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    Quote Originally Posted by aging one View Post
    Looking forward to your next 40+ degree days coming up? How many did you have a year when you were say 8-15 years old?
    As I live 118 miles to the south of British Columbia's capital city, Vancouver, I can answer that.

    The answer is never, and especially not in June, when it was typically overcast and rainy. It was a running joke amongst the local weathermen as to whether the sun would even come out at all for the 4th of July.

    That said, 90f/32c days were also a rarity, even in August. No longer the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    As I live 118 miles to the south of British Columbia's capital city, Vancouver, I can answer that.
    Oh well, I guess geography has never really been Americans strongest suit. Do you think Toronto is the capital of Canada too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    If I didn't know better I'd say repeater is in favour of phasing out fossil fuels for renewables.

    If true, that's real progress.

    Of course I am,always have been but in an orderly process that makes sense and just turning off the oil spigot makes no sens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    just turning off the oil spigot makes no sens.
    It might make more sense than you do, especially if it were true. No one is recommending that. Just oil companies spending big money trying to secure the best alternative to fossil fuels, while they still have the time, and the money.
    Try googling the R&D budgets for BP, Shell and others.

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    But Khun Peter never lets reality get in the way of a right wing moan.

    'Orderly process'

    Equal parts and

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    Quote Originally Posted by pickel View Post
    Oh well, I guess geography has never really been Americans strongest suit. Do you think Toronto is the capital of Canada too?
    In my defense, I was on the icy pops when I posted that. I truly did know that it was Victoria.

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    just turning off the oil spigot makes no sens
    Deniers cry over and over about the same tired bogus subjects

    We’ve been over this time and time again…………




    How to spot the tricks Big Oil uses to subvert action on climate change

    Three ways fossil fuel companies try to trick the public.

    Aware of the science but afraid of the impacts it might have on their returns, oil executives funded opposition research that “attacked consensus and exaggerated the uncertainties” on the science of climate change for many years, with the goal of undermining support for climate action.

    Their messaging has worked for so long because Big Oil has become really good at stretching the truth.

    So what are the talking points the oil industry uses to try to convince the public in these PR blitzes?

    People can recognize fossil fuel industry talking points by thinking about what they’re designed to do. In general, fossil fuel talking points are designed to do three things: make people believe that climate action will hurt them, and hurt their pocketbooks in particular; make people think we need fossil fuels; and try to convince us that climate change isn’t such a big deal.

    1) Right now, they’re really hammering the point that climate action is going to hurt jobs and the economy.

    It is true that if we phase out the fossil fuel industry there are going to be people, and indeed whole communities, that will need to find their livelihood in different industries. That is absolutely true.

    But two things about that: Number one, you can design policies so that those people don’t suffer, and number two, you can put incentives in place so that the new jobs are created in the geographical regions that are already depopulated and suffering economically, because the fossil fuel industry is not actually prosperous enough anymore to sustain a vibrant economy in those regions to begin with.

    So you can set up both: policies to ease the transition and policies to incentivize new investment so that the economy ends up more vibrant in these locations than it was before. Nothing is inevitable. The transition can be managed.


    • But in the end,……….


    We’ve got to keep climate change in the foreground of people’s attention


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    Zeke Hausfather - Based on the first six months of the year and the El Nino/La Nina forecast, we can estimate where 2021 will end up. We find that it will very likely be somewhere between the 5th and 7th warmest year on record, consistent with the long-term warming trend: https://twitter.com/hausfath/status/1419693283488399364

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    It might make more sense than you do, especially if it were true. No one is recommending that. Just oil companies spending big money trying to secure the best alternative to fossil fuels, while they still have the time, and the money.
    Try googling the R&D budgets for BP, Shell and others.

    My post was directed at Harry who has more than said the fix to climate change was to shut down fossil fuels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    My post was directed at Harry who has more than said the fix to climate change was to shut down fossil fuels.
    Are you suggesting that I am not allowed to comment on obvious inaccuracies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buckaroo Banzai View Post
    I guess when the US under the trump administration pulled out of The Paris Agreement for four long years did so under pressure from the "climate change regime " , right?

    And it was reversed just like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    My post was directed at Harry who has more than said the fix to climate change was to shut down fossil fuels.
    God you're thick. They have been fobbing the world off for years by convincing gullible old fools like you that they aren't the problem.

    The climate crisis of the 21st century has been caused largely by just 90 companies, which between them produced nearly two-thirds of the greenhouse gas emissions generated since the dawning of the industrial age, new research suggests.

    The companies range from investor-owned firms – household names such as Chevron, Exxon and BP – to state-owned and government-run firms.

    The analysis, which was welcomed by the former vice-president Al Gore as a "crucial step forward" found that the vast majority of the firms were in the business of producing oil, gas or coal, found the analysis, which
    has been published in the journal Climatic Change.


    "There are thousands of oil, gas and coal producers in the world," climate researcher and author Richard Heede at the Climate Accountability
    Institute in Colorado said. "But the decision makers, the CEOs, or the ministers of coal and oil if you narrow it down to just one person, they could all fit on a Greyhound bus or two."


    Half of the estimated emissions were produced just in the past 25 years – well past the date when governments and corporations became aware that rising greenhouse gas emissions from the burning of coal and oil were causing dangerous climate change.
    Just 90 companies caused two-thirds of man-made global warming emissions | Greenhouse gas emissions | The Guardian

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    Are you suggesting that I am not allowed to comment on obvious inaccuracies?

    You can comment on anything you want I could care less what you do. I was only pointing out that the intent of my post was quite accurate as it was directed at Harry who has on more than one occasion that turning off the fossil fuel spigot is the answer to climate change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    God you're thick. They have been fobbing the world off for years by convincing gullible old fools like you that they

    Just 90 companies caused two-thirds of man-made global warming emissions | Greenhouse gas emissions | The Guardian

    Seems you are the thick one is you where in my post do you read that I denied fossil fuels are not a leading factor in carbon pollution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    You can comment on anything you want I could care less what you do. I was only pointing out that the intent of my post was quite accurate as it was directed at Harry who has on more than one occasion that turning off the fossil fuel spigot is the answer to climate change.
    Because the fossil fuel industries conned the public we are 25 years late addressing the problem, massive damage has been done and the urgency to switch away from burning fuels to the atmosphere is critical.

    Even if they stopped it all immediately, there are barriers that have been broken that will cause problems in the future.

    But you don't care repeater, you'll be pushing up the daisies when your coffin is underwater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switch View Post
    It might make more sense than you do, especially if it were true. No one is recommending that. Just oil companies spending big money trying to secure the best alternative to fossil fuels, while they still have the time, and the money.
    Try googling the R&D budgets for BP, Shell and others.
    Big oil loves keeping the focus on solar and wind because they can never replace base energy in any real way. Nuclear could. And that's what they are afraid of.

    China builds coal fired plants every week. And they actually produce real pollution in the atmosphere. Why ? Because of the hypocritical anti nuclear drive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Because the fossil fuel industries conned the public we are 25 years late addressing the problem, massive damage has been done and the urgency to switch away from burning fuels to the atmosphere is critical.

    Even if they stopped it all immediately, there are barriers that have been broken that will cause problems in the future.

    But you don't care repeater, you'll be pushing up the daisies when your coffin is underwater.

    Where do you come up with the idea that I don’t care? I have posted several articles on coming tech. to reverse climate change I just don’t think waking up one day and shutting off fossil fuels will work. A smooth transfer has the only chance of working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    Where do you come up with the idea that I don’t care? I have posted several articles on coming tech. to reverse climate change I just don’t think waking up one day and shutting off fossil fuels will work. A smooth transfer has the only chance of working.
    There is no time for a "smooth transition" which for the fossil fuel companies would be another 25 years or more if they had their way.

    For a start, stop subsidising them and spend the money on health care instead.

    Conservative estimates put U.S. direct subsidies to the fossil fuel industry at roughly $20 billion per year; with 20 percent currently allocated to coal and 80 percent to natural gas and crude oil. European Union subsidies are estimated to total 55 billion euros annually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    There is no time for a "smooth transition" which for the fossil fuel companies would be another 25 years or more if they had their way.

    For a start, stop subsidising them and spend the money on health care instead.

    Why would you advocate spending the money on healthcare when the major problem here is global warming it seems spending the money on development of carbon capture technologies might be a better choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    Why would you advocate spending the money on healthcare when the major problem here is global warming it seems spending the money on development of carbon capture technologies might be a better choice.
    I said spend *that* money on healthcare, because you should do.

    You can tax the fuck out of them to both compress demand for fossil fuels and accelerate the move to renewables. If they spend money on renewables, you can give them tax breaks.

    But subsidies should be gone.

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    Why waste money on carbon capture. That will merely attempt to mitigate the problem. CO2 is only one by product of burning coal there are many pollutants that are also released from burning coal. It would seem more logical to spend money removing the problem rather trying to mitigate it. It would also seem illogical to burn more coal to supply the energy to make carbon capture storage equipment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Why waste money on carbon capture. That will merely attempt to mitigate the problem. CO2 is only one by product of burning coal there are many pollutants that are also released from burning coal. It would seem more logical to spend money removing the problem rather trying to mitigate it. It would also seem illogical to burn more coal to supply the energy to make carbon capture storage equipment.

    I have read articles lately that say simply eliminating fossil fuels alone will not achieve the intended goal of slowing climate change some carbon will need to be removed from the atmosphere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Why waste money on carbon capture. That will merely attempt to mitigate the problem. CO2 is only one by product of burning coal there are many pollutants that are also released from burning coal. It would seem more logical to spend money removing the problem rather trying to mitigate it. It would also seem illogical to burn more coal to supply the energy to make carbon capture storage equipment.
    If the fossil fuel industry is involved, I would suggest:

    1. There is money to be made out of it.
    2. They can use it as an excuse to continue their destructive ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    You'll be dead before it hits the market. If it ever does.

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    ^^Watch and wait

    This week, the company said its first commercial product is a “rechargeable iron-air battery capable of delivering electricity for 100 hours at system costs competitive with conventional power plants and at less than 1/10th the cost of lithium-ion.

    Wiley says a 300 MW pilot project for Minnesota-based Great River Energy will be commissioned in 2023.

    Form Energy Reveals Iron-Air 100 Hour Storage Battery | CleanTechnica

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