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    Quote Originally Posted by phuketbound
    This is a really good post TOC.
    Why so Ms Phuket?

    It struck me as an unprofessional approach by TOC and I posted my opinion as above. If his feelings were hurt by a couple of sentences that just shows that he is indeed a fickle beast. Teachers must have control of their classroom, the amount of times I have heard others blame everything but themselves for their lack of classroom management is off the scale.

    I do not apologise for my words. If toc or others wish to sink into the depths of personal abuse in this regard that is entirely their perogative. I would not have you teach my kids with such a negative attitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phuketbound
    The government needs to up their standards, and increase the pay if they want to attract more serious, and qualified teachers.
    They continue to pay peanuts however and will continue to get monkeys in the classroom as long as this goes on. That is the harsh truth of the matter.

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    ^I am not being negative. You are jumping very quickly (judgemental), on what toc is saying, and making him look bad. I see know insinuating that he can't control his class. I also think that those that consistently pick on typos have nothing better to do. And if you are going to judge people based on that alone whether they are a good teacher or not is hypocritical. I don't think toc has shown that he is a lazy teacher.

    I know many people with Master's and Phd's that can't teach, and connect with students. I know some great teacher's with only a TEFL or CELTA.

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    Everything must be placed within the unique context of Thai education (and Thai culture in general).
    Jaysus, you sound quite thai there.....


    Quote Originally Posted by tropic of cancer
    The disrespect is efficiently transmitted to the students who see your lesson as an opportunity to misbehave (farang, unlike Thais, are forbidden from using corporal punishment)
    erm, so you saying that you wish you could beat the kids with a stick and then they would behave better?

    bit simplistic.

    Quote Originally Posted by tropic of cancer
    98% of what you teach will be forgotten 10 minutes after the students have left the classroom
    why?

    because you aint teaching them it properly in the first place.

    No, I'd never beat any child - but the fact that Thai teachers do and we don't is a green light to the kid to mess about.

    The reason they forget the lesson is that English is not their native tongue; they don't think or speak in English outside the classroom. Bits stick, but target language has to be constantly recycled and reinforced. This differs from teaching in England say, where a learner is surrounded by and practising the structures all the time.

    As for my typo 'thier'; yes, clearly from my post I am illiterate.
    I agree with this. The same applies to Korea. I can teach the students, but once they go out into the community, they are not using the language. Koreans barely speak English to each other, even when they know it. They are not getting the practice they often need. So, we do our best, and hope that they can use it in the future, with their parents, or if they go abroad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phuketbound
    I see know insinuating that he can't control his class. I also think that those that consistently pick on typos have nothing better to do.
    Where is the insinuation? He said himself that he could not control them. Perhaps you should enlighten him as the meaning of the word "discussion" in "discussion forum".

    Also you have spelled "now" as "know". Another reason I would never have your ilk teach a child of mine.

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    ^Yes, dear. I know. He never said that he couldn't control them. Show me exactly where he said that? Please enlighten me, Angel.

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    An owner of a school said to me the other day that he doesn't so much look at their qualifications but more at their track record and commitment.

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    Originally Posted by tropic of cancer

    The disrespect is efficiently transmitted to the students who see your lesson as an opportunity to misbehave (farang, unlike Thais, are forbidden from using corporal punishment)
    Here we are Ms Phuket. Seems toc would also like to take the stick to his kids. Another shining example of the type of teacher we do not need here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phuketbound
    I know many people with Master's and Phd's that can't teach, and connect with students. I know some great teacher's with only a TEFL or CELTA.
    That is very nice Ms Phuket. I would rather you stay with your fellow TEFL cert clutching ilk in dingy little "Language Schools" and leave the real education to the fully qualified. Thanks.

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    TEFLers are great

    I am not sure why anyone would want to teach, I am sure the reasons are varied. However, if they do manage to instil a little English language into some poor kid, good luck to them, a thankless task.

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    a thankless task.
    Think it generally saves most of them from a life of involuntary celebacy back home.

    That's prolly thanks enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tropic of cancer View Post
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    Everything must be placed within the unique context of Thai education (and Thai culture in general).
    Jaysus, you sound quite thai there.....


    Quote Originally Posted by tropic of cancer
    The disrespect is efficiently transmitted to the students who see your lesson as an opportunity to misbehave (farang, unlike Thais, are forbidden from using corporal punishment)
    erm, so you saying that you wish you could beat the kids with a stick and then they would behave better?

    bit simplistic.

    Quote Originally Posted by tropic of cancer
    98% of what you teach will be forgotten 10 minutes after the students have left the classroom
    why?

    because you aint teaching them it properly in the first place.

    No, I'd never beat any child - but the fact that Thai teachers do and we don't is a green light to the kid to mess about.

    The reason they forget the lesson is that English is not their native tongue; they don't think or speak in English outside the classroom. Bits stick, but target language has to be constantly recycled and reinforced. This differs from teaching in England say, where a learner is surrounded by and practising the structures all the time.

    As for my typo 'thier'; yes, clearly from my post I am illiterate.
    Gabriel Angel; you should look back because he did not say he couldn't control his class, or that he would take a stick to them. You must think I am real gullible. For one, I don't teach in a language school, and for two, I think you sound quite pompous with that comment.

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    Eflistas are a soft target
    Like eleswhere they are amixed bunch andas Good2Bhappy said employers look at can do rather than Academic real or phoney papers.
    Musny confuse Teaching in LOS with Education
    A pleasant paleskin is there for front often not always
    There are Sincere ajarns dunkenCrews and everybody in between

    Would you want 30 boisterous 14 yr old for 1000 baht aday no pension no benefits etc

    Imagine bar keepers were performance rated as people!

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    I have a feeling that there are going to be a lot more TEFLers of the aged, drunk and broke variety entering the "profession" within the next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
    TEFLers are great

    I am not sure why anyone would want to teach, I am sure the reasons are varied. However, if they do manage to instil a little English language into some poor kid, good luck to them, a thankless task.
    I agree. DJ Pat is the perfect example of the kind of TEFLer those aspiring to the vocation should follow...

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    Quote Originally Posted by tropic of cancer
    98% of what you teach will be forgotten 10 minutes after the students have left the classroom.

    The reason they forget the lesson is that English is not their native tongue; they don't think or speak in English outside the classroom. Bits stick, but target language has to be constantly recycled and reinforced. This differs from teaching in England say, where a learner is surrounded by and practising the structures all the time.
    I think that you are partly correct.
    IMHO, one of the main reasons why Thai students don't respond to English lessons is because that they are under great pressure to learn English. This pressure is placed upon them by mum and dad. In other words, the kids don't want to learn English...they will simply "go through the motions" to satisfy mum & dad.

    I remember when I had to learn one of two languages at High School...German or French. At that time, I had no interest whatsoever in learning another language. Nor did my parents bother me about this. Needless to say, I failed German (thank god).
    Strangely though, I took Latin for a year, which has proven to be a little helpful today.
    Oh for fucks sake! Get a life & stop trying to fuck mine up!

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    If you can't be "failed", what's the incentive to learn?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Burr View Post
    If you can't be "failed", what's the incentive to learn?

    bloody hell, what an approach to life SB!!

    the incentive to learn is normally part of our make-up, part of our life

    we learn new things all the time, the main thing is to be interested in what we are learning. That is where a good teacher comes in.

    if you really think that "passing" or "failing" is important, then you are merely part of the bourgeois scheme of things. It is like those people who do some little course (3 day Thai cooking, for instance), and get a diploma as part of the thing at the end. Weird!
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    Quote Originally Posted by phuketbound
    You must think I am real gullible.
    Why would I think that? So where do you work Ms Phuket?

    I posted the relevent quote regarding lack of control in class. You may have missed it in your fervent wish to refute my argument.

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    People going on about my inability to control a classroom are missing the point and have almost certainly never taught EFL to children, most particularly in Thailand.

    As Mike Hunt said, it's the nature of the beast. Another language has little or no immediate relevance to a child - indeed, they're still mastering their own. Taught entirely in a foreign tongue, it's even less arresting. It's enormously hard to get and keep ones students' attention in this context and an awful lot of the thinking and planning one does is focused on this problem, i.e. how to make it interesting, how to make it fun. Sometimes you succeed, sometimes you fail, but the process (of engaging them) is a kind of stealthy cajoling - you have to tolerate a certain amount of misbehavoir and try to advance primary goal as best you can. The dynamic of the classroom is completely different to their lessons with Thai teachers; there is enormous initial resistance to every task that is not demonstrably simple - thinking for oneself is alien to them

    It's soul-destroying sometimes, when you think they've retained a target language and then find out it's slipped through their brains like sand in an egg-timer, but yesterday I was told that one of my students (the 7th out of 8 in my P3) took a test at another (supposedly 'better') school and scored 86 (the average being mid-60s). This pleased my greatly; I feel I've made real breakthrough with this class and carried them with me. Other classes I've just largely failed to inspire. Such is the life of a 'tefler'.

    Thank Phuketbound btw, for your support against the detractors (as we know, they know not of what they speak).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrAndy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Burr View Post
    If you can't be "failed", what's the incentive to learn?

    bloody hell, what an approach to life SB!!

    the incentive to learn is normally part of our make-up, part of our life

    we learn new things all the time, the main thing is to be interested in what we are learning. That is where a good teacher comes in.

    if you really think that "passing" or "failing" is important, then you are merely part of the bourgeois scheme of things. It is like those people who do some little course (3 day Thai cooking, for instance), and get a diploma as part of the thing at the end. Weird!
    What a load of cobblers!
    When I was at school, two subjects I loved were Biology and Economics. I passed because I was interested.
    Two subjects I hated were Maths and Chemistry. I passed because I was afraid of what my parents and peers would think if I failed. I had to work very hard.

    It was impressed upon me by my teachers and parents that the quality of job I would get upon leaving school would be determined by what qualifications I would earn.

    If I knew that no matter the effort I put in, I would still pass, why would I bother to work hard? I would have the important thing to get a job; the pass certificate.

    I've heard too many stories in Thailand, especially at fee paying schools where nobody fails.
    Why should the hard worker spend hours studying when he knows that the guy who goofs off all the time is going to get the same mark?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tropic of cancer
    People going on about my inability to control a classroom are missing the point and have almost certainly never taught EFL to children, most particularly in Thailand.
    I have not missed the point and I have taught kids in Thailand.

    Why don't you address the issue here and try to improve your teaching?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by tropic of cancer
    People going on about my inability to control a classroom are missing the point and have almost certainly never taught EFL to children, most particularly in Thailand.
    I have not missed the point and I have taught kids in Thailand.

    Why don't you address the issue here and try to improve your teaching?
    Fair play, I'd like to improve and you're clearly the man to help, with your experience*, teaching qualifications*, masterful classroom management etc.

    Given the fact that Thailand isn't able right now to (as you put it) 'leave it to the professionals', perhaps you'd like to appraise we lower life forms as to some of your better techniques. Unfortunately I can't afford to pay you right now for my online tutorial but think how much my kids could benefit from my 'upped game'!

    Or is it the case that you don't actually give a shit about the education of Thai children and really just want to pile into the easy target of 'teflers'?

    I won't be holding my breath.


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    Quote Originally Posted by tropic of cancer
    Fair play, I'd like to improve and you're clearly the man to help, with your experience*, teaching qualifications*, masterful classroom management etc.
    I'm not interested in helping you. My work is with my kids. If you wish to improve you should go back to university and get properly qualified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by tropic of cancer
    Fair play, I'd like to improve and you're clearly the man to help, with your experience*, teaching qualifications*, masterful classroom management etc.
    I'm not interested in helping you. My work is with my kids. If you wish to improve you should go back to university and get properly qualified.
    And in the meantime my job will be taken by...who exactly?

    If you're teaching at the moment, why the use of the present perfect in your last but one post?

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    What's the point in spending years at school to get qualified, then teach in Thailand for shit money?
    I would of thought that with proper qualifications, you would go where the money is.

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