90 day report fee?

**ltnt** · 08-01-2015, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by toddaniels

Terry, please reverse the transfer of the 5K to "ltnt" and send it to me. They don't report in Bangkok!!! Last time I checked you're gonna report in and hold an address here, not there.

Backward Bangkok, Figures, they have to do business with all you punters.

**Boon Mee** · 08-01-2015, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by Evilbaz

At the Patong office you only need your passport.
The computer spits out a completed form, sign, slip pinned in passport and go.
(repeat reports ).

Same same Ayutthaya

**toddaniels** · 09-01-2015, 07:13 AM

Fondles; When I was at Chaengwattana yesterday I checked in the 90 day reporting room and indeed the signage stating the fines I'd posted earlier is gone.

What is different is now in Section 'L' where you get extensions of stay based on being old, being married to a thai or supporting a family there are notices taped to all the desks stating that an extension of stay is NOT a 90 day report, failure to report garners a 2000 baht fine and if you're caught out not reporting you can be arrested and charged a 4000 baht fine..

Sorry I didn't take a pic of the notice, but it's on EVERY desk in that section..

"ltnt": Indeed it's backwards, because they already have your information in the computer and scanning the bar code brings up your "profile page" on their monitor. Being nosy, I asked them if I could see the screen. It shows, name, age, country of origin, passport number, number of yearly extensions you've had, what type of extension you're on, all entries/exits into thailand under the current extension of stay, your address and if you've moved in the last year, your previous address. It's quite a step forward from what they used to have in the system..

Also, when you apply for a yearly extension of stay the officer can see IF you were doing 90 day reports too. Before the two systems (90 day reporting and extensions of stay) weren't linked together.. Evidently this ties into the signage on their desks to show that they now know if you're doing your 90 day reporting...

There's also a "new step" in the extension of stay process for being old (retirement). Previously after you got the stamp in your passport you took your paperwork to one of the three officers who have 3 stripes on their uniform (they're the gate keepers and run that section) so they could quickly review the paperwork and sign off. Now you give them the paperwork and then go back out and sit down. They bring the passport back to you after about 5 minutes...

Dunno why..

**Boon Mee** · 09-01-2015, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by toddaniels

... when you apply for a yearly extension of stay the officer can see IF you were doing 90 day reports too. Before the two systems (90 day reporting and extensions of stay) weren't linked together.. Evidently this ties into the signage on their desks to show that they now know if you're doing your 90 day reporting...

Had a notion this was going to come about. Was considering blowing off the 90 day reports and then pay a small fine down the road if/when Immigration was aware I hadn't been reporting.

The procedure you outlined - the "new step" has been in place even in the small Immigration office at Ayutthaya for 3 years now. It moves very quickly so long as you've got all your 'shit' together!

**ltnt** · 09-01-2015, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by toddaniels

Also, when you apply for a yearly extension of stay the officer can see IF you were doing 90 day reports too.

Years ago I went in for my retirement renewal visa and the officer asked me where my 90 day report was. I replied my what? He smiled and said, Mr. or Khun you must report every 90 days to Immigration. Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know that. He smiled and we filled out TM-47 together and he ripped the Immigration half off and stapled it in my passport. Thanks very much I said. He said You're welcome. Don't forget now...I smiled and said I won't. Phuket Immigration Offices, can you believe that? So from then on I've done my 90 day thing.

Originally Posted by toddaniels

Dunno why..

He's checking the paperwork for completeness before it reaches one of his lower echelon peers who may or may not know the paperwork required or read and comprehend English or other nationalities script I suspect.

My guys here in Chiang Rai have me hard wired to their computer as well. As they said, "You're in the System." I don't actually know if that's a good thing? Excellent English skills as well, clean offices, orderly, no crowds and no touts allowed. You might call it, "Civilized Immigration."

**toddaniels** · 09-01-2015, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by ltnt

He's checking the paperwork for completeness

Actually, at Chaengwattana Section 'L' where you get extensions for being old, being married to a thai or supporting kidz there are three women who run the section. They've got the most stripes on their uniforms and they're ALWAYS at the back desks you're directed to AFTER someone else has processed your paperwork and stamped the extension into your passport..

In talking to them today when I was there again, it appears that Nov-Dec-Jan are the busiest months for yearly extensions of stay in their section. There are between 6 and 8 front desk staff processing applications yet only 3 higher up signing off on them, this is where the back log comes from, plus now they have to have two sign off on the stamp as well. It slows it down..

Still from the time we sat down in front of the officer until we had my acquaintance's passport back signed off by the head-honcho wasn't more than 10 minutes.. Then again, I always show up with all my ducks in a row and quacking in time (including the secret forms needed in Bangkok but that you can't down load).

**Topper** · 09-01-2015, 04:46 PM

Todd, do you know if you can do a non-b for a farang at Lad Phrao?

**toddaniels** · 09-01-2015, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by CSFFan

Todd, do you know if you can do a non-b for a farang at Lad Phrao?

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but nope..

Every since Chaengwattana re-opened, all you can do at Lad Phrao and Major Suksawat are 90 day reports. All extensions of stay and issuing of visas are done there for Bangkok.

If the company you work for is one of those BOI companies you can go to that One Stop Service Center in the Chamchuri Square Building.. But if you're working for a non-BOI company they'll send you to Chaengwattana.

Still the people at Chaengwattana in the area which do Non-B extensions there know their stuff inside, outside, upside down, in a box with a fox. They are some sharp cookiez indeed.

I just had them walk me thru what's entailed document wise in getting a non-B extension of stay to match a work contract and they were really helpful.

**Fondles** · 09-01-2015, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by Fondles

Originally Posted by toddaniels;2933537.

Realize that the fine can be 5000baht PLUS 200 baht a day for every day you're late IF they want to take a hard line with you

Bullshit.

Show me where on the immgration website where it says that please.

Immigration Bureau

Originally Posted by toddaniels

Fondles; When I was at Chaengwattana yesterday I checked in the 90 day reporting room and failure to report garners a 2000 baht fine

Thanks for confirming what I already knew and what is posted on the immigration website.

**Boon Mee** · 16-01-2015, 07:47 AM

What's not posted on the Immigration website is the complete lack of organization that seems to exist within that 'agency'.

To wit:

Showed up at Ayutthaya Immigration yesterday with all paperwork completed and bank book up dated for my annual Non Imm O Visa renewal. Moved thru the two desks where at desk one, your picture is taken and superimposed on another form they provide. You pay your 5,700THB fee, and the whole bundle of extension forms and the smaller bundle of multi-entry forms are collated for desk #2. There, the gal writes out in a ledger book details of events that took place at desk #1.

Onward to desk #3 where the highest ranking Immigration Officer on site resides. In the case of Ayutthaya, it's a chick with the rank of Captain. Approaching said chick she displays an embarrassed countenance and I begin to get some bad vibes.

I'm asked to sit in a chair before her desk and said Captain asks if I can speak Thai. I acknowledge that I have enough to get thru any of her questions should she have any. Well, said Captain, continuing to appear embarrassed, picks up a brand new foot-thick book and begins to randomly leaf thru it all the time telling me she has to get the "Big Boss" to sign off on my Visa paperwork.

This news is slightly worrisome as Khun "Big Boss" is not anywhere in evidence. After some 5 or ten minutes of futilely attempting to locate K. "Big Boss" by telephone she tells me to return to desk #1 and turn in my reams of paperwork to the officer there who returns my money, tries to cancel the new Visa on his computer (fails) and tells me to call him Monday and perhaps K. "Big Boss" can sign off on my Visa.

At the end of the day I have a quite legal new Visa stamped into my passport along with the multi-entry stamp too so if I was to be of the criminal mind, I could just blow off the return to Immigration and go with what I've got but...they'd probably get me down the road at some point.

Todddaniels mentioned earlier that big changes are coming to Immigration. Didn't realize how big.

**toddaniels** · 16-01-2015, 08:31 AM

This is not uncommon, and routinely in those up-country offices you are told to come back on another day, to get the signature or they hold your passport until the afternoon when the "big boss" shows up to sign off on a stack o' passports.

No matter what immigrations tells you NONEม as in not a single bit of this run-around came about because of the coup or Prayuth being in power. Nor did it come about because of the new Immigrations boss either. Those smaller immigrations offices run like little fiefdoms of their own..

There is NO rhyme or reason as far as the imaginary rules which satellite immigrations offices think up as another hoop to make foreigners jump thru..

Some places run like a top, some places run like a cheap copy watch bought off the Sukhumvit from an indian watch seller..

Right now I'm compiling a list of the "errant practices" going on willy-nilly at various immigrations offices around the country.. I hope to find someone high enough up the food-chain to bring this stuff to light.. I've called several offices myself to question something I read on one or another forum.. Sometimes they man up and say they do it, sometimes they back pedal, make excuses and say it was a misunderstanding.

I am also amazed at the lack of even semi-coherent engrish at immigrations (even in Bangkok). Face it, if there's ANY government office which needs at least marginal engrish skills (or what passes for that here in thailand), it'd be the office which ONLY deals with foreigners day in day out...

Sad to hear about your experience Boon Mee. .

**Phuketrichard** · 16-01-2015, 08:59 AM

now at Phuket immigration, for a retirement extension, you do all the paperwork and are told to return the next day to pick up your passport
last year i was in and out in 30 minutes with stamp and re entry permit

Thank god i do it in June when its not so crowded with tourists

**Boon Mee** · 16-01-2015, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by toddaniels

This is not uncommon, and routinely in those up-country offices you are told to come back on another day, to get the signature or they hold your passport until the afternoon when the "big boss" shows up to sign off on a stack o' passports.

No matter what immigrations tells you NONEม as in not a single bit of this run-around came about because of the coup or Prayuth being in power. Nor did it come about because of the new Immigrations boss either. Those smaller immigrations offices run like little fiefdoms of their own..

There is NO rhyme or reason as far as the imaginary rules which satellite immigrations offices think up as another hoop to make foreigners jump thru..

Some places run like a top, some places run like a cheap copy watch bought off the Sukhumvit from an indian watch seller..

Right now I'm compiling a list of the "errant practices" going on willy-nilly at various immigrations offices around the country.. I hope to find someone high enough up the food-chain to bring this stuff to light.. I've called several offices myself to question something I read on one or another forum.. Sometimes they man up and say they do it, sometimes they back pedal, make excuses and say it was a misunderstanding.

I am also amazed at the lack of even semi-coherent engrish at immigrations (even in Bangkok). Face it, if there's ANY government office which needs at least marginal engrish skills (or what passes for that here in thailand), it'd be the office which ONLY deals with foreigners day in day out...

Sad to hear about your experience Boon Mee. .

Thanks for the condolences, todd.

What is unusual in yesterdays events is I've never had a bit of hassle with Ayutthaya Immigration for the past 5 years. Only one time did I fail to update my passbook before showing my face but that was easily remedied by walking about a block down the street from the Immigration office to the local Bangkok Bank and 5 minutes later I was being processed through.

Actually, I wouldn't really call Ayutthaya "up country" as it's almost a suburb of Bangkok and they have been consistent in their procedures throughout the years I've been dealing with them. The problem yesterday was caused by an organizational 'shakeup' within Immigration itself and they didn't have the individual on site to sign off. Mai mee pen ha - one has to have patience in this country in dealing with this sort of crap. It's just a bit of a hassle for me as it's a 1.5 hr drive over there one way.

Btw, talking about the lack of English...at Ayutthaya there's nobody that saa-peaks Engrish. Amazing in the year 2015 the lack of English-speaking Thais. Unreal.

**ltnt** · 16-01-2015, 10:47 AM

Big man only shows up on specific days...ask them what days? Chiang Rai Immigration processes visas on Mondays and Wednesdays only! English speakers abound. Friendly and courteous...of course things change...I also use option B, Mae Sai Immigration. Limited English sets, but valued officers in abundance...mostly females...I like that!

**boloa** · 18-01-2015, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

If doing a postal report at Kap Cheong Immigration these are the papers they require.

1. Old TM 47. Not a copy, but you keep a copy.
2. SAE, for return to your registered address.
3. Copy of your Passport. Photo page.
4. Copy of your current visa/extension.
5. Copy of your Departure Card.

After my missus was given the list she was told not to forget to put some 'Tea Money' in as well.

Well I thought it funny but my missus says 'better to do that than have them mess you around'.

Two quotes from a local forum who's members use KCI......

JanAndersLarsson posts.... 90-days report by mail.

I haven't succeeded yet. My first attempt in late August resulted in an empty return envelope. When I travelled down to Kap Choeng to ask why I was informed that maybe I should have shown my gratitude for their excellent service.
My next try (with a show of gratitude included) was late December with report date January 9. I still haven't got any response from them.
They say in their info that "Waiting for reply mail over 1 month, please contact Immigration Office with your registered mail receipt".
I sent my papers by registered mail as KCI state in their info about how to report. I guess it is as good as EMS.
Do you know how much would be proper to show my gratitude ?

toffo posts.... Did my report by mail just over 3 months ago.. Got a phone call saying I had to go next time.. I asked why and they said just in case your Dead... Very very stupid and dumb excuse.. They returned it all good by mail.. Went last week to do the report after the last and I was in and out and Another 3 hours return trip wasted..
Before I went I called them again to see if I could report by mail again only to be told NO.. Their excuse was that things get lost in the post and I have to go there.. I thought that's what recorded post was for.... Obviouslthey don't follow their own rules but make them up as they go along..

**toddaniels** · 19-01-2015, 02:50 PM

Interestingly enough I just called Kap Choeng (กาบเชิง) Immigrations asked about 90 day reporting by registered mail.

The first gurl I talked to was sweet as pie, especially as I told her I can speak thai just with a guava (ฝรั่ง thai f-word) accent (using the Isaan word for guava bak-see-daa บักสีดา). However when she transferred my call to another guy he BIT my fucking head off!!

I had to stop his half assed engrish rant and tell him to first to speak thai because there was no need for him or me to suffer, and secondly listen to my questions. He took those comments poorly, but surprisingly enough did switch and speak thai.

He said in the past they used to allow 90 days by mail (and/or allow someone else to do it for you too), but due to the mail getting lost and them not being sure you were still alive (I swear that's what he said!!) they now require people to go in person either 7 days before or 7 days after your due date.

When I mentioned I'd lived in Bangkok but recently moved to Surin and wanted to know what was what, he lightened up, but still, he was "showing his power". I even said in thai "Hey, listen up boss, there's no need to yell or show power to me, I am tryin' to follow your rules okay?".

Honestly, I think it went as well as a conversation where you argue with some thai in an imagined position of authority can go. I think the fact I didn't take shit off of him riled him up some.

Still I'm glad I used my phone with the b/s SIM card for the call instead of the number registered to my name. I'm always leery if they have caller i/d on their land lines.

I sincerely feel sorry if you guys gotta deal with that wing nut...

**Pragmatic** · 19-01-2015, 04:48 PM

Your post doesn't surprise me Tod. Anyway, my 90 day report is due 21 Jan so I'll be going on Thursday to KCI and I'll report back regarding their attitude. Why am I physically going when I've stated that they accept postal reports? The missus wants to go to the market 5+km further on.

**Pragmatic** · 19-01-2015, 05:02 PM

Here ya go Tod phone this guy.

Kap Choeng Immigration Update - Isaan Forum - Thailand Forum

**taxexile** · 19-01-2015, 05:05 PM

"Hey, listen up boss, there's no need to yell or show power to me, I am tryin' to follow your rules okay?".

how do you say that in colloquial but non offensive thai

**Boon Mee** · 19-01-2015, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by taxexile

"Hey, listen up boss, there's no need to yell or show power to me, I am tryin' to follow your rules okay?".

how do you say that in colloquial but non offensive thai

"Ah Heeah" or more effectively "Mung A Heeah"

**toddaniels** · 19-01-2015, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by taxexile

"Hey, listen up boss, there's no need to yell or show power to me, I am tryin' to follow your rules okay?".

how do you say that in colloquial but non offensive thai

Honestly, it's totally colloquial, but I don't know how non-offensive it was!

It's pretty terse, blunt and to the point.. I'm sure he's not used to bein' talked to like that by a foreigner. . .

ฟังนะ บอสส์! ไม่ต้องตะโกน ไม่ต้องโชว์พาวด้วยน่ะ เราพยายามตามกฎระเบียบถูกต้อง ตม.สาขากาบเชิง

It translates closer as this..

Listen up Boss! (you) don't have to yell, (you) don't have to show power as well. I'm trying to follow the regulations correctly for Immigrations at the Kap Choeng branch.

BTW: I did use the thai phrase โชว์พาว which is actually the english word "show" and the first syllable of the word power "pow" pronounced as "show-pow". It translates in thai as "flex your muscles"..
That's me, changing thaiz one thai at a time! 65 million more of 'em to go and my job is finished here!

**thaimeme** · 19-01-2015, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by taxexile

"Hey, listen up boss, there's no need to yell or show power to me, I am tryin' to follow your rules okay?".

how do you say that in colloquial but non offensive thai

"Ah Heeah" or more effectively "Mung A Heeah"

Indeed...
Need to charm them up, firstly.

**Norton** · 19-01-2015, 09:42 PM

Originally Posted by toddaniels

Right now I'm compiling a list of the "errant practices"

Make sure Amnat Charoen office is on your good guys list. Excellent service. Helpful. Courteous. By the book. Go in with ducks in line and your out in 20 mins.

**Topper** · 19-01-2015, 09:44 PM

The wife and I went to Lad Phrao immi to do her 90 day report. There were exactly 14 people waiting in the front area and only one person in the queue in front of the wife.

In and out, 10 minutes.

**terry57** · 19-01-2015, 09:49 PM

^

Good news that, I'm going next week to my first ever 90 day report.

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