Thread: Why such abuse for TEFLers?

It is my experience that lazy teachers will blame everyone but themselves for their own lack of professionalism.

I would hope that Tropic of Cancer can up his game in this respect.

Originally Posted by dirtydog

So, your saying you cannot control your classroom? I aint a teacher but the day I say I cannot control a few dozen Thai kids without beating them is the the day I top myself.

You have no idea

Originally Posted by kingwilly

Originally Posted by tropic of cancer

so the actual content of the lessons will often be learned just prior to teaching it. This is not necessarily a bad thing - it's not generally that difficult

does just prior mean on the back of a motorcycle from nana?

Well no obviously, but it's like this: you use the present perfect tense (say) in every conversation you have (unless you're American), but you're not aware of what it is nor why and whether you select to use it until you read an explaantion. Once you have done so, it's easy to teach - to the speaker of a language that uses tenses, that is. Thai does not, something you are unlikely to know unless you have lived and taught here (and whatever qualifiactions you may or may not have)

I've got to agree with KW here.

Originally Posted by tropic of cancer

language that uses tenses, that is. Thai does not

bollocks
where have you been!

past
present perfect
future
present
present continous

Oh God! Fucking language tense craic. Always riviting to hear the finer points pedantically shouted and argued about in a in a belittling manner.

Great stuff.

It seems to me that the fundamental problem here is the fact that the majority of TEFL / Euro teachers, working here are unqualified, incompetent, wasters. They'd never get a teaching job in the west and nor should they.

A few, are qualified, efficient and productive. Good on 'em.

The rest, unfortunately drag the good ones down.

^ in a nutshell.

of course it's so obvious it hardly needs mentioning.

Originally Posted by Matthew

I've got to agree with KW here.

And here I was thinking you were a reasonable and intelligent person.

Originally Posted by Gabriel

It is my experience that lazy teachers will blame everyone but themselves for their own lack of professionalism.

I would hope that Tropic of Cancer can up his game in this respect.

Just saw this.

I NEVER EVER descend to personal abuse on message boards (because it shows a lack of class imo). However, you nearly had me with this comment.

You obviously have your own set of prejudices against teachers (and this site seems to be partly set up on this premise) so to accuse me of unprofessionalism well, its par for the course. Nothing will ever change fixed minds like some possess herein.

However to imply I'm lazy hurts after the year I've just put in. I've worked so damn hard to get knowledge into those adorable little gits. Some failure, some success - just like life in the round.

Shame on you son, tbh; look at yourself and ask if you really have the right to cast aspersions like that on those you don't know.

Originally Posted by Plan B

And here I was thinking you were a reasonable and intelligent person.

I flash in and out of both reasonableness and intelligence, it's plain to see.

Originally Posted by jandajoy

It seems to me that the fundamental problem here is the fact that the majority of TEFL / Euro teachers, working here are unqualified, incompetent, wasters. They'd never get a teaching job in the west and nor should they.

A few, are qualified, efficient and productive. Good on 'em.

The rest, unfortunately drag the good ones down.

We understand that John Michael Carr (before he thought out the sceme to bilk money outa the Ramsey family) was quite the good TELFer? Smacked 'em around a little too often but wtf. gotta instill dicipline, right?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Originally Posted by jandajoy

It seems to me that the fundamental problem here is the fact that the majority of TEFL / Euro teachers, working here are unqualified, incompetent, wasters. They'd never get a teaching job in the west and nor should they.

A few, are qualified, efficient and productive. Good on 'em.

The rest, unfortunately drag the good ones down.

We understand that John Michael Carr (before he thought out the sceme to bilk money outa the Ramsey family) was quite the good TELFer? Smacked 'em around a little too often but wtf. gotta instill dicipline, right?

This comment is beyond disgraceful. And Gary Glitter's a singer - so what?

What a bitter, twisted world you live in. Truly tragic.

Originally Posted by tropic of cancer

Originally Posted by Gabriel

It is my experience that lazy teachers will blame everyone but themselves for their own lack of professionalism.

I would hope that Tropic of Cancer can up his game in this respect.

Just saw this.

I NEVER EVER descend to personal abuse on message boards (because it shows a lack of class imo). However, you nearly had me with this comment.

You obviously have your own set of prejudices against teachers (and this site seems to be partly set up on this premise) so to accuse me of unprofessionalism well, its par for the course. Nothing will ever change fixed minds like some possess herein.

However to imply I'm lazy hurts after the year I've just put in. I've worked so damn hard to get knowledge into those adorable little gits. Some failure, some success - just like life in the round.

Shame on you son, tbh; look at yourself and ask if you really have the right to cast aspersions like that on those you don't know.

This is a really good post TOC. One of the reasons I don't post much on ajarn anymore. Many people that their shit doesn't stink when in fact, it is sometimes quite the opposite. People like to think they are better than everyone else, I suppose. It is the nit pickers that make me laugh.

I am not a TEFLer, I am a qualified professional teacher (do you want to make fun of that too), that has studied many years, and graduated Cum Laude, but I never say that. It doesn't define me, as being a TEFLer does for some others that I've come across. I am a teacher among many other things. I love to learn everyday, and I never want to be known as the expert, because I learn something even from my students on a daily basis. Live and learn toc.

^Yeah, so..what's your point? Besides I think being a TEFLer isn't as bad as you bunch point out. There are some people that are in it to do their best, and give a care about they are doing. I've met a lot in Thailand already.

As for the rest, I can see your gripes about the whole industry. The government needs to up their standards, and increase the pay if they want to attract more serious, and qualified teachers.

Not all ajarners are up their own arses either.