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    Is it that easy ?

    Last week I was in HK and I visited the Thai consulate to gather information on how to obtain a long term visa. I was focussed on a retirement visa but when the lady who received me learned I was married to a Thai national, she told me to go for a dependent visa, much easier and straight forward. I just need a copy of the marriage certificate, my wife id card and blue book and within two days I can get a 90 days visa. Then once in Thailand I just have to ask for an extension. The lady was quite nice and helpful and for her it was very easy and straight forward.

    Is there anything she was missing or is it that easy ? Where can I get more information about the documents required for an extension in Bangkok ?
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    Non-O Visa based on marriage.

    ID Hers.
    Yellow Book, Hers
    Marriage Cert
    Kor Ror 2. (Extract of marriage record)


    When you extend you need all the same and proof of 400k baht in the bank for at least 2 months. If it has been there for two months they will give you a 60 day extension to let it mature.

    The first time you extend, they will also want to see recent photos of the two of you outside your house, a map showing where you live and MAY ask for a written statement from a neighbor attesting that you are living together and man and wife. They will sk for the latter in lieu of coming out for an inspection.
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    You will also have to show your bed sheets and your wife Gstrings...

    Ridiculous questions will be asked and you will prefer to go to Laos every 90 days than having to deal with these monkeys anymore...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perota
    Is there anything she was missing or is it that easy ?
    If you qualify for the "retirement" option do it. The marriage option is fraught with problems when you extend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Perota
    Is there anything she was missing or is it that easy ?
    If you qualify for the "retirement" option do it. The marriage option is fraught with problems when you extend.
    That's actually my question. What kind of problems ?

    The lady at the Thai consulate in HK sounded very confident when she advised me to go the marriage option instead of the retirement visa. She said for the retirement visa I will have to provide much more documents. The only issue will be, because we were married in HK, to have the marriage certificate translated to apply for extension in Thailand but beside she said it was much easier than the retirement visa, for which I qualify too.

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    I'm on a marriage visa and I've never had any problems or personal questions. The paperwork is a bit of a pain in the arse - small changes can catch you out (last time I went they had changed the rules about the letter confirming your bank balance) and there's a lot of sitting around waiting. Whether that's any different with a retirement visa, I don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perota
    What kind of problems ?
    The lady in the HK office is not in every Immigration office in Thailand.
    I know at least five people who where subjected to all manner of probing questions and requests for additional paperwork before granted extensions. Never know what they might ask for at any given office. Everything from pics of you and the wife sitting on a bed together to documents proving you actually live together.

    For retirement, all they want to see is money in the bank or proof of monthly income.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perota View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perota
    Is there anything she was missing or is it that easy ?
    If you qualify for the "retirement" option do it. The marriage option is fraught with problems when you extend.
    That's actually my question. What kind of problems ?

    The lady at the Thai consulate in HK sounded very confident when she advised me to go the marriage option instead of the retirement visa. She said for the retirement visa I will have to provide much more documents. The only issue will be, because we were married in HK, to have the marriage certificate translated to apply for extension in Thailand but beside she said it was much easier than the retirement visa, for which I qualify too.

    Retirement is much less of a paperwork hassle.
    If you can do the 800k in the bank or 40k(?) a month income do that instead of marriage.

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    Money in the bank, the only problem will be to open a bank account because so far all the banks I visited said because of some new legislation they won't open an account for a foreigner without a work permit ...

    By the way do you have to show how you bring the money to Thailand, like an official TT receipt ? Because with the bank exchange rate plus transfert fees compared to the rate you get for cash with super rich, for 400k or 800 K it makes a nice difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zooheekock View Post
    I'm on a marriage visa and I've never had any problems or personal questions. The paperwork is a bit of a pain in the arse - small changes can catch you out (last time I went they had changed the rules about the letter confirming your bank balance) and there's a lot of sitting around waiting. Whether that's any different with a retirement visa, I don't know.
    Where did you apply ? I heard the main custom office is in Chaeng Wattana, that would be very convenient because I live nearby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perota
    Money in the bank, the only problem will be to open a bank account because so far all the banks I visited said because of some new legislation they won't open an account for a foreigner without a work permit ...
    Kasikorn are usually helpful. But as with everything here, every branch likes to do stuff differently.

    Quote Originally Posted by Perota
    By the way do you have to show how you bring the money to Thailand, like an official TT receipt ?
    No. Use Super Rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog
    every branch likes to do stuff differently.
    Yep. Trick is to keep visiting until you find a branch that says. No probrem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perota View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Zooheekock View Post
    I'm on a marriage visa and I've never had any problems or personal questions. The paperwork is a bit of a pain in the arse - small changes can catch you out (last time I went they had changed the rules about the letter confirming your bank balance) and there's a lot of sitting around waiting. Whether that's any different with a retirement visa, I don't know.
    Where did you apply ? I heard the main custom office is in Chaeng Wattana, that would be very convenient because I live nearby.
    Chiang Mai, so probably not entirely convenient for you.

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    If the marriage VISA is easier to get then go for it.
    When the time comes for your EXTENSION then you can extend on the grounds of retirement because it's easier than a marriage extension

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    Or,,,,,,you can forget the bank and use embassey letter as proof of funds

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Perota
    What kind of problems ?
    The lady in the HK office is not in every Immigration office in Thailand.
    I know at least five people who where subjected to all manner of probing questions and requests for additional paperwork before granted extensions. Never know what they might ask for at any given office. Everything from pics of you and the wife sitting on a bed together to documents proving you actually live together.

    For retirement, all they want to see is money in the bank or proof of monthly income.
    Yep...know one couple who do the 'Marriage Visa' thing and they have to jump thru all kinds of embarrassing hoops like giving Immigration photos of their bedroom etc. The 'Retirement Visa' is the best way to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thetyim View Post
    If the marriage VISA is easier to get then go for it.
    When the time comes for your EXTENSION then you can extend on the grounds of retirement because it's easier than a marriage extension

    Thanks. That's what I was thinking about.

    Embassy in HK says you need a lot of docs to get a retirement visa, like medical certificate, police report ... that are not needed for a marriage visa. Then I may do as you say, go for a marriage visa in HK then look for a retirement extension in Bangkok if it's easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perota
    go for a marriage visa in HK
    You will receive a Non Immigrant O visa in HK. Good for 90 days. Within 90 days apply for extension to stay.

    Quote Originally Posted by Perota
    Embassy in HK says you need a lot of docs to get a retirement visa, like medical certificate, police report
    No need for med cert or police report but will need a letter from your wife stating you are married.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    No need for med cert or police report
    I think you will find they are needed

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    Could be. Maybe the nice lady in HK will remember it's required. If so, best go for the retirement option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Perota
    go for a marriage visa in HK
    You will receive a Non Immigrant O visa in HK. Good for 90 days. Within 90 days apply for extension to stay.
    That's the original idea

    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
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    Embassy in HK says you need a lot of docs to get a retirement visa, like medical certificate, police report
    No need for med cert or police report but will need a letter from your wife stating you are married.
    They ask for the copy of the HK marriage certificate + copy of the id card and passport and blue book. It should be enough but if they need a letter on top, it's no big deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Thetyim View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Norton
    No need for med cert or police report
    I think you will find they are needed
    The lady at the embassy specifically mentioned that it was the difference between the two visas, marriage and retirement, not need these additional documents. But you're right, if they are needed, I will probably go straight for the retirement visa.

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    An other question, are both these visas multi entries ? I need to travel at least every other month. To stay 90 days without leaving Thailand would be a problem, I really need a multi entry.

    An other thing to consider is that I have an APEC card. Every time I come I get an automatic 90 days visa. I've been using it for the past few years without problem, mainly to get access to the priority lane. I'm just afraid that now that I spend 90% of my time in Thailand, after a while the immigration may start asking question at the border. Does anybody has experience with this kind of APEC visa ?

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    Just so we're totally clear on this beat to death subject;

    There is NO such animal as a "Retirement Visa" or a "Marriage Visa" for Thailand, period!!! There are extensions of stay granted at a year at a time, but they are NOT visas.

    BOTH are nothing more than Non-Immigrant Type-O visas; they're just for different reasons (three reasons actually; married to a thai national, being over 50 and living out the end of your life, or supporting a half thai half whatever child).

    Mostly now, the Thai Embassies/Consulates located in neighboring S/E Asian countries, about the best you're gonna get is a single entry 90 day Non-O. The ONLY Thai consulate handing out year long Non-O visas willy-nilly (for marriage to a thai national) is Savanakhet Lao...

    Now before the nay-sayers come out in force! There is a Non-Immigrant Type OA (which you get in the country where you passport came from) and that is actually called a "long stay" visa (but folks call it a retirement visa) and it's good for a solid year (two years if you play the dates right). It's the one which requires a police background check and quite a bit more documentation..

    You can ask for a multi-entry year long, and as you know (or appear to know) that will limit your stays inside the country to 90 days at a time. After that you "run-4-the-border" (as in exit thailand, enter another country, exit that country and re-enter thailand) to get another 90 day stamp.

    As far as that APEC card; no one ( as in no one that I've talked to at Immigrations) knows how long the APEC card will still work. I know quite a few foreigners who hold one, but it's anyone's guess how much longer it'll really work for you comin' in and outta the country. I'd say; use it until it won't work anymore.. And no, no one cares how long you've been inside Thailand. As long as you follow the restrictions and rules for cardholders, you're fine. Unless you're doing some dodgy stuff, no one at Immigrations will care. Actually I really think you mean "Passport Control" when you enter the country, NOT Thai Immigrations inside the country.. But what ever floats your boat as far as nomenclature. . .

    As an aside about a bank account: just because one branch of a particular bank won't open an account for you doesn't mean that another branch down the street won't do it.. TIT (this is thailand). Policy at branch's of ALL the banks here are decided by the manager of that branch. Look around, walk around, check for yourself.

    One more thing, your "signature" says "Bangkok, Korat" but the real question is "what country is on you passport"?? I can't be bothered to read all your previous posts to figure it out. Hong Kong is not the most "user friendly" Thai Embassy/Consulate in S/E Asia. Unless you are in Hong Kong, I wouldn't waste the time it takes talkin' to them.. They're tough as nails, and dumb as a box 'o rocks when it comes to what's what about visas for Thailand..

    Then again, that's my opinion after talkin' to them IN Thai.. As I said, what ever floats your boat... ..

    Still good luck man.. ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by toddaniels View Post

    One more thing, your "signature" says "Bangkok, Korat" but the real question is "what country is on you passport"?? I can't be bothered to read all your previous posts to figure it out. Hong Kong is not the most "user friendly" Thai Embassy/Consulate in S/E Asia. Unless you are in Hong Kong, I wouldn't waste the time it takes talkin' to them.. They're tough as nails, and dumb as a box 'o rocks when it comes to what's what about visas for Thailand..
    I read that too, that HK was not an easy place to apply for a visa.

    I've an european passport but I'm also HK permanent resident, that's how I qualify for an APEC card, and as such I can also apply for a visa in HK instead of having to go back to my birth country. Technically I'm eligible for a Chinese passport but then I would have to give up my current passport. So far I've heard of only two westerners who did it, both for political reason, one of them being Allan Zemman, Mr Lan Kwai Fong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toddaniels View Post

    You can ask for a multi-entry year long, and as you know (or appear to know) that will limit your stays inside the country to 90 days at a time. After that you "run-4-the-border" (as in exit thailand, enter another country, exit that country and re-enter thailand) to get another 90 day stamp.
    Regarding the multi entry visa, what I was talking about is a visa that let you go in and out of the country as many time as you went during a given period. I will probably need to travel back to HK almost on a monthly basis, if it's only good for 4 entries within an one year period, I may need to apply for a new visa before 6 month.

    Sorry, there are a lot of "if" in my post because I just stated my "retirement" and I don't really know how I'm going to manage my time in the coming month/years. I just try to cover all the bases in order not to be caught one side or the other of the border because I don't have the right documents.

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