearly extension you applied for would be good for 3 years?

    When I first heard the gossip about this a while ago, most of the foreigners I polled thought it was way too high..

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    Slip I hate to be the bearer of bad news but;

    IF indeed you've been here 10 years; unless you've been winging your way back to where ever you came from each year, coughing up 200USD and buying another Non-Immigrant Multi-Entry Type-OA (Long Stay) visa at a thai embassy, all you've been doin' is getting yearly extensions of stay inside the country on the first visa you started getting your extensions on. A visa which BTW would have expired LONG ago.

    Correct terminology is everything!! It is impossible to get a Non-Immigrant Type-OA Visa inside thailand, period, full stop, end of story.. Good try though

    Also, while only marginally of interest; despite the fact that immigrations at most places here in the country stamp the engrish word "retirement" on the yearly extension of stay in your passport, you're NOT getting that extension because you're retarded, err retired. You're getting it because you're over 50 and meet the financials. The category of that extension is called called ใช้ชีวิตบั้นปลาย <- use the end of your life..

    There is an interesting P/R case I'm following right now.. A guy has been here 10+ years ALWAYS on "use the end of your life" over 50 extensions.. He's also married to a thai. He is in the process of having a law firm file amended tax returns where he pays the required tax (in arrears) on the earnings he'd have needed all those years to qualify for P/R. He's going to pay the penalties for failure to file tax and then apply for P/R..

    Personally, in all the research I did on it I couldn't find a single example of someone doing this. However by the same token, I couldn't find in the regulations where it said you couldn't do this when applying for P/R.

    Time will tell..

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    The thing is; From my research on this, it appears the way the thai version of the rules are written it's NOT so much that you're working. It seems much more that they want you to have paid tax and filed tax returns on the minimum financial requirement for your nationality for the years leading up to you applying for P/R.

    I have no problem tellin' you that honestly I dunno.

    This foreigner is dead-set sure that this law firm can do it. I have no idea how much it's costing him, only that it's been goin' on for some time and that they missed last year's cut off date for filing his application for P/R.

    Interestingly enough most countries are allotted 100 spots for P/R applicants per year by thailand. The ONLY countries which always max out are China, India, and sometimes Japan & Korea. None of the western countries EVER max out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddaniels
    amended tax returns where he pays the required tax (in arrears) on the earnings he'd have needed all those years to qualify for P/R. He's going to pay the penalties for failure to file tax and then apply for P/R
    I know things change but don't recall taxes coming into the equation in the past.

    Short version. Was 3 years (extension to stay) on long stay visa to apply for PR. Then 10 years on PR to apply for citizenship.

    Given there is little benefit to PR, unless one is hot on getting citizenship, not worth the bother.

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    I think people need to go to an immigration office with an open mind and be prepared for the worst. That is make sure you have the correct paperwork and permissions, properly dressed, respectful like, even if you don't mean it. Smile and be polite.
    If the officer you see is new, ambitious, greedy or just having a bad day you will still become a victim of a beaurocracy with endless powers to phuck you around.
    Otherwise you will get lucky and have a nice day and maybe help the next one in the queue get similar treatment.
    Thai rules apply.

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    The fee you pay when you apply for P/R I think is 3800baht and you owe the 191Kbaht (if you're single or 90Kbaht if your married to a thai) once you're approved.

    If you're working and married to a thai for 5 years you can bypass P/R and go straight for thai citizenship.

    I dunno because it hasn't been anything I was interested in doing..

    Chassamui; do you read what you write before you post it?

    Dress properly, respectful like, smile and be polite..
    Christ I'd bite out my own veins before I did ANY of that kinda kowtowing to some paper-pushing thai government worker in a too tight uniform!

    KISS t-shirt, KISS ball-cap, Levi jeans, loud, borderline rude, impolite, never wai'd and still time after time I get shit done out there. I am NOT bragging, I'm saying me not doing any of what you said never got in the way with me dealing with those people at immigrations.

    Stop being one of those sheep-like, sock-puppet, wanna-b-thai, foreign suck ups here and grow a pair ferchristsakes.

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    It works just fine for me Todd, but then I'm not the shepherd that you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddaniels
    Stop being one of those sheep-like, sock-puppet, wanna-b-thai, foreign suck ups here and grow a pair ferchristsakes.
    Quote Originally Posted by toddaniels
    The sad thing is, IF I ran into the same situation as that couple, I'da probably ponied up the money too.
    Mmmm...contradiction.

    Either you pay under the table or not. It's very black and white.

    I've always said that you are one of the good guys Todz, but sometimes you come across as a plastic Andrew Biggs.

    On a side note. I do not have a Work Permit and have had 3 (three) 1 year extensions in a row without holding an ED visa or showing 400K baht in the bank for a Non "o" marriage extension of stay. I know of only 1 person that has gone the same route and am surprised not more people are doing it.

    If Tod is as good as he says he is, then he will report how it is done (100% legal, on your own, without any backdoors).
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    ^ I meant to say. How do I get P/R or residence without working and paying tax, but have 3 years of extensions?

    Reread my post this morning, and it seems a bit nasty towards Todz. Apologies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bogon
    How do I get P/R or residence without working and paying tax, but have 3 years of extensions?
    As I said the paying taxes and working is a new one for me. I was told by immigration a few years back I was eligible and I never worked or paid taxes after I retired. If still the case, you should be eligible. Go to immigration and ask.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    Go to immigration and ask
    Best advice.

    I too always thought that x number of consecutive tax returns was a requirement of pr but that will not be the first or the last time I have been wrong.

    Personally I would not advise going to a lawyer.
    I recently asked a well advertised one a specific question regarding my personal situation which I thought was relatively straightforward but not common. After receiving the information their response was 'we can't help you with that but here is a reference number should you wish any further information from us'
    I won't be appearing in their ads.

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    There is a good if mind numbingly long thread on T/V in the Thai visas, residency and work permits sub-forum called; "Camerata's Guide To The Permanent Residence Process".

    It is chock full of good information.

    Be warned you're gonna hafta wade thru the b/s crap, back-biting and naysayers to get the info, but I've not found anything as comprehensive googling around about it..

    Honestly, I ain't all that "up" on the P/R process, the criteria etc.

    And now for something completely different;
    I just had TWO - 90 day online reports go thru to "Pending" status!

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddaniels
    I just had TWO - 90 day online reports go thru to "Pending" status!
    Congrats. If at first you don't succeed..............
    Or keep sucking til you do succeed.

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