Thread: Getting an Aussie passport for your child

Australian Citizenship and Passport

In fact, you could have done the details as you did the Citizenship by Natural Descent certificate at the same time.

ie.

1. Apply for Citizenship on your child's behalf your child. (need to collect the documents from the Embassy as they cannot be downloaded.) Needs lots of supporting documents, witness and a small cost. All info of documents needed are listed on their website.

Pick up forms for passport at same time. Takes about two weeks.

2. As you return to the embassy to pick up your Certificate, you can drop off forms for the passport, drop off certificate you just picked up and pay about $175 or so.

3. Pick up passport and certificate when ready.

in the old days, all you needed to become an Aussie citizen was to steal a sheep

Originally Posted by 9999

Before getting an Aussie passport, you need to get citizenship for your child. This sucks as it means two trips to BKK if you don't live there. There's another thread I did in here about the citizenship process here:

I elected to get my kids a 12 month tourist visa cos I'm going back for a while and I thought it would be quicker in Perth for citizenship and passport.

Originally Posted by DrAndy

in the old days, all you needed to become an Aussie citizen was to steal a sheep

In the UK??

One point to remember is that Thais don't need the lobotomy.

Originally Posted by Marmite the Dog

One point to remember is that Thais don't need the lobotomy.

Marmite, you've worn that one out old son.....

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

As you return to the embassy to pick up your Certificate, you can drop off forms for the passport, drop off certificate you just picked up and pay about $175 or so.

Noted, though we had our citizenship certificate mailed to us.

Originally Posted by DrAndy

in the old days, all you needed to become an Aussie citizen was to steal a sheep

That's good for you Doc, though I think you meant a loaf of bread. Sheep stealing, I'd imagine, was a hang/draw and quarter job in those fine old days in blighty.

Originally Posted by Wizard of Oz

Well I am in the same process of getting citizenship and passport for my newborn. Never knew that she needed citizenship first. Anyway went to the embassy on South Sathorn road, not very helpful lot there. Strange people. They also wanted to see my wife's passport to check the date of conceiving....? WTF as if all kids are born on the due date, in the end still isn't hard evidence I am the father of the child, is it. Also had to have the delivering doctor sign the witness thing as being only a few weeks old, no one knows her for 1 year.

My thread linked in the OP might help you out. I found it surprisingly easy, though they did, for some strange reason, say both parents had to be present. Contrary to what I was told on the phone by the dept. of immigration in Australia.

Originally Posted by Wizard of Oz

Other thing is try to get a picture of a baby... With open eyes, has to look straight in the camera, cannot hold the baby... Almost impossible to do.

These days you can post edit the picture.

My first son we laid down on the floor and took the photo vertically.

for my daughter, I held her head in position and then the print shop Photoshopped out my hands, and that was acceptable.

It's worth remembering that you can get an update passport after 18 months for free. (if your child was a baby).

Originally Posted by Wizard of Oz

Anyway went to the embassy on South Sathorn road, not very helpful lot there. Strange people. They also wanted to see my wife's passport to check the date of conceiving....? WTF as if all kids are born on the due date, in the end still isn't hard evidence I am the father of the child, is it. Also had to have the delivering doctor sign the witness thing as being only a few weeks old, no one knows her for 1 year.

Strange.

Just go through the documents on the website. The 1 year thing is waived for a child under 12 months. (but the person must know you for more than 12 months)

They DO check. So make sure the person signing is available to be contacted and knows that they will ring.

Originally Posted by 9999

Contrary to what I was told on the phone by the dept. of immigration in Australia.

Each country makes up it's own rules to add to the stuff needed. (which they shouldnt.)

For instance I had to produce a wedding certificate in Indonesia, otherwise the child cannot get a passport, pretty fucked up in my opinion.

Dear Ms XXXXX,

A newly born child of Australian descent is required to apply for an Australian Citizenship by Descent Certificate (CBD) prior to launching his/her Australian Passport application. Further information on applying for a CBD can be obtained from The Department of Immigration and Australian Citizenship (DIAC) at (021) 2550 5700 or via e-mail at immigration.jakarta@dfat.gov.au.

Please find the required supporting documents needed for a newborn Australian passport application lodgement below:

§ Original Birth Certificate issued by Kantor Catatan Sipil or issued by the equivalent of the Civil Registry office. You would be required to supply an English translation of the document if the certificate is not in English.
§ Original Citizenship by Descent Certificate (CBD) issued by the Department of Immigration and Australian Citizenship (DIAC) for those who were born outside of Australia.
§ If your child was born in Australia, we will need to sight the original birth certificate issued by the Registrar of Birth, Deaths, and Marriages (RBDM) and one other relevant document. Please refer to section 3a of the PC8 form for further details.
§ Two (2) photos (45 mm x 35 mm, chin to crown measurement is between 32-36mm with white/light blue background). One of the photos should be endorsed by the Guarantor. Attached please find the photo guide or see pp.4 of the application form for more detailed guidance.
§ The guarantor must not be related to the applicant and have to have known to the applicant for at least 1 year or since birth. A guarantor can be any Australian passport holder of any occupation. If the guarantor is not an Australian passport holder, that person has to be of a certain occupation. Please refer to the list of approved guarantor attached.
§ Both parents’ original passports and/or IDs
§ Completed form (Overseas Passport Application Form/PC8). The form can be completed on-line at www.passports.gov.au. On the main menu please click "Applying for a Child passport Overseas".
§ Passport (for minors) fee for the month of November 2011 for 32 pages is IDR 1.028.000 or IDR 1.547.000 for a 64 pages, and payment can be made in Rupiah cash only. Please note that the fee is subject to change on the 1st of every month in accordance to the exchange rate. Applicants lodging their applications after November 2011, you will have to contact us again for the correct and most current fee at that time.
§ At least one parent is required to lodge the application form in person
§ Processing time is 10 working days after a fully completed application form, all supporting documents and payment are received.
§ Validity for minor's passport is 5 years.
§ There are no priority processing to passport applications lodge outside of Australia, London and Washington DC.

The passport application cannot be lodged until the CBD is issued and collected by the parents. The passport application can be lodge at the same time as the CBD collection. Please ensure that you inform the consular section of your appointment with DIAC on the CBD collection so that we may assist you at the same date/time period.

An appointment (made at least one working day prior) is needed to lodge your child's passport application. For appointments, please call us at (021) 2550 5500. You could also e-mail us the date and time preference for your application lodgement(s). We are open from Monday to Friday and from 8 AM to 12 PM and from 1 PM to 4 PM, with 2 PM as the latest appointment of the day.

Please note that we will require the full name of the lodging parent along with the parent's passport number when you contact us to arrange for the appointment.

If you have any other enquiries regarding this matter, please do not hesitate to contact us.


Regards,

Rey Sihotang
Consular Section
Australian Embassy, Jakarta
Ph: + 62 21 2550 5500
Fax: +62 21 2550 5677
E-mail: consular.jakarta@dfat.gov.au

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From: Luhur, Aryoko [mailto:Aryoko.Luhur@dfat.gov.au] On Behalf Of Public-Affairs-JAKT
Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2011 11:35 AM
To: Consular Jakarta
Cc: Marcelo, Ray
Subject: FW: citizenship of a child born to an Australian [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]



From: Sir Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2011 11:10 AM
To: Public-Affairs-JAKT
Subject: citizenship of a child born to an Australian

Hello,

I am about to have a child born here. What documents and processes do I need to apply for and obtain Australian Citizenship and a passport for my new born. (I did this once before for my first born when I was posted to Thailand)

Many thanks.



Sir Wilson

After doing research, this also looks like a piece of piss. Thanks again Willy for your input.

The website www.passport.gov.au has an online form to fill out and print, and asks you all the questions to steer you in the right direction. There's also a .pdf with all the info you need.

So I'll be printing this out and leaving the 'verify identity' page blank, where I see a TEFLer mate on the way down to sign the photos, in the capacity of an Australian citizen I've known for over a year and is of the list of professions that can vouvh for you (teacher).

I don't even need to take my kid, or wife. To my understanding I need the following:

For the child:

Original birth certificate and certified translation (done at the citizenship stage)

Australian citizenship certificate

3 x photos.

For me:

1 x passport.

Too easy eh, we shall see. I still need to make an appointment at the embassy, but think that is bullshit and you can just rock up. I'll call them anyway once we're ready to set dates.

Australian Embassy, Jakarta
Immigration Section
INFORMATION ON HOW TO APPLY FOR CITIZENSHIP BY DESCENT(CBD)
ELIGIBILITY
 If you were born outside Australia on or after 26 January 1949.
At least one of your parents was an Australian citizen at the time of your birth.
If your Australian citizen parent was a citizen by descent or full Hague adoption then that parent must have spent at least 2 years in Australia.
 If you were born outside Australia or New Guinea before 26 January 1949
At least one or your parents became an Australian citizen on 26 January 1949, and that parent was born in Australia or New Guinea, or was naturalised in Australia before your birth.
Note: A child of an Australian Permanent Resident born overseas (offshore) is not eligible to apply for CBD. Whereas Child of Australian PR born in Australia, may apply for 119 evidencing of citizenship
Children
Applications for children under 16 years of age must be made by a responsible parent.
The Australian Citizenship Act 2007 defines ‘responsible parent’ in relation to a child as:
• a parent, unless that parent does not have parental responsibility because of orders made by the Family Court of Australia, or
• any person having responsibility over the child because of an order made by the Family Court, or
• any person who has guardianship or custody of the child under an Australian law or a foreign law, whether because of adoption, operation of law, an order of a court or otherwise.
CHECKLIST
1. Application form (Form 118)
See: http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/pdf/118.pdf
2. Recent passport size photographs of the applicant (two) and both parents (one each).
Note: One of the applicant’s passport size photographs must be endorsed (see pages 2-3 of Form 118 for further information);
3. Evidence of citizenship and occupation of the person providing proof of identity for the child (See Form 118, Part D – Proof of Identity); Please make sure the endorsee’s occupation is in the profession list and the profession code is correctly identified.
Please note that if applying overseas and the endorsee is not an Australian, they may be of the profession listed in the country of your residence. You should provide the name card/work reference letter of endorsee with current contact numbers. (For more details please refer to Form 118, page 5)
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4. If the applicant is less the 16 years of age – the Australian Citizen responsible parent is required to complete the declaration on Form 118.
PLEASE PROVIDE CERTIFIED COPY OF EACH OF THE FOLLOWING DOCUMENTS:
Certification
All supporting documents must be certified by a Public Notary in Indonesia or Justice of the Peace in Australia. Otherwise you have to present the original documents to an officer of the Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) who will certify them for you. Please do not send original documents.
5. Full birth certificate of the child as issued by the relevant authority.
 If the child was born in Indonesia, the birth certificate must be issued by the Civil Registry Office (Kantor Catatan Sipil).
 For children not born in Indonesia and the birth certificate is not in English, an official translation is required.
The name of the child will be printed on the Citizenship by Descent certificate as it appears on the birth certificate issued by the Civil Registry office. If child’s family name is not included in the birth certificate, an official name change certificate from State Court/Civil Registry Office is required.
6. Certificate issued by the hospital (Surat Keterangan Kelahiran) or treating doctor to notify the birth of the child;
7. Evidence that at least one parent was an Australian citizen at the time of the child’s birth;
 Australian birth certificate, Citizenship certificate or an Australian Passport issued after 1984.
 If the Australian parent acquired Australian citizenship by descent, that parent must have been lawfully present in Australia for a period or periods totalling at least two years at some time in their life. Please provide evidence of legal residence totalling two years in Australia where the Australian parent acquired Australian citizenship by descent.
8. Certified copy of passport or identification card (KTP) of non-Australian parent.
9. Evidence of parents’ relationship (Where the child’s mother is not an Australian Citizen)
This is required to satisfy the decision-maker that a spousal relationship between the parents had been established prior to conception of the child and that the child is the natural child of the Australian parent.
 Marriage certificate of the child’s parents
 If the parents of the child are not married or were not married at least nine months prior to the child's birth, following documents must be provided:
 Pre-natal medical records of mother, including any ultrasound and/or doctors’ reports;
 Post-natal medical records of the applicant;
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 Evidence that demonstrates that parents had been in a relationship at the time of or before the conception of the child (for instance, documents showing joint travel, cohabitation, correspondence, joint bank accounts, copies of passport pages with travel stamps/records, etc.).
 If the parents were not married in Indonesia and their marriage certificate is not in English, an official translation of the certificate is required;
10. Character: Applicants aged 17 years or over must show that they are of good character. They must to:
 Complete Form 80 Personal Particulars for Character Assessments.
- See http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/pdf/80.pdf
 Provide penal clearance certificates from each country in which they have lived for the total period of 12 months or more.
- See http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/char...cter-penal.pdf
__________________________________________________ _______________________
More Information
Payment Options
In Indonesia:
1. Application Fee: 1,150,000 IDR ($120 AUD if paid in Australia). If you are lodging for more than one child, each additional child is 910,000 IDR ($95 AUD if paid in Australia).
2. Pay in cash (Indonesian Rupiah only) at the Immigration Section, Australian Embassy Jakarta or the Consulate General, Bali. (A prior appointment must be made – refer to the Contact Details below).
3. Pay by bank cheque payable to the Australian Embassy, Jakarta. A clearance fee of Rp. 50,000.00 applies to bank cheques. This fee must be paid separately in cash, and enclosed with the bank draft or bank cheque.
In Australia: A payment for an application can be made at a DIAC office or by calling the DIAC enquiry line 131880. The payment receipt must accompany the application.
Contacting us
If you wish to contact us you may:
 Send an email to: immigration.jakarta@dfat.gov.au
 Send a fax to : (62 21) 2550 5695
 Telephone : (62 21) 2550 5700 between the hours of 9-12 am (Monday to Friday) and 2- 4 pm (Monday to Thursday)
We will need your full name and ID number for entry access to our office.
Lodging your application
This can be done by mail courier, or in person (details below)
 In person: you MUST make an appointment at least one day prior. Access to the Embassy or the Consulate General by individuals is by appointment only. You must provide all the identification details for the person and any accompanying persons. See the ‘Contact Us’ section below for more details.
 By mail or courier: The applications must be in a sealed envelope and be clearly addressed to:
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Immigration Section
Australian Embassy, Jakarta
DIAC, Permanent Entry and Citizenship Unit
Jl. H.R Rasuna Said Kav. C15-16
Kuningan, Jakarta Selatan – 12940
Or
Australian Consulate General – Bali
Immigration and Citizenship Section
Jl. Tantular 32 Renon
Denpasar – Bali 80234
(Delivery hours are between 8am to 3:30pm Monday to Friday)
Processing time
Most Citizenship by Descent applications are finalised within 10 working days. However, as individual cases vary in complexity, some may take more or less time than this to finalise. You will be notified as soon as possible if your application is identified as one which is likely to exceed this service standard.
Australian Passport
After the Citizenship by Descent certificate has been issued, you may apply for an Australian passport. Please contact the Consular Section:
 Phone: (62-21) 2550 5500
 Website: Services for Australians - Australian Embassy
This information was last updated in July 2011.

Originally Posted by 9999

but think that is bullshit and you can just rock up.

You really cannot.

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

For instance I had to produce a wedding certificate in Indonesia, otherwise the child cannot get a passport, pretty fucked up in my opinion.

WTF??

That sucks man. What if you weren't married? No passport?

I also ask the question on citizenship by descent, what if the mother has done a runner and I'm single fathering in Thailand? My daughter can't get citizenship?

When I asked this to the Thai Aussie embassy staff lady, I got that blank confused stare, followed by a smile and no response.

It's complete bullshit that different countries can make different rules. They should be consistent with the Aus. Dept. of Immigration rules, which are clearly stated on the website for 'overseas'.

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

Originally Posted by 9999

but think that is bullshit and you can just rock up.

You really cannot.

Yeah you're not supposed to but I did for a new passport due to no pages left. Will play this safe though and make an appointment.

Originally Posted by 9999

WTF?? That sucks man. What if you weren't married? No passport?

That's the situation in Indonesia for Indonesian children. And without a family card or passport a student cannot even go to school.

However, when I queried them at the Embassy they said it is optional, but just helps...

^ So I wonder what the department back in Aus. have to say about this.

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

However, when I queried them at the Embassy they said it is optional, but just helps...

Yeah that's pretty much the vibe I got about needing both parents for citizenship, and in line with the dept. website.

Just an update.

I didn't end up going down to BKK, the mrs took the kid and did the passport whilst applying for a tourist visa and visiting friends.

The passport, like the citizenship, was a piece of piss.

Either parent can lodge the application form, printed after filling in online.

My Aussie TEFLer mate went away, we got a Thai teacher to verify the photo ID instead, after the mrs. family doctor refused because he didn't have a clue what it was about and was not interested.

The mrs rocked up to the embassy with the kid (only because she was taking her everywhere; the child does not have to be present to lodge the application).

The next day I got a phone call from the embassy. They wanted to confirm my consent, and verified my ID by asking my mother's Address in Australia (person on form to contact in emergency).

A few days later my mother calls me saying there was a message on her answering machine from the passport office asking to call some lady. I shat myself. Strange how they contacted my mother when I put down my Thai number as my contact number.

Tried to call back but just got answering machine, so I skyped my mother and she did some ringing around, and it turned out they were just calling to tell us everything was fine and in order. They could have spared me the stress and just said that on the answering machine.

Still waiting for the passport to be posted but as stated above the passport office confirmed the application has been approved.

I'll do a thread on the mrs tourist visa application when we get an answer in the next week or so.

Passport arrived in the mail yesterday. A week with an Aussie holiday in there, pretty good, and the Mrs passport came back in the same package with a 3 month tourist visa approved (we asked for 60 days). Will do another thread on what we did to get that when I can be arsed.

All in all, citizenship and passport for your child born in Thailand is a piece of piss if you're an Aussie.

Originally Posted by 9999

All in all, citizenship and passport for your child born in Thailand is a piece of piss if you're an Aussie.

Yes, and no. Just gotta do the leg work.

I'm in the process of applying for a passport renewal for my son.

turns out the original translation of his Thai Birth certificate is not good enough, we gotta get it translated by NATI accredited translator.

Found one, I can scan it and send it to them (In Aussie) and they will charge me $66 or I could visit the office in person and pay $88...

So when are you heading back for the holiday? Really happy to hear it worked out for you.