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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    Or...perhaps, Thai children witness and observe the everyday freedoms, independence, and self-sufficiency [of families and community] that has gone on forever - seemingly contradicting the highly manufactured, and outsider charged, ideals of such political/economic systems may ensue - even when said outsiders don't really understand what this supposed democracy state might be, as they've never really experienced, or practiced, the beloved ideals themselves.
    Everyday freedoms like chucking tons of packaging out the car window?

    Or everyday freedoms like sorting through black plastic bags dumped at the roadside for valuable items of recycling material?

    That ha nothing to do with education. It’s a simple learned behavior, passed down by adults. The posh western phrase for this is experiential learning. That’s how Thais become shit plumbers and electricians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Here are the Grade Level Indicators for grades 1 to 12.
    In depth. On paper at least.
    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    It appears more comprehensive that anything I remember being taught during my school days.
    Ditto.
    Makes me think it's just for show and not seriously applied, or applied with much of the official line heavily implied. My 17 and 18 year old students are very bright and will be going to the best universities in Thailand and abroad, but even they will not talk about the generalities of politics without even getting into domestic specifics. Not even in private. What's the point of teaching these things if nobody can discuss issues openly?
    Perhaps therein lies the lessons they learn. But act or speak out upon their private ideas? Never.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Unveritable is not actually a word by the way.
    And if it were a word, it was used in a very weird grammatical way to try (but failing) to sound educated ...as usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neverna View Post
    Grade 7
    1. Explain in brief the principles, intents, structure and important substance of the current Constitution of the Kingdom of Thailand.
    2. Explain the role of balancing sovereign powers in the current Constitution of the Kingdom of Thailand.
    3. Observe the provisions of the current Constitution of the Kingdom of Thailand concerning themselves.

    Grade 8
    1. Explain the legislative process.
    2.Analyse the political and administrative data and informationaffecting the present Thaisociety.

    Grade 9
    1. Explain various forms of government adopted at present.
    2. Make a comparative analysis of Thailand’s form of government and those of other countries with democratic systems of government.
    3. Analyse various provisions of the current Constitution relating to elections, participation and checking application of state power.
    4. Analyse problematic issues that hamper democratic development of Thailand and propose guidelines for remedial
    measures.

    Grades 10 to 12
    1. Analyse important political issues of various countries from various sources of data as well as propose guidelines
    for remedial measures.
    2. Propose political and administrative guidelines leading to creating understanding and mutual benefits among countries.
    3. Analyse the importance and necessity to uphold the democratic form of government under constitutional monarchy.
    4. Propose guidelines and participate in checking application of state power.
    Well they must have slept through those lessons if actually taught. When they get to university most dont have a clue how their government works. Which is just what the government wants...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maanaam View Post
    My 17 and 18 year old students are very bright and will be going to the best universities in Thailand and abroad, but even they will not talk about the generalities of politics without even getting into domestic specifics. Not even in private.
    How do you know what your 17 and 18-year-old students talk about in private?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    A least you are familiar with the shortcomings of US political science. Unveritable is not actually a word by the way.
    I think you have to ask what are the most important things that make up a democracy. 1. Free and fair elections. 2. Free press. 3. Independent judiciary. 4. Stable constitution.

    Were any of these mentioned in the opening video?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark45y View Post
    Sorry but reading the above I think you have been duped and got a hold of a Russian Troll Farmer.
    Fie, fie upon thee, strumpet!

    To comment on the OP subject perchance? To comment on the author or printer of words casteth such wretchedness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhOh View Post
    Fie, fie upon thee, strumpet!

    To comment on the OP subject perchance? To comment on the author or printer of words casteth such wretchedness.
    Ya. He never mentions what a democracy is, in fact avoids the issue entirely and he has no education credentials. I think trying to paint a picture of Russia that is 100% false.

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    So....where is this beloved ideal of democracy practiced?

    Examples anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HuangLao View Post
    Examples anyone?
    Switzerland is the first that comes to mind.

    How about you, Jeff, got any examples?

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    He seems to constantly come from a position that people feel their own country is perfect.

    Which renders his input meaningless when we don’t.

    Which is pretty much all the time.

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    My wife told me democracy is different in Thailand. I handed her a dictionary and asked she look up Thai democracy. It's a good thing I can cook and get my companionship from the dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSFFan View Post
    Switzerland is the first that comes to mind.

    How about you, Jeff, got any examples?
    Iceland, Norway and Denmark?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark45y View Post
    Iceland, Norway and Denmark?
    Democratic socialism. Come on dude you are an economics professor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    Democratic socialism. Come on dude you are an economics professor.
    Do I get paid extra for the lessons in political science? Sure a country can be both democratic and socialistic. If the majority of the people want socialism then they can vote in leaders who will implement that.

    Nothing that says a democracy has to be capitalistic. There is your lesson for the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark45y View Post
    There is your lesson for the day.
    Could you remind us again what the objective of your lesson was, teacher?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark45y View Post
    Do I get paid extra for the lessons in political science? Sure a country can be both democratic and socialistic. If the majority of the people want socialism then they can vote in leaders who will implement that.

    Nothing that says a democracy has to be capitalistic. There is your lesson for the day.
    Only in the EU are democratic member governments obliged to follow socialist dogma

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSFFan View Post
    Could you remind us again what the objective of your lesson was, teacher?
    A democracy can be socialistic or capitalistic it depends on what the people vote for. The poster who was trying to mock me actually didn't know what a democracy is. It has been a while but isn't that taught in about 4th grade? I could be wrong. I have never taught grade school in the USA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mark45y View Post
    Do I get paid extra for the lessons in political science? Sure a country can be both democratic and socialistic. If the majority of the people want socialism then they can vote in leaders who will implement that.

    Nothing that says a democracy has to be capitalistic. There is your lesson for the day.
    So what happens when people exercise their democratic right to vote for democracy and then discover they got Socialism instead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabir View Post
    So what happens when people exercise their democratic right to vote for democracy and then discover they got Socialism instead?
    It is socialism vs capitalism. Democracy vs totalitarianism. You can have a socialist democracy or a capitalistic democracy that is an economic system not a political system. You are confusing political, social and economic systems. For example Bernie Sandars is an American Socialist. He could have been elected and America would have been on the way to being a socialist country but still a democracy - no problem.

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    ???????
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    Mark45y seems to be hijacking this thread a bit. The thread is in the "Teaching in Thailand" forum and the thread is about how Thai children are educated regarding democracy.

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    TBF Nev I did kind of lead him off topic by mentioning the EU. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by mark45y View Post
    Bernie Sandars is an American Socialist. He could have been elected and America would have been on the way to being a socialist country but still a democracy - no problem.
    My word.

    So this American Socialist who didn't get elected would have been 'no problem'.

    Because...why?

    Because it would have been American socialism.

    A more satisfying socialism.

    A socialism that satisfies.

    Breath it in cowboys.

    Inhale.



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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    My word.

    So this American Socialist who didn't get elected would have been 'no problem'.

    Because...why?

    Because it would have been American socialism.

    A more satisfying socialism.

    A socialism that satisfies.

    Breath it in cowboys.

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    Socialism has a long history in America.

    How are Thai Children Educated Regarding "Democracy"-socialist_party_eugene_debs_1904_campaign_poster-jpg

    Do you want the whole lecture or can you use google?
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