Judaism, Christianity, Islam and the bible

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22-12-2006, 04:16 PM
stroller

The bible is not required reading to discuss and comment on religion. ;)

It is your statements I am questioning, for example this one - I learned about a very different version of Christianity:

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All I have said here is basic knowledge to Christianity.

I am confused:
One must follow, i.e. become a true believer, or reject, i.e. become an enemy of god?
How can the 'Islamics' worship the same god, yet you call them enemies of god? Because they do not follow his plan for salvation, is this why they should be punished with death?
22-12-2006, 04:19 PM
ceburat

rethinking the state of israel

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Originally Posted by surasak

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Originally Posted by ceburat

God is God. If he wants to do it that why, so be it. Who are you or I to question God? You really should read some of the Bible. Many of your questions would be answered. Maybe all. Depends on your state of mind towards what you are reading.

So, God controls whether or not I'm going to read the Bible.

If I do, it's God's will. If I don't, it's God's will.

If the Jews win, it's God's will. If the Arabs build nukes and wipe out the Jews it's God's will.

So, why are we supporting Israel again?

Because every American is not as anti God as you. Try reading the Word of God and listen less to b.s. that people talk about religion.

As for your above post - simply put - SILLY
22-12-2006, 04:20 PM
Butterfly

^^ easy, stroller, you are asking too many specifics here :D
22-12-2006, 04:20 PM
Boon Mee

Here we go...this is why there have been so many wars over interpretation. The History Channel had on the other day a program about how the French had a little civil war over the Catholics and the Houganauts(sp). Ridiculous...
Give me Lord Buddha anytime even if some folks consider Buddhism a philosophy rather than a 'religion'.
22-12-2006, 04:22 PM
Butterfly

but others say that their version is the truth, not the King James Version, which could be a fraud for all we know, so who gets to decide which is one ? apparently not God
22-12-2006, 04:23 PM
Butterfly

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Give me Lord Buddha anytime even if some folks consider Buddhism a philosophy rather than a 'religion'.

Damn I hate to agree with you Boon Mee, what is the world coming to

This is the sign of end of times for sure :p
22-12-2006, 04:24 PM
man with no head

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Originally Posted by ceburat

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Originally Posted by surasak

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Originally Posted by ceburat

God is God. If he wants to do it that why, so be it. Who are you or I to question God? You really should read some of the Bible. Many of your questions would be answered. Maybe all. Depends on your state of mind towards what you are reading.

So, God controls whether or not I'm going to read the Bible.

If I do, it's God's will. If I don't, it's God's will.

If the Jews win, it's God's will. If the Arabs build nukes and wipe out the Jews it's God's will.

So, why are we supporting Israel again?

Because every American is not as anti God as you. Try reading the Word of God and listen less to b.s. that people talk about religion.

As for your above post - simply put - SILLY

What makes you think God isn't controlling what I post right now? Isn't it a bit ironic that you are judging someone else when in fact you yourself stated "God is God."

So why do silly mortals need to get involved in God's work? If rockets rain down on Tel Aviv and kill every Israeli inhabitant are you are telling me God isn't doing that? How could he not?
22-12-2006, 04:25 PM
man with no head

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

but others say that their version is the truth, not the King James Version, which could be a fraud for all we know, so who gets to decide which is one ? apparently not God

The irony of mortals deciding which version is 'correct'......
22-12-2006, 04:25 PM
ceburat

rethinking the state of israel

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Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

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Originally Posted by ceburat

A person must follow it or reject God. Up to him. This reject is sin. The punishment for sin is death.

It's been a while since I read the bible, but I am pretty sure Jesus put it differently......:cool:

Yes, Jesus said it differently. However, same meaning. If you want exact quotes I will be happy to look them up for you.
22-12-2006, 04:26 PM
man with no head

From Jesus himself? Amazing. And here all this time I was thinking humans were writing down stuff, printing it, etc......
22-12-2006, 04:28 PM
Butterfly

do we actually have proof that Jesus existed ? maybe the Jews are correct, he is not the son of God and he was a fraud. How can we tell ? who to believe ? the jews and their sects ? or Jesus with his new sect ?
22-12-2006, 04:29 PM
Boon Mee

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

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Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Give me Lord Buddha anytime even if some folks consider Buddhism a philosophy rather than a 'religion'.

Damn I hate to agree with you Boon Mee, what is the world coming to

This is the sign of end of times for sure :p

Wow!
This is a 'twofer' now...Stroll agreed with me about something recently too.:o
22-12-2006, 04:33 PM
Boon Mee

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Originally Posted by surasak

What makes you think God isn't controlling what I post right now? Isn't it a bit ironic that you are judging someone else when in fact you yourself stated "God is God."

G_D (the correct way to write 'his' name) is within everyone.
Perhaps a somewhat difficult concept for some to grasp but that's the way it is.
That's why I personally subscribe to the general philosophy Freemasons embrace which adheres to no specific 'religion'.
22-12-2006, 04:33 PM
man with no head

^Oh, shit, I agree with BM on something. Armageddon approaches.

^^I thought we were all children of God? Shit, and I thought Christianity was all about being equals.
22-12-2006, 04:42 PM
Butterfly

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

do we actually have proof that Jesus existed ? maybe the Jews are correct, he is not the son of God and he was a fraud. How can we tell ? who to believe ? the jews and their sects ? or Jesus with his new sect ?

eh oh cerubat, are you still there ? :D
22-12-2006, 04:43 PM
stroller

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Originally Posted by ceburat

Islam rejected Jesus because, as taught by the RCC of the time, Jesus was the son of God, but, not God. Islam therefore rejected the Lord Jesus as did the Jew's severl hundred years earlier.

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Originally Posted by surasak

^Full of it.

Jesus, Islam, the Quran, and the End of Times.

Yep.
And what was the answer? :rolleyes:

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You need to read the KJV of the Holy Bible and see for yourself. Then I think you will have a different view of the above reference.

So the KJV bible explains that and why Islam rejects Jesus. :confused:
22-12-2006, 04:43 PM
man with no head

(SHHHHH! He's talking to Jesus on the phone right now).
22-12-2006, 04:45 PM
man with no head

Muslims don't reject Jesus. They simply believe God is God and most powerful of all (therefore, Jesus was like all other prophets and messengers...a mortal).

It's the Jews who reject Jesus, not Muslims.
22-12-2006, 04:51 PM
Butterfly

yeah but Muslims reject jews, and Jesus was jewish
22-12-2006, 04:53 PM
ceburat

rethinking the state of israel

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Originally Posted by stroller

The bible is not required reading to discuss and comment on religion. ;)

It is your statements I am questioning, for example this one - I learned about a very different version of Christianity:

Quote:

All I have said here is basic knowledge to Christianity.

I am confused:
One must follow, i.e. become a true believer, or reject, i.e. become an enemy of god?
How can the 'Islamics' worship the same god, yet you call them enemies of god? Because they do not follow his plan for salvation, is this why they should be punished with death?

The for example you use above is not what I wrote.

Confused. You should not be, but, you are because you don't believe you need to read the Bible to discuss religion.

The reason that Islam is the enemy of God is because they do not obey God. Not in anyway.

Jesus was God in the flesh, and that means that God and Jesus are the same person, not two. Read the first chapter of the book of John, Holy Bible. Since they rejected the Lord Jesus the Islamics are rejecting the one and only true living God.

The Islamics do not preach and teach the same gospel as taught by the apostles. The books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, all four teach the gospel's. The book of Acts is the history of what the apostles did and taught. In Galatians, chapter 1, the apostle Paul say's that if any man or angel preach any other gospel unto you than what we preach, let him be cursed.
22-12-2006, 04:58 PM
stroller

Right, so they worship the same god as the Christians, but they are enemies of god and will be punished with death.

Thanks for clarifying.

Case closed.
22-12-2006, 05:03 PM
man with no head

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22-12-2006, 05:22 PM
ceburat

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Originally Posted by stroller

Right, so they worship the same god as the Christians, but they are enemies of god and will be punished with death.

Thanks for clarifying.

Case closed.

The Islamics claim to worship God, however, they do so as they or their prophet ordered. They do not worship God as he desires to be worshipped. Completely outlined proper way to worship God is contained in the New Testament of the Holy Bible.

sTROLLER in the corner again--closes down thread and makes a new one and then closes it. The case is closed or your brain??
22-12-2006, 05:23 PM
ceburat

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Originally Posted by stroller

Right, so they worship the same god as the Christians, but they are enemies of god and will be punished with death.

Thanks for clarifying.

Case closed.

You are welcome. I am glad you finally understand.
22-12-2006, 05:25 PM
ceburat

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Originally Posted by surasak

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