Thread: Expat Pedophile Teacher

This thread is ridiculous. Simply go and tell the principle, police and the guys embassy exactly what you saw.There is nothing more or less that you can do. End of story.

I told my wife's uncle (who is a bus driver, although a different school) and he said he would check with some friends (he got his job by "knowing" someone), and if the guy kept up this behavior, he would eventually get caught and dealt with (he didn't say how, and I didn't ask).

That's one thing about pedophiles, sooner or later they will get caught, because they are a slave to their desires.

Although Thailand has been a sexual magnet for many expat (sexpats) for decades, things are changing, and with a global emphasis on sexual exploitation of children, those kinds of perverts will have to find somewhere else to ply their sickness (look out Africa!).

Anyone who takes offense at any effort to help protect children, probably needs to look into their own hearts and souls to determine why.

My own son, when he was about 13, was a victim of a guy who ran a city-owned indoor swimming pool. The guy got to where he would let the boys stay late and swim, after the facility closed.

I was really suspicious of this behavior, because what grown man (he was in his 40s) would regularly want to stay extra hours without pay, just to let some boys swim a couple of hours longer?

The answer is a child molester, of course. This guy was finally caught and is in prison now, but I know his actions have had a negative impact on my own son even today (he is now 32).

As often reported, child molesters will find anyway they can to be around children. Coaching and teaching are great attractors to their ilk.

Unfortunately, this sometimes makes it difficult for normal teachers and coaches to interact with children, but that is just the way it is.

RickThai

Here be dragons.

RickThai, a charge of pedophilia is a very serious thing. It is not something to be made lightly. And yet you have done just that.

Based on your posts, it seems that you see pedophiles lurking in the shadows of every schoolyard and swimming pool and playing field. Given your last post about your son’s experience, your feelings are understandable. And I am truly sorry that you and your son and your family had to experience that.

However, realistically speaking, it is not clear at all what you really saw, there is no evidence or proof that you saw what you say you did, and your perception of what you saw may not be what really happened. As others have pointed out, telling anyone that you saw Mr. X fondling some little girl’s ass, without anything at all to prove or corroborate that, is slander.

So, congratulations! Getting your wife’s uncle to check things out with some of his friends means that you have started the rumor mill about Mr. X turning. He may be completely innocent and harmless, but it’s too late for him now. People will soon start hearing rumors that he is a pedophile, and many will start to believe them, regardless of their truth. Someone might even be stupid enough to try to harm him. Someone might even get “lucky” and succeed. So, at the very least, you have successfully slandered and maligned an (thus far) innocent man, and at the very most, you have possibly endangered his health or life.

This post is in no way a defense of pedophiles. Of course, I’m sure some will probably take it as just that anyway, but some people are always going to be incapable of being objective.

In fact, I had an experience with a pedophile in my early teens. This man placed himself in a position in my church so as to be around young boys. I and my two older brothers and many other young boys were with him many times. In my case, there was only a single instance of him rubbing my crotch with my pants on until I got an erection. And I did not, nor do I now, feel traumatized by the experience. Of course, things could have been much worse, as he was later convicted of serially molesting twin brothers who were about 10 years younger than me.

Yet, in spite of my experience, I do not believe that the pedophilia hysteria that has been going through Western society in the last 20 or 30 years is a good thing. I think it is perfectly normal and healthy for men to interact with children, and to want to do so. Nowadays, for example, I would refuse to sit next to an unaccompanied child on an airplane, simply because I would be worried about some nosey Nancy falsely accusing me of inappropriate contact with the child because a few molecules from my hand just may have made a picosecond’s contact with a few molecules from the child’s hip while adjusting my seatbelt.

Well said.

Having an incorrect accusation of paedophilia brought against you through official channels could also be a fairly traumatic experience given the witchhunt mentality that surrounds the subject.

Not that it matters but I got into trouble (deriving laughter mostly) for 'touching a 50 yr old man's bottom'

It was on stage under spotlights, with paparazzi taking photos.

Ok, the photo published did look like I had my palm on his bum, but in actual fact my hand was some way away from his arse.

Still. He kicked up a stink. And I responded with equal anger.

So whats my point? Point is that unlike anonymous denunciations when you are spotted nicking too many cakes from the office canteen. 'Somebody has spotted you taking more than your fair share Mr Moog' ....'Who?' ...'Can't say')...... something like this has to be done in the open. RickThai (or anyone else making such serious allegations) is going to have to put his money where his mouth is and associate his name with the allegation. Risky move.

Or do it anonymously and lose all credibility.

Originally Posted by ENT

^^Because he's wary of being prosecuted for slander.
One person's word against another means nothing.

If the child/children involved verify his claim of inappropriate behaviour, he's got every reason to report the teacher in question.
Bob R gives some good advice, and DD too.

Good on yers guys.

Talking of slander, is that serious here in Thailand?

^Rubbish, he should at least tell the principle what he saw in confidence so he can keep a close eye on the teacher for any further disturbing behaviour or evidence. From what the OP has seen and with lack of evidence that is as far as it would go in my opinion until more evidence or information came to light.

Originally Posted by OhOh

they must present it to the authorities

Originally Posted by madjbs

tell the principle

Anything else you disagree with?

I must admit, I am quite surprised at all the hostile posts. Kind of like, "kill the messenger".

I went to this forum, because I wanted advice from expats who are experienced and knowledgeable about issues dealing with Thai administrators and Thai/ Expat Teacher interactions.

I have received some very good advice from some of the posters and I made my decision accordingly.

As to what I saw; I know what I saw and I know how the guy was acting both before and after he spotted me.

My guess is that some of the Thai teachers and staff are already aware of this guy's prediliction (sp). If so, input from an outside observer (an objective observer, regardless of what some posters have implied), might be just the impetous to get rid of the guy.

If what I observed was a one-time thing (which I personnaly doubt), then provided he doesn't do anything else that would be deemed inappropriate, he will probably be okay.

If, by chance, he has read this thread, then maybe he will clean up his act, since he knows (or believes) that he is being watched.

At any rate, the important thing IMO is that the children be protected.

And, I would think, that as teachers (I am assuming many of you do teach), you would think that is the most important thing as well.

Apparently, I was wrong, at least about some of the posters.

If I find out the guy was caught at it again and banned from the school, I will celebrate and share the news with you.

If nothing comes about, than I will not post on this thread again.

A sincere thank you to the posters who provided me with some sound advice.

RickThai

Yes...
It's all about the children.

B.S.

I believe the children are the future, RS.

What did you do Rick, was it this?

Originally Posted by RickThai

I think I know how to approach this now. I will talk with some very close Thai people (relatives) and tell them what I observed.
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..you talked to your relatives?

Couple of Changs and a game of spot the nonce. Great time killer.

As promised (on the now closed thread), I just found out that the teacher I was referring to in the other thread, has quit his "volunteer" job (about a week ago ) and is returning to his home country due to "ill heath".

That's all I know, and I hope this information doesn't stir up a sh-et storm from some of the more "tolerant" posters.

Good Riddance, I say!

RickThai