Thread: Savannakhet Marriage Visa without funds, last week

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Many thanks Todd for your reply I will give Sav a call

Sorry Tod forgot to ask do you need the UK Marriage Certificate translated and verified in order to register the marriage at your local amphur.

that's my exact question as well BD, so will wait for tod to reply and look forward to the answer

Sorry Tod forgot to ask do you need the UK Marriage Certificate translated and verified in order to register the marriage at your local Amphur.

The real question is WHY are you registering your marriage at the local Amphur? I mean you're already married!!!

Now, this information is for INSIDE thailand dealing with ANY governmental office.

You take your original foreign marriage certificate to any number of translation places, get it translated into Thai. Take that to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs out at Chaengwattana have it certified as an "official" translation. With that certified paperwork you can do anything you want to. I know you can get yearly extensions of stay based on marriage at immigrations in Bangkok using it as I've seen people do it..

You certainly DON'T need to "get married again" which is what registering the marriage at the local Amphur is. Thailand recognizes foreign marriages from abroad. You wife can even apply to change her surname to yours without ever registering the marriage at the Amphur..

Plus IF you go to the local Amphur to register your marriage (especially when you're already married) you're still going to need that "affirmation of freedom to marry" form from your embassy. I know it doesn't make sense, but from what I recall to register it at the Amphur in thailand you need that.

What I don't know and what the real question is;
Will the Thai Consulate in Savannakhet accept a translated and certified copy from the MFA of a foreign marriage certificate as valid proof of marriage to issue a year long multi-entry Non-O based on marriage to a thai national... <-that's the thing we're tryin' to hash out.

I just tried to call Savannakhet to check but can't get thru.. Sorry I couldn't help more.. Still it'd be good to know, so if someone finds out, post it.

Many thanks again Tod your efforts are much appreciated.

Okay, I tried Savannaket like 5 times today and couldn't get thru.

Then I called Immigrations at Bangkok to see how foreigners get extensions of stay based on marriage after being married in a foreign country without getting "re-married" here in thailand.

It's pretty much the same as I outlined, your marriage certificate translated into thai certified by the MFA and presented to Immigrations works to show you're married without getting "re-married" in thailand by registering it at the Amphur.

WHAT I STILL DON'T KNOW IS: will the same set of documents will be accepted at Savannakhet..

Until I can talk directly to the Thai Consulate in Savannakhet I just don't know the real answer.. I'd say it "should" work but it is my direct experience that each Thai Embassy/Consulate scattered hither and yon around the globe seem to do things all a little bit different.

I don't wanna send you on a wild goose chase, err I mean a wild visa chase if it won't fly for you..

I'll try again tomorrow.

Personally don't see the problem with registering with the Amphor, if they will do it.
You can't really get an embassy letter to say your free to marry, if you are all ready married.
If they except the overseas marriage paper work, 10 minutes 1 or 200 Bt and its done.
Doesn't hurt to ask and a friend with some pull may help, if you have one.

The real question james is WHY would you get "re-married" in thailand which is what "registering at the Amphur" is, when you've already been married?

If you do that, they don't list the date on the คร.๒/คร.๓ as the day you got married in your country but use the date you go to the Amphur.

Getting married AGAIN in thailand if you've already gotten married where ever it is you come from doesn't help you, doesn't help your wife, and just plain doesn't make sense.

As I said, for yearly extensions of stay based on marriage to a tiger, err thai gurl, you don't need to have been married here. Immigrations at Chaengwattana accepts the translated stamped thai copy of your foreign marriage certificate without a problem.

FWIW: the Thai Consulate in Savannakhet still won't answer any number I can find on the inter-web for them.. I'm fixin' to throw in the towel on it..

TD, may be web sight has not been updated since they moved to the new place.

Oh, yeah, that's right they did move to the new building a while back...

Good one james I didn't even think of that..

Tod, if extending a non o based on family at chaeng wattana, do i have to take the kids with me?

cheers.

Tarquin Chucklefucc:
The short answer is yes, you gotta lug the kids there, because they're the reason you're getting an extension of stay..

The question(s) I have are;
So you're not getting an extension of stay based on marriage to a Thai national right?

I take that to mean that you're not married to the children's mother? Instead you're going for it because you're the father of half-thai kids, legally adopted full blood thai kids thru the court system, or have foreign children in school here in Thailand.

IF the reason is because you're the father of half thai kids, do you have "legal parental rights"? Just having your name on the birth certificate doesn't bestow any parental rights on you in the eyez of the thaiz, whether you support them 100% or not. Do you have the ledger notation where they were registered at the local Amphur with you as the father OR did you and their mother go to court and get the court order which gives you at least 50% parental rights? Those two documents are the crux of what is needed to garner extensions of stay based on supporting kids.

There are two clauses which you could "qualify" for a yearly extension of stay based on kids. One is Clause 2.11 where the kids are attending school and the other is 2.18 known as the "family" clause. Each have different criteria as far as financials. Unless I'm mistaken, both of those clauses will require you to have legally acquired parental rights, in addition to being listed as the father on the birth certificate.

I'd need more information to really pin down what you're required to show and what you'd need as documentation. Still any way you push that extension, the kids would hafta at least be there when you apply..

Originally Posted by DBell

Kor Ror 2 Kor Ror 3 (Marriage Cert.)

Whats the difference Tod?

Originally Posted by ltnt

Kor Ror 2 Kor Ror 3 (Marriage Cert.) Whats the difference Tod?

They're both just A4 pieces of paper.
Here's the Kor Ror 3 (คร.๓) it's the fancy (suitable for framing one).

The Kor Ror 2 (คร.๒) is just a plain piece of paper with the information filled in.

It's the one you can go to the Amphur and have them re-print for you..

Tarquin if below this is your situation as described by Toddaniels then I have outlined the steps I had to go through in the family room in order to obtain "legal parental rights" (and obligations)

https://teakdoor.com/the-family-room/...f-a-child.html

Originally Posted by toddaniels

IF the reason is because you're the father of half thai kids, do you have "legal parental rights"? Just having your name on the birth certificate doesn't bestow any parental rights on you in the eyez of the thaiz, whether you support them 100% or not. Do you have the ledger notation where they were registered at the local Amphur with you as the father OR did you and their mother go to court and get the court order which gives you at least 50% parental rights? Those two documents are the crux of what is needed to garner extensions of stay based on supporting kids.

Originally Posted by toddaniels

They're both just A4 pieces of paper.

Thanks Tod, I've got both, just didn't know the doc. names it seems.

Okay, I finally called the Ministry of Foreign Affairs at the government complex in Bangkok, because they oversee the thai embassies/consulates scattered around the world.

Here's a number they gave me for the Thai Consulate in Savannakhet which BTW, does work, is answered and if you press 9 answered by someone who speaks engrish too!

(856-41) 212-080

Unfortunately, I wasn't calling about if you can use a foreign marriage certificate along with a certified translation to get a year long multi-entry Non-O..

Sorry I needed some other information on an issue I'm foolin' with.

BUT, that number DOES work; so if inquiring minds wanna know, give 'em a call.

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Thanks for that Todd I will give them a call

Okay, this is what I found out about people who've gotten married to thaiz overseas in their country but want the marriage recognized here.

I kept saying IF you go the standard route, where you register the marriage and get that Kor Ror 2 & 3 form you are indeed getting married AGAIN in thailand. It will have the date you registered at the Amphur as your marriage date NOT the date you originally got married in your country. Seeing as you're already married, I can't understand why you'd wanna "get married again"..

There is a specific form a Kor Ror 22 which recognizes marriages from abroad AND notes the real date you got married in your country. You need your original marriage certificate translated into Thai and certified by the MFA, then you take that to the Amphur, do the Kor Ror 22.. They'll notate in the Amphur register that you got married abroad. The copy of the notation in the ledger and that Kor Ror 22 is what you need to show the embassy and Immigrations you're married.

I knew there was no reason to get married again, I just didn't know how to get marriages to thaiz abroad recognized here. It took some digging, but now I do.. And so do you too..

Originally Posted by toddaniels

Okay, this is what I found out about people who've gotten married to thaiz overseas in their country but want the marriage recognized here.

I kept saying IF you go the standard route, where you register the marriage and get that Kor Ror 2 & 3 form you are indeed getting married AGAIN in thailand. It will have the date you registered at the Amphur as your marriage date NOT the date you originally got married in your country. Seeing as you're already married, I can't understand why you'd wanna "get married again"..

There is a specific form a Kor Ror 22 which recognizes marriages from abroad AND notes the real date you got married in your country. You need your original marriage certificate translated into Thai and certified by the MFA, then you take that to the Amphur, do the Kor Ror 22.. They'll notate in the Amphur register that you got married abroad. The copy of the notation in the ledger and that Kor Ror 22 is what you need to show the embassy and Immigrations you're married.

I knew there was no reason to get married again, I just didn't know how to get marriages to thaiz abroad recognized here. It took some digging, but now I do.. And so do you too..

Think you would need some help at some of the smaller Amphors, mine at first refused to put the kids names on the house book because they had English names.
They had never done an overseas born Thai child, made me laugh, BILs kid's name is Enfield [Liverpool football ground] took a few visits and the district Gov. to get it done.
If they're not sure, stall and hope they go away. Jim

James; you'd definitely need help at a small Amphur! In fact it could be akin to tryin' to push a rope! I'd google in thai what you're tryin' to do, believe me the thai language only forums have the question asked and answered. It's how I found about the Kor Ror 22 information. . .

Even here in Bangkok at Bang Rak บางรัก district, which marries the most people in the country hands down, (so many in fact they're open 24 hours on Valentine's Day!) it took me the better part of an hour to suss out the คร.22 way to register a marriage from abroad. They kept tryin' to sell me on the "get married again" way with the คร.2 & 3..

As I already had an idea of what I was tryin' to do before I went there I wasn't buyin' off on what they were selling and had to bounce between people until I found someone who knew what I was talking about!

Good Luck,

Originally Posted by jamescollister

BILs kid's name is Enfield [Liverpool football ground]

James I don't wish to appear pedantic but Anfield is the Liverpool football ground. Enfield is a town in the northern outskirts of London and a rifle.

I only hope your bil got to give his son the name he wanted if not he should consider himself lucky it wasn't a tatoo

Originally Posted by Happy As Larry

Originally Posted by jamescollister

BILs kid's name is Enfield [Liverpool football ground]

James I don't wish to appear pedantic but Anfield is the Liverpool football ground. Enfield is a town in the northern outskirts of London and a rifle.

I only hope your bil got to give his son the name he wanted if not he should consider himself lucky it wasn't a tatoo

Correct and I should know better, lived there once. Jim