Thread: Any doubts about Climate Change?

Naomi Klein, the writer of The Shock Doctrine is focusing more and more on climate change these days. Bill Moyers interviews her here if you are interested. Some great observations in this video.


Naomi Klein on Capitalism and Climate Change | Moyers & Company | BillMoyers.com



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Originally Posted by chassamui

Until people are threatened directly with something they actually care about, it's just too easy to go with the flow.

People are alredy directly threatened with everything they care about. The problem is the evidence is not obvious and right in their face and it is too easy to close the eyes.

There is currently no direct threat to us, our family, our livelihoods or our homes, therefore nothing will happen. Listen to the quiet reasonable voices.
Take my family away or my home ............ maybe the quiet reasonable voices will be heard.

Originally Posted by chassamui

Naomi Klein is a very smart and likeable woman. Almost too nice for the issue. She is calm, sensible, reasonably articulate and convincing.

The problem is the deniers are all like rabid dogs spreading scare stories and conspiracy theories. They will always grab the headlines with their sensational stories.

Until people are threatened directly with something they actually care about, it's just too easy to go with the flow.

Then when the polar ice caps retreat they're the first to get excited and scramble for the supposed benefits of easier access to oil and gas reserves there, or the chance to grow grapes in Scotland without ever acknowledging their previous normaloid clone-like denial of the the fact of climate change.

Originally Posted by chassamui

The problem is the deniers are all like rabid dogs....

The anti global warming crowd said from the beginning ,it's just climate change it's always happened, always will.
So how can they be climate change deniers ?
The real problem is from the it's man generated crowd , as
they are using the same tactics they used to beat down anyone opposed to open borders, normalising homosexuality, etc methods lifted from thier military style politically correct
'' You're a Racist now shut up '' handbook .

Now this time they may even have championed a real cause that ,but nobodies listening anymore because we are sick of thier bullying name calling style.

Climate changes have always occurred as a result of global warming and cooling.

The one we're going through now is different from previous ones as there's an anthropogenic factor involved, where carbon emissions over the last 200yrs have exarcebated the effects of natural patterns of this climate change.

Carbon emissions are only one part of the anthropogenic pollution occurring as increasingly industrialised human populations dump more toxic wastes into the oceans than ever before, destroying other ecosystems with whom we previously co-existed with.

This has a further knock-on effect in altering the atmosphere and oceans and ultimately again, land based populations of various species, many of which are becoming extinct at an alarming rate. It's estimated that 20% of all current species of life will be extinct in 30 years time.

Here's a clip of a non-believer who was converted after watching a documentary called Chasing Ice. She was a devout follower of Fox New's Bill O'reilly but that's changed.





The movie site with some info on the movie. Guess it's only in some theaters right now.

Chasing Ice


Movie Trailer

Climate change fro my perspective:

The earth got its own central heating installed on top of its planet. Working everyday all year arround, and getting stronger!

More amazing climate change pictures (my opinion)and movies released for the first time in amazing quality
NASA - NASA-NOAA Satellite Reveals New Views of Earth at Night

Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

The earth got its own central heating installed on top of its planet. Working everyday all year round, and getting stronger!

Good news indeed, feckin hate winter.

Don’t purchase waterfront property (in low-lying coastal areas) as an investment and if you own some dump it: http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journ...imate1778.html

A new study published in the scientific journal Nature Climate Change estimates that at its worst, sea level rise attributed to the melting of Earth’s polar ice caps and glaciers may displace up to 187 million people within the next 100 years.

An assessment of expert opinion published Sunday finds that most leading climate scientists are divided on how rapidly the planet’s glaciers and ice caps will deteriorate, leading to a wide divergence of opinion on how much that melting will contribute to sea levels between present day and 2100.

After charting detailed responses from 26 leading experts, researchers came back with a median estimate of projected sea level rise at just 29 centimeters. The worst estimate is 84 centimeters.


The results are significantly worse than the last projection (PDF) by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in 2007, which suggested that at best the world would see 18 centimeters of sea level rise, and at worst 59 centimeters.

While neither measurement sounds like much taken out of context, the potential for destruction becomes clear when visualized using tools like Climate Central’s Surging Seas map, which simulates how far inland water would travel if sea levels rise according to recent scientific predictions.

If the worst-case-scenario from Nature Climate Change‘s latest study were to become reality, a significant portion of Hoboken, New Jersey would become an island, while most of New York harbor would be completely flooded. Much of New Orleans would be underwater as well, along with parts of Baton Rouge, Lafayette and Lake Charles. Houston would be similarly devastated, as would the geography of south Florida — just to name a few.

That’s just in the United States. Around the world, damages from once-in-a-century storms causing historic flooding every few years or less would devastate poorer societies, causing mass migrations away from coastal areas. That raises the potential for conflicts over resources, something the U.S. Director of national intelligence has warned is highly likely in the next century.

Scientists writing in Nature Climate Change warned that there was a 1 in 20 chance of the worst-case-scenario coming true, but that chance increases along with the rate of melting. If it does, roughly 187 million people world wide will likely be forced from their homes due to flooding: a catastrophic scenario, to say the least.

New climate change projections surpass previous estimates and threaten 187 million

MMGW.

That's why China & Russia for example are having the coldest winter in decades?

India is freezing it's ass off.

Right...

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

MMGW.

That's why China & Russia for example are having the coldest winter in decades?

India is freezing it's ass off.

Right...

If someone keeps confusing weather with climate after being told many times, is it stupidity or intent?

Originally Posted by Takeovers

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

MMGW.

That's why China & Russia for example are having the coldest winter in decades?

India is freezing it's ass off.

Right...

If someone keeps confusing weather with climate after being told many times, is it stupidity or intent?

It is like life. Life is what happens while you are making big plans and weather is what happens while the climate is changing.

Originally Posted by S Landreth

Most people have moved past this shit information you continually post.

Indeed

Originally Posted by Mid

Originally Posted by S Landreth

Most people have moved past this shit information you continually post.

Indeed

Imagine that!

It's 'shit' information 'cause it don't fit his narrative.

Let ya in on a little secret there dude - the jury is still out on this MMGW B.S. Even Al Gore has thrown in the towel and sold out to the evil oil cartels with that nobody watches Current TV.

US study warns of extreme heat, more severe storms
12/01/2013

A government report warned Friday that the United States could face more frequent severe weather including heat waves and storms for decades to come as temperatures rise far beyond levels being planned for.


Browned farmland is seen near Ames, Iowa, August 28, 2012. A government report warned that the United States could face more frequent severe weather including heat waves and storms for decades to come as temperatures rise far beyond levels being planned for.

The draft Third National Climate Assessment, a scientific study legally mandated to advise US policymakers, made few bones that carbon emissions have been causing climate change -- a source of controversy among some lawmakers.

"Evidence for climate change abounds, from the top of the atmosphere to the depths of the oceans," the study said. "The sum total of this evidence tells an unambiguous story: The planet is warming."

The study, which was submitted for public and expert review and could be revised, said there was "strong evidence" that human activity had already roughly doubled the probability of extreme heat of the kind seen in Texas and Oklahoma in the summer of 2011.

The assessment expected temperatures to keep rising and offered different scenarios for the future -- including temperatures rising between 2.8 and 5.6 degrees Celsius (5 and 10 degrees Fahrenheit) after 2050 if emissions climb further.

Such a rise would be far beyond the level anticipated by world leaders in UN-backed climate change negotiations, which have committed to holding warming to no more than two degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels.

The report warned that climate change "threatens human health and well-being in many ways," including through more frequent storms, wildfires, diseases and worse air quality.

Rising sea levels have already damaged infrastructure and climate change could increasingly reduce the reliability of water supplies, particularly in the southern half of the United States and Great Plains, the report said.

While US agriculture will likely remain resilient in the next 25 years, yields of major crops could start declining by mid-century and warming oceans could threaten fish, the study said.

The draft assessment said that some additional climate change was "now unavoidable" but said that "Americans face choices."

"Beyond the next few decades, the amount of climate change will still largely be determined by choices society makes about emissions," it said.

"Lower emissions mean less future warming and less severe impacts; higher emissions would mean more warming and more severe impacts," it said.

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