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    Smeg will love this

    so let's post it anyhow

    I keep a very careful record of how many job ads are posted each month. By the time we get to the end of January 2008, we will have posted approx 80 fewer jobs compared to January 2007.

    Before we continue, keep in mind that the number of job ads doesn't reflect the number of teaching positions. Indeed you can have one single job ad which might include a dozen positions. However, there have definitely been fewer job ads around. I have a few theories on why this is currently the case because you can never ignore market forces.

    Firstly, a lot of employers are feeling 'cagey' about putting job vacancies on-line (either on ajarn.com or any TEFL job site) perhaps for fear of scrutiny from the authorities. I've had quite a few teachers tell me that their school has vacancies - and they usually post them on ajarn - but won't do so in the current climate. Whether it's because that particular school can't make their teachers legal or for whatever reason - we can only speculate. In conclusion, there's never been a better time to just knock on doors and ask a school if they're looking for teachers.

    We've also lost a good percentage of the teaching agencies. We brought in a new rule some time ago and now agencies (or any employer for that matter) can no longer post free job ads with vague statements such as 'teachers wanted in all areas of Thailand'. If you are recruiting for a particular school then you must name that school. This change was long overdue because teachers were applying to several different agencies and finding that the 'end job' was at the same school. Possibly a school they'd already worked at. All that happens in this situation is wasted time for all concerned.

    There has been a decrease in the number of 'lower-end' schools posting jobs - many of them in the private language school sector, paying 200-250 baht an hour. Many of these 'low-payers' are now being fed teachers directly from companies who offer a teacher package with guaranteed employment. I'm not saying I always agree with this practice but I guess business is business.

    On a final note, we've seen a dramatic increase in the number of employers using the resume database. Perhaps this is the new trend. Rather than stick an ad on-line and wade through dozens of inappropriate resumes, schools are targeting specific teachers whose details appear on-line. So make sure you keep your ajarn resume updated because you never know what job offers might come your way.


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    source: Phil's front page comments

    and there are so many many things wrong with that, I don't known where to start! Shit, 250 an hour was on offer in 1991 -at a crap school!

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    The first thing that begs the obvious question - are employers not using Ajarn cos it's a crap site and has gained that reputation from the way the site is run?

    Has it developed a reputation for the usual stereotypical low-life TEFLer using it to find a job?

    Is the quality of people applying via Ajarn lower than elsewhere?

    Has Ajarn now deleveloped such a low opinion in schools and emplot#yers that they just don't want to use it any more/

    All these are allied, of course, but I doubt they have less applications because there is a downturn in the need for teachers - anything but.

    If I were a Thai employer looking through Ajarn to get a feel for the quality of some of the teaching people posting there, I'd feel very disappointed.
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    Can't you read? I posted why elsewhere.

    Anyway, why should you worry? Were you there and disappointed to find I couldn't make it?
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    crap schools get their employees from anywhere they can Daves ES. TEFL world, ajarn.com etc etc

    as soon as you put a want job notice on those sites you will get replies from all over the world and sometimes the country you are looking for as well.

    if you are properly degreed, in thailand you should be able to refuse at least 50% of the jobs offered for one reason or another.
    You dont pay them to stay for the night, you pay them to leave in the morning

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    ^^^^^

    Schools might be getting pissed off with having to wade through so many applications from Filipinos that the prevailing racism prevents them from employing.

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    Maybe Thailand has lost it's appeal as a "teaching haven"? Visa runs and tourist visa crackdowns. Low salaries compared to elsewhere. Looks like bottom of the barrel to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William
    Shit, 250 an hour was on offer in 1991 -at a crap school!
    I went to one of the schools in Vientiane in Laos, this one I think is like one of the real crappy low end ones, starting salary 300baht per hour, beer, food, pussy and other essentials all cheaper than Thailand

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    I went to one of the schools in Vientiane in Laos,
    what the hell for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog
    starting salary 300baht per hour, beer, food, pussy and other essentials all cheaper than Thailand
    Crap schools in Bangkok pay 600-800 baht an hour part time

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    800baht per hour, 20 hours per week is 16,000baht, gives them a monthly salary of 64,000baht per month, don't suppose you actually got a link for one of these jobs nick?

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    ^ I don't think we teach bricklaying and you need a degree or something like that. Other than that I could hook you up straight away, what can you teach?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickA View Post
    ^ I don't think we teach bricklaying and you need a degree or something like that. Other than that I could hook you up straight away, what can you teach?
    Get me one, then. The most I've been offered in a school is 400 baht per hour part time.

    I get about 600 per hour teaching business english, about the going rate.

    If you can get me more, I'm all ears.

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    All depends on qualifications and what you can teach.

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    The usual - Business English and general conversation. Been teaching for 18 months first time round, and for 7 months this time, mainly Business English and Gen Con.

    I suspect the figures you mention are written on a steamed-up mirror, aren't they?

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    I have a mate teaching in Phnom Phen. No degree or tefl but earns more than many teachers in Thailand. No problem with work permits or teacher licences and the school sorts out the visa without stupid visa runs.

    I visited but couldn't live there. I remember sharing a smoke and a beer with the owner of the Ginger Monkey then on my return to LOS reading in the BKK Post that a Cambodian had walked into the bar and cut the owners throat! On top of that the Canadian owner of the first guest house by the lake died while I was there (accident apparently) and when entering Martinis a guy in a black SUV fired 3 rounds at the entrance door. My mate did score a kilo of wicked weed for $100 while I was there - all for his own personal use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Fixit
    I suspect the figures you mention are written on a steamed-up mirror, aren't they?
    Nope

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickA View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Fixit
    I suspect the figures you mention are written on a steamed-up mirror, aren't they?
    Nope
    So tell me more ... A PM will do if you you are too coy to post verifiable info here.

    I'm an old tart, I am. I'll work for whoever pays the most. I suspect these figures ain't kosher though.

    I think they come from the land of B-O-L-L-O-C-K-S.

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    Fixit...

    Nothing personal, but you'd be surprised what some of the younger generation of keyed-up TEFLers are able to work out in Bangkok.

    I didn't bat an eye at the post above.

    I personally know several Bangkok TEFL teachers making about that. One of them is teaching another language for 8 hours a week and making a perfectly respectable 23 thousand US a year or so (as above).

    Others who get around quickly, have sensible lifestyles and/or normal relationships, and are fully qualified or overqualified just throw a few plush gigs together and make it all work out just fine.

    I might be able to list the places I've taught for 600/hrs on both hands.

    Again, nothing personal, it's just another experience and perspective for you to know about mate, as you sound as if you're 'covering the waterfront' with your sweeping statements based on your limited personal experience, but I've seen with mine own two otherwise. Doesn't mean your 'wrong'...you're just in your niche is all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Fixit
    I'll work for whoever pays the most.
    That's one approach. Me, I've moved down the payscale a bit to work in a job I enjoyed more..among lots of other factors considered.

    Doesn't quite make sense to me to ignore every other issue when you're essentially just making more peanuts salary-wise.

    Maybe this is why TEFLwatch's got (or had, now, I guess) a pretty steady inflow of unhappy teachers with the great stories...

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    Just as important as the hourly rate are the number of _steady_ hours, as well as the what and the where and the when.

    If you're willing to teach anyone anywhere at any time, sure you can cobble together 55k (or more) strap hanging on public transportation most months. So what?

    A better objective would be 60k for a 35 hour week, 9-4, weekends free, holidays paid, all at the same place. A real job, in other words, that doesn't imitate the life and hours of a short time ho.

    Some of the lesser pseudo "international" schools offer packages in that range. That would be where I'd look, if i were in the market for 23k USD a year

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew
    8 hours a week
    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew
    23 thousand US
    Or about 55 thou baht a month. 8 hours!

    That's pretty great, as far as low working hours is concerned.

    Again, though, can't judge a job by any single element.

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    Sure, it's possible. Not common, though, which is the point of the thread. There was a gig at TOT last year that paid about 7k for 4 contact hours on a 10-3 day, lunch thrown in. Opportunity to do this twice a week for 14k net.

    Unusual situation where the wage was actually high enough to compensate for the limited hours available, given they needed you there in the middle of the week. It was also steady, which is important.

    As for 600 an hour, which you mentioned previously, that's high for _full time_ TEFL work, M-F between the hours of 9-5. I'm including 'office hours', as anyone should. Weekend and evening work? 600 baht is low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    800baht per hour, 20 hours per week is 16,000baht, gives them a monthly salary of 64,000baht per month, don't suppose you actually got a link for one of these jobs nick?
    You'd have to have a wash and brush up and lose the beard mate.

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