Thread: Any doubts about Climate Change?

Ermmm. Hmmm. So you think all tomatoe varieties thrive in the same climate conditions.

Originally Posted by Maanaam

Ermmm. Hmmm. So you think all tomatoe varieties thrive in the same climate conditions.

We only live 150 miles apart and I know exactly what the climate in Seattle is,quit being such a pest.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Must be poor gardening my tomatoes thrive thrive and our summers have a longer hot stretch than yours.

Not poor gardening you idiot it was blossom drop due to several days over 95 degrees last August. Not a normal heat wave in this area.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Just pointing out probably not climate related,at least not temperature wise.

You are not pointing out anything other than your own stupidity. All the problems I have had are temperature related as explained above you science denying old fool.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

We only live 150 miles apart and I know exactly what the climate in Seattle is

If you did not have your nose buried up fox new's ass you would be aware how much hotter it gets in the spring and summer. Seattle has shattered all time record highs over and over again the last few years we just had the hottest spring on record. It is not normal and never got this hot when I was a kid.

Originally Posted by bsnub

If you did not have your nose buried up fox new's ass you would be aware how much hotter it gets in the spring and summer. Seattle has shattered all time record highs over and over again the last few years we just had the hottest spring on record. It is not normal and never got this hot when I was a kid.

Thank you you for pointing that out,but as you quite often do you are jumping to a false conclusion.I was not denying that temperatures in the northwest are rising only doubting the fact your tomato failure was related to this change.

It is impossible to have a serious scientific discussion with someone like you, but please do write the names of the scientists who say it is a theory and those who say it is a hypothesis. What many "agree" on is, it is "most likely," not it is.... "Most likely is",is not "yes it is", if you have any understanding of scientific terminology.
For the record as your perception skills are non existent, I have said Climate change is happening but I have not seen hard evidence that the majority of it is caused by CO2, I said it may well be but it is yet unproven. I have said this on more than one occasion. So your assertion I am some "climate denier" is an outright lie. Please prove where my statement is wrong.
You are typical of those Alt left morons that when holding a belief denigrate and troll anyone who has a different point of view rather than engage in discourse, regardless if you have any knowledge of the subject matter or not, which in this case you so obviously do not. You have done this consistently with many posters who hold a different view, as if you, for some reason are superior, which is a reason you are held in such low regard and are the butt of jokes on TD. I am not a scientist as I do not hold a degree in science. I am an engineer. As you have denigrated my qualifications, what are your qualifications on the subject as you purport to know so much?... Thought so. Or as they say in scientific terms "extremely unlikely or non existent". May I suggest if you insist on staying on a forum you have absolutely nothing in common with, stick to advanced acronym addicts or continue the story and get some help with that inferiority complex.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Witless old fogey for sure green thumb highly doubtful. Make no mistake that my tomato's getting blossom drop was because of one thing only, day after day of exceedingly high temperatures.

Their was was the same temperatures here on the east side,probably even higher,and my tomatoes did just fine.

Originally Posted by bsnub

If you did not have your nose buried up fox new's ass you would be aware how much hotter it gets in the spring and summer. Seattle has shattered all time record highs over and over again the last few years we just had the hottest spring on record. It is not normal and never got this hot when I was a kid.

Not denying temperature change just pointing out that possibly you have poor gardening skills,and somehow you turn that into my denying temperature change.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

But are you denying it because you're a witless old fogey who is a climate change denier, or because you have green fingers?

Would you you point out one instance where I denied climate change.

Pentagon Has Emitted Over a Billion Metric Tons of Greenhouse Gases in Its War on Terror

With over 800 military bases in more than 80 countries, the Pentagon remains the “world’s largest institutional user of petroleum” and “producer of greenhouse gases.”

The United States military has emitted over a billion metric tons of greenhouse gases since the beginning of the global war on terrorism in 2001, according to a report from Brown University’s “Costs of War” project.

It is equivalent to the annual emissions of 257 million passenger cars, “more than double the current number of cars on the road in the U.S.”

With over 800 military bases in more than 80 countries, the Pentagon remains the “world’s largest institutional user of petroleum” and “producer of greenhouse gases.”

The Pentagon is not transparent when it comes to fuel consumption or greenhouse gas emissions. However, the project used the Department of Energy’s emissions data for the report’s estimates.

In 2017, the Pentagon’s greenhouse gas emissions were about 59 million metric tons. That same year, this was more than Finland (46.8 million metric tons), Sweden (50.8 million metric tons), or Denmark (33.5 million metric tons).

At least 400 million metric tons of greenhouse gases are a result of consumption in war zones in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, and Syria.

According to the report, “From 1998 to 2017, the U.S. purchased 2.4 billion barrels of petroleum fuel. Since the 9/11 attacks, annual fuel purchases have averaged more than 120 million barrels of all types of fuel. Between 2010 and 2015, the armed services purchased an average of 102 million barrels of fuel per year from the DOD.”

It is estimated the Pentagon consumed more than 85 million barrels of “operational fuel” in order to power its fleets of ships, aircraft, and combat vehicles. They also used the fuel for “contingency bases.” In total, $8.2 billion was spent.

Since 2001, the [Pentagon] has consistently consumed between 77 and 80 percent of all U.S. government energy consumption,” the report notes.

Installations that support operations, as well as military non-armored vehicles, are notorious in their guzzling of fuel. There are apparently 60,000 HUMVEEs that remain the U.S. Army’s fleet. They get about “four to eight miles per gallon of diesel fuel.”

Domestic and overseas military installations account for about 40 percent of the Pentagon’s greenhouse gas emissions.

The report briefly details how jet fuel is a major source of greenhouse gas emissions.



Aircraft are responsible for hundreds of tons of C02. Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan involved massive airstrikes, and materials were flown to setup bases for occupations.

“Similarly, the U.S. war against ISIS in Syria and Iraq, which began in August 2014, has entailed tens of thousands of aircraft sorties for various missions—from reconnaissance, to airlift, refueling, and weapons strikes. A B-2 Bomber on a mission from Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri might be refueled many times.

The project cites the following example from January 18, 2017: “Two B-2 Bombers, accompanied by 15 KC-135 and KC-10 aerial refueling tankers made a 30-hour round trip mission from Whiteman Air Force Base to Libya to drop bombs on ISIS targets in Libya.”

As the report mentions, the project did not account for emissions caused by the “burning of oil by sabotage” or the destruction of oil infrastructure. Nor did it account for energy consumed in the process of reconstruction efforts or the impact of deforestation.

“In Afghanistan, war-caused migration and illegal logging appear to be the chief cause of deforestation. The causes of deforestation in Iraq are complex but include war.”

While the U.S. military has plenty of resources to move to renewable energy, it has remained dependent on petroleum, which is a boon for the oil and gas industry.

Switches to renewable power generation between 2011 and 2015 have only offset less than one percent of the Pentagon’s greenhouse gas emissions.

The closure of U.S. military bases in addition to the end of wars would go a long way toward diminishing the U.S. government’s gigantic carbon footprint. Any plan to address climate change should contemplate demilitarization, given what is outlined in this report.

As Alice Slater, the New York director of the Nuclear Age Peace Foundation, wrote for The Nation, U.S. military bases are not only responsible for such massive amounts of greenhouse emissions but also devastating impacts caused by pollutants and toxic weapons.

“From Agent Orange in Vietnam, depleted uranium in Iraq, and munitions dumps and firing ranges in Vieques, Puerto Rico, to a toxic brew of poisons along the Potomac River, communities and soldiers as well as children born subsequent to exposure to these toxins are suffering a broad range of illnesses and inherited genetic damage, while the U.S. government ducks any accountability for the harm caused by its mindless dumping and reckless burial of untreated toxic military wastes,” Slater described.

Countries in Latin America, Africa, and Asia that have been impacted the most have been largely unable to convince or pressure the U.S. military into funding clean-up projects.

When one adds the toxic effects of U.S. military bases to the enormous amount of emissions over the past couple decades, it becomes clear a climate plan should include climate reparations for affected countries too.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/pentag...terror/259324/

Wow! U.S. military emissions: 1.2 billion metric tons of GHG since 2001 into 5x10^18 kg of atmosphere.

So that's less than 1 ppm then.

^That's why we have to care more about our emissions and be careful that no car maker (other than US) does not fake his figures (a slight adjusting) in order to being able to compensate for the military emissions (that are for the good purpose)...

A record high of 45C is expected in France as a potentially lethal heatwave hits the continent.
“The latest forecasts leave little room for doubt: we are heading for a new national record,” said a French forecaster, as peaks of 45C (113F) are forecast in southern towns on Friday.

The last time it hit 44+ in France, 15,000 people died.

Record temperatures are usually set later in the summer.

https://www.theweek.co.uk/101947/rec...s-hell-arrives

Not really kept up to speed on this thread, but fat ex vice president said we will all be dead by 2020.
Don't understand that, as AIDs was going to kill half the population of the world and we would run out of oil by 2016, no cars, trucks etc.

Must have been true as governments said so.

So now we need to spend trillions of dollars to try and fix the globe warming end of life predictions.
Carl Sagan, smart man, said 52 megatons nukes would send the world into a nuclear winter, no shortage of nukes, middle east gone tomorrow, no globe warming, problem solved'

Not like that, how about simple answers, iron seeding of oceans, iron makes plankton grow, or maybe painting roofs white, thus reflecting heat back out into space.

Originally Posted by jamescollister

but fat ex vice president said we will all be dead by 2020.

Stopped reading at this straw man because you just know the bar has been set low and it's not likely going to get any better.

Heat wave puts Italy, France on highest ‘red’ weather alert


Prague (AP) — France’s national weather service issued its highest-level danger alert Thursday as it warned that parts of the country could expect temperatures to reach an “exceptional peak” Friday amid a record-setting heat wave in Europe.


Meteo France raised the hazardous weather warning to “red,” the highest level, for the Marseille and Montpellier areas in southeastern France, forecasting hazardous temperatures of 42-45 degrees Celsius (107-113 F) on Friday.

It was the first red alert Meteo France activated since a four-level weather “vigilance” system was introduced following an estimated 15,000 heat-related deaths in France during a 2003 summer heat wave.

“A heat wave of this amplitude so early in the year, in June, is exceptional,” Meteo France meteorologist France Christelle Robert said. “We should expect more intense and frequent heat waves with climate change, because it will accentuate the extremes.”


The Italian Health Ministry said seven cities, including Florence, Rome and Turin, already were at Italy’s highest heat warning level Thursday.

On Friday, 16 cities will be under alerts for high temperatures.

Italian authorities instructed people to avoid being outside during the hottest hours of the day and to stay away from areas with a lot of vehicle traffic to prevent ozone exposure.

In France, a red extreme weather warning advises extra precautions for children and older people and cautions that even those in good health are at risk of heat stroke.

Most of the rest of France remained on the next-highest “orange” alert. In Paris and other big cities, including Marseille, authorities banned older cars since high heat exacerbates air pollution.

Amid the blistering weather in Europe, hundreds of firefighters struggled to contain a wildfire in northeastern Spain that forced the evacuation of 53 residents.

Firefighters said temperatures over 30 degrees Celsius (86 F), low humidity and high winds fanned the flames.

Miquel Buch, the regional interior minister, said authorities suspect the Catalonia region’s worst fire in two decades started when the heat caused improperly stored chicken manure to combust at a farm.

In the Czech Republic, where a new June temperature record was set this week, were set this week, gorillas and polar bears at Prague’s zoo kept cool by eating their own version of sorbet.

Zookeepers have presented the animals with big blocks of frozen water in a form that suits them, and with ingredients to suit their tastes.
The gorillas had two blocks with a mixture of fruits inside, including pieces of orange, apple, pear, kiwi, carrot, pineapple and mango, hanging from ropes in their outdoor enclosure.

The zoo’s eight Western lowland gorillas stuck to a clear hierarchy. Richard, the dominant male, had a chunk of ice for him own. The other seven have to share one among them all.

The three polar bears get an icy block each. Fish is the main ingredient.

https://www.pattayamail.com/worldnews/heat-wave-puts-italy-france-on-highest-red-weather-alert-258228

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

The last time it hit 44+ in France, 15,000 people died.

Record temperatures are usually set later in the summer.

https://www.theweek.co.uk/101947/rec...s-hell-arrives

The record was smashed with 45.9C.

And it was broken all over the country, too, not just locally.

FIFA of course denied a request from Holland to move the football kick off to the evening.

So we'll get a look at what playing in Qatar would be like.

Republicans have a new approach to Climate Change legislation:

If you lose the vote, sabotage democracy and threaten to use armed force to do it.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...te-crisis-bill

Anchorage, Alaska, reported its hottest ever temperature of 90F yesterday. It's expected again today.

I wonder how hot it was in Anchorage, in 1934?




Meanwhile, in the Netherlands, July 4th...



EAST NETHERLANDS RECORDS ITS COLDEST EVER JULY TEMPERATURE


In the east of Holland, rare July ground frost was measured overnight Wednesday into Thursday as an anomalous cold front replaces Europe’s 3-days of heat.


At the former Twente airbase, the temperature plunged to -1.6C (29F) on July 04, which, according to Weerplaza weather agency, was a new all-time record-low for the month of July, for the east of the country.


The previous low was -1.5C (29.3F) measured in Gilze and Rijen on July 01, 1984 (solar minimum of cycle 21).


https://electroverse.net/east-nether...y-temperature/

Originally Posted by JetsetBkk

I wonder how hot it was in Anchorage, in 1934?

Well it wasn't over 90F otherwise it wouldn't be a record, would it you dumb shit.

According to the National Weather Service, the temperature hit 90 degrees at Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport. The previous record high temperature of 85 degrees was set on June 14, 1969. The average high temperature for July 4 is 75 degrees.

Wrangell is about 300km south.

Meanwhile, in the Netherlands, July 4th...


EAST NETHERLANDS RECORDS ITS COLDEST EVER JULY TEMPERATURE

Do you understand what Climate CHANGE means?


Oh, stupid question really.

All this hot air must be changing the climate at TD if nowhere else

Originally Posted by docmartin

All this hot air must be changing the climate at TD if nowhere else

It's fucking roasting.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Well it wasn't over 90F otherwise it wouldn't be a record, would it you dumb shit.




Wrangell is about 300km south.




Do you understand what Climate CHANGE means?


Oh, stupid question really.

Umm Let me guess. The climate is changing. Of course it is no longer referred to as global warming for this precise reason because some places are getting cooler. In other words Global warming is not uniform around the planet. Meteorology is a complex science and is the reason why it is so hard to model. In the 90s 400 ppm of CO2 was going to be a disaster but of course it wasn't. The scientists weren't totally wrong, there are just climate variables that were not taken into account but as meteorological understanding increases so will the forecasting accuracy.
The rate of sea level rise is also nowhere as high as predicted. Possibly partly due to the many dams that have been built over that period which has mitigated some outflows to the sea causing a slower increase. A lot more may need to be built, however that will slow the problem at best not cure it and the cost to the local environment will be needed to be taken into account. This could be partially offset with hydro electricity installations taking the place of coal fired power stations where feasible.

Originally Posted by Hugh Cow

The rate of sea level rise is also nowhere as high as predicted. Possibly partly due to the many dams that have been built over that period which has mitigated some outflows to the sea causing a slower increase.

Mary mother of the baby fucking jesus help us. We can stop sea level rise by ..... building dams.