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    While everyone argues about who did what and who should cut carbon emissions (especially us naughty aussies with high emmissions per capita), there is the fly in the ointment that will kill most of Europe's good intentions in leading the world on climate change unless We diversify away from China. There are many good reasons why we should. and this article is worth a read

    https://www.xxx.xxx.xx/news/2020-10-...ality/12772034

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    While everyone argues about who did what and who should cut carbon emissions (especially us naughty aussies with high emmissions per capita), there is the fly in the ointment that will kill most of Europe's good intentions in leading the world on climate change unless We diversify away from China. There are many good reasons why we should. and this article is worth a read

    https://www.xxx.xxx.xx/news/2020-10-...ality/12772034
    Take the original link and pump it into TinyURL.com then post the result here.

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    NASA - September 2020 was the warmest September recorded. The January-September 2020 mean of +1.05°C relative to 1951-1980 has pulled almost even with 2016 (+1.06°C). There is an acceleration of the global warming rate in the past decade.


    NASA

    Zeke Hausfather - While it’s too early to know with any certainty – particularly given the growing La Nina in the tropical Pacific – it appears that 2020 is still favored to be the warmest year on record in the NASA GISTEMP dataset: https://twitter.com/hausfath/status/1316413677919109121


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    Sit on your asses and state the bleeding obvious ad infinitum on this thread so that you dont actually have to get off your collective fat asses and actually do something.
    Still reeling from the answer I gave you down the alley about the most powerful thing any individual can do to help with the effects of the changing climate is to vote?

    Biden: 'I would transition from the oil industry'

    Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden pledged to transition away from fossil fuels Thursday night while defending a climate plan that does not ban fracking.

    Biden has faced repeated attacks on fracking from President Trump as focus increasingly shifts to Pennsylvania, a crucial battleground state where the drilling method is used.

    Biden’s climate plan does not call for a ban on fracking, but other features would hit the oil industry. He calls for no new drilling on public lands and would transition to net-zero emissions by 2050, which would limit the oil industry.

    “I do rule out banning fracking because we need other industries to transition to only net-zero emissions,” Biden said. “What I will do with fracking over time is make sure we can capture the emissions from fracking, capture the emissions from gas.”

    “I would transition from the oil industry, yes,” Biden said later. “It’s a big statement because the oil industry pollutes significantly. ... It has to be replaced by renewable energy over time.”: Biden: 'I would transition from the oil industry' | TheHill

    We need policy change. See above

    The best thing you can do to stop climate change is to vote against Republicans: What you can do to stop climate change: vote against Republicans - Vox
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    The best thing you can do to stop climate change is to vote against Republicans
    Ain't that the truth.

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    The segment in the post below from Carbon Brief does not include October’s data.


    • State of the climate: 2020 on course to be warmest year on record


    While this year will be memorable for many reasons, it is now more likely than not that 2020 will also be the warmest year for the Earth’s surface since reliable records began in the mid-1800s.

    This is all the more remarkable because it will lack any major El Niño event – a factor that has contributed to most prior record warm years.

    However, with three months remaining, there is still some uncertainty. There is a chance that a growing La Niña in the tropical Pacific may drive cooler temperatures leading to a second-place finish – at least in some of the global temperature records produced by different groups of researchers around the world.

    The first nine months of the year saw record concentrations of major greenhouse gases – CO2, methane, and nitrous oxide – in the atmosphere. Arctic sea ice extent was at record low levels for much of the summer and the summer minimum clocked in as the second lowest on record after 2012.

    While climate records are a useful benchmark to highlight the warming of the planet, the change in temperatures, sea ice and other climate factors over time are much more important than if any single year sets a new record.

    There has been a clear warming trend over the past 50 years, along with hints in some datasets of potential acceleration in recent years. Similarly, both sea ice extent and volume are clearly declining over time.: State of the climate: 2020 on course to be warmest year on record




    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Sit on your asses and state the bleeding obvious ad infinitum on this thread so that you dont actually have to get off your collective fat asses and actually do something.
    We have: Election results live: Biden wins the presidency, defeats Trump - Business Insider . As I have stated before,……the most powerful thing any individual can do to curb the effects of Climate Change is to Vote. Policy Change is what is needed.

    • Columbus voters approve green-energy aggregation plan


    In final, unofficial precinct returns Tuesday Columbus voters were overwhelmingly in favor of Issue 1, an "opt-out" green-energy electricity aggregation plan that promises to supply 100% of the city's power needs with renewable energy by 2023.: Election results: Voters approve Columbus Issue 1 on energy

    • Nevada Voters Approve Renewable Energy Mandate


    Nevada voters approved a constitutional amendment Tuesday that requires the state to get at least half its electricity from renewable sources by 2030.

    Voters gave the final OK to Question 6, known as the Nevada Renewable Energy Standards Initiative, by a margin of 56%-44%. Nevada constitutional amendments require voters to approve the measure twice. The initiative gained initial approval from nearly 60% of voters in 2018.

    The now-approved ballot initiative was proposed by a group backed by billionaire environmentalist and onetime Democratic presidential hopeful Tom Steyer. Question 6 amends the state's constitution to boost the state's renewable portfolio standard, or RPS, to require utilities to draw 50% of their power from renewable sources by 2030.: Nevada Voters Approve Renewable Energy Mandate - Law360

    • Governor Newsom Announces California Will Phase Out Gasoline-Powered Cars & Drastically Reduce Demand for Fossil Fuel in California’s Fight Against Climate Change


    Governor Gavin Newsom today announced that he will aggressively move the state further away from its reliance on climate change-causing fossil fuels while retaining and creating jobs and spurring economic growth – he issued an executive order requiring sales of all new passenger vehicles to be zero-emission by 2035 and additional measures to eliminate harmful emissions from the transportation sector.: Governor Newsom Announces California Will Phase Out Gasoline'-'Powered Cars & Drastically Reduce Demand for Fossil Fuel in California’s Fight Against Climate Change | California Governor



    • Edit: The US just left the Paris climate agreement/Why the presidential election matters so much for global action on climate change.


    But former Vice President Joe Biden has pledged to rejoin the accord “on day one” if he becomes president.: https://www.vox.com/21545960/paris-a...climate-change - https://www.axios.com/trumps-paris-a...4c8fb90e9.html
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    NOAA’s and NASA’s October numbers are in.

    NOAA – year to date it is the 2nd warmest year


    National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI) formerly known as National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) | NCEI offers access to the most significant archives of oceanic, atmospheric, geophysical and coastal data.

    Prediction……..

    Gavin Schmidt - In the horse-race for the warmest year, 2020 is ahead of 2016 by a nose, but it's going to be a photo-finish. Either way, the margin is likely to be within the uncertainty of our ability to estimate the true real world anomaly.: https://twitter.com/ClimateOfGavin/s...88367642537988


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    Back in the day one of my lecturers made the point any output of data can give you any answer you want depending on how you manipulate the inputs. Since then I have always been wary of any research data. As for climate...it's always changing. 15,000 years ago we had a mini ice age!

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    A bit late for all the promises and promotion, ain't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Take the original link and pump it into TinyURL.com then post the result here.
    As you wish.

    https://tinyurl.com/y5vm8qdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    The original link.

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    ^Interesting. Still in it's infancy obviously, but we may need to rely on that (CO2 scrubbing?). If and when we finally overcome our bed wetting reaction to nuclear energy, we will have access to virtually unlimited energy and produce near zero carbon emission. Thus, powering such beasties will not be an issue.

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    Looks like repeater is slowly getting the message when he's quoting (or trying to) pieces like this.

    “Of all geoengineering schemes, direct air capture is probably the safest and most efficacious, but it is currently far more expensive than the much more obvious and simple solution: Stopping the burning of fossil fuels,” Mann says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Looks like repeater is slowly getting the message when he's quoting (or trying to) pieces like this.

    What message would that be Harry? I have never questioned climate change only the lefties response it appears if this can be developed it is a great option that would not only clear the atmosphere but not destroy the world economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    What message would that be Harry? I have never questioned climate change only the lefties response it appears if this can be developed it is a great option that would not only clear the atmosphere but not destroy the world economy.
    "The lefties".

    As opposed to the dumb fucking righties who are doing a great job of killing as it stands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumpy John View Post
    Back in the day one of my lecturers made the point any output of data can give you any answer you want depending on how you manipulate the inputs. Since then I have always been wary of any research data. As for climate...it's always changing. 15,000 years ago we had a mini ice age!
    We had a mini ice age that ended about 150 years ago How the Little Ice Age Changed History | The New Yorker

    11,700 years ago was the end of the last full scale ice age. Pleistocene Epoch: Facts About the Last Ice Age | Live Science

    Climate has and always will fluctuate, with potentially disastrous results. How's that for making us humans feel small?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTraveler View Post
    We had a mini ice age that ended about 150 years ago How the Little Ice Age Changed History | The New Yorker

    11,700 years ago was the end of the last full scale ice age. Pleistocene Epoch: Facts About the Last Ice Age | Live Science

    Climate has and always will fluctuate, with potentially disastrous results. How's that for making us humans feel small?
    The current "fluctuation" is man made.

    We know this exactly because we know what has caused changes in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTraveler View Post
    We had a mini ice age
    Not this shit again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    "The lefties".

    As opposed to the dumb fucking righties who are doing a great job of killing as it stands.

    As usual and being true to your hate you left out your thoughts on what the post was all about. Do you not think that a development that would not only keep carbon emissions from entering the atmosphere but produce a product that can actually have value thus helping the world economy. But never mind the original post just keep on hating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    As usual and being true to your hate you left out your thoughts on what the post was all about. Do you not think that a development that would not only keep carbon emissions from entering the atmosphere but produce a product that can actually have value thus helping the world economy. But never mind the original post just keep on hating.
    I think the best solution is in your fucking post you demented coffin dodger.

    Stop reliance on fossil fuels and for fucking sure stop subsiding big oil.

    If you think spending fortunes sucking CO2 out of the air is the answer, think about that when those fortunes are coming from the taxpayers, not the companies causing it.

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    TOKYO (Reuters) - Japanese lawmakers on Thursday declared a climate emergency in a symbolic vote aimed at increasing pressure for action to combat global warming after the government last month committed to a firm timetable for net-zero emissions.

    With the vote by parliament’s powerful lower chamber, Japan - the world’s fifth-biggest carbon emitter - joins fellow Group of Seven members Britain, Canada and France in similar resolutions, as well as the European Union as a bloc and nearly 2,000 regional and city authorities around the world.

    Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga last month announced Japan would aim to cut greenhouse gas emissions to net zero by 2050, a major shift for the world’s third-largest economy which relies heavily on imported fossil fuels for its energy sources.

    The emergency, non-binding declaration - drafted by a cross-party group of legislators - cites “unprecedented damage” from hurricanes, flooding and forest fires, exacerbated by climate change at home and abroad, and said the world faces a “climate crisis”.


    With erratic weather patterns from this year’s record hurricane season in the Atlantic to floods in Europe being linked to climate change, governments around the world face more calls to act even as the coronavirus pandemic rages, sapping resources.


    Ruling Liberal Democratic Party lawmaker Yoshihisa Furukawa, head of the secretariat of a non-partisan group of MPs behind the declaration, said the resolution was vital to show the world Japan was not lagging in the fight against global warming.

    “I think this can send the message to the world that Japan’s parliament and government are firmly resolved to tackle this aiming at a carbon-free society,” he told Reuters, speaking before the vote.


    The government is developing measures including investment funds and tax incentives to push through changes needed to reach the net zero emissions target, and Furukawa said the declaration would give impetus to those efforts given its non-partisan backing.


    Japan’s new target for carbon neutrality could open the way for its beleaguered nuclear industry to fire up again, nearly a decade after the Fukushima disaster shut down most reactors, although the public remains wary. Nuclear provided about 30% of Japan’s electricity before Fukushima, when the country had 54 operable reactors compared with just two operating now.


    Announcing the new emissions target, Prime Minister Suga said Japan would “pursue nuclear power” along with introducing as much renewable energy as possible, without specifying precise plans for reactors.

    Still, frustrated scientists and activists have regularly sounded warnings that action is still lagging to meet the Paris Agreement target of curbing emissions enough to keep temperature rises to within 1.5-2 degrees Celsius of pre-industrial levels.


    Japan lawmakers declare climate emergency after government sets zero emissions goal | Reuters

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    I think the best solution is in your fucking post you demented coffin dodger.

    Stop reliance on fossil fuels and for fucking sure stop subsiding big oil.

    If you think spending fortunes sucking CO2 out of the air is the answer, think about that when those fortunes are coming from the taxpayers, not the companies causing it.

    As opposed to loosing possibly more from a failed global economy by eliminating fossil fuels without a viable alternative. Get a clue Harry you are not always right . you simply amaze me I post a link to a feasible solution to taking carbon that would enter the atmosphere and turning it into a product that has value and you find some way to turn that into a negative. As for your stating the cost would be fortunes you know you cannot back that up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    As opposed to loosing possibly more from a failed global economy by eliminating fossil fuels without a viable alternative. Get a clue Harry you are not always right . you simply amaze me I post a link to a feasible solution to taking carbon that would enter the atmosphere and turning it into a product that has value and you find some way to turn that into a negative. As for your stating the cost would be fortunes you know you cannot back that up.

    Oh this is just too much fun.

    Michael Mann, a professor of atmospheric science at Penn State University, says we can’t forget what remains the most important solution to climate change.

    “Of all geoengineering schemes, direct air capture is probably the safest and most efficacious, but it is currently far more expensive than the much more obvious and simple solution: Stopping the burning of fossil fuels,” Mann says.

    We need to get off of fossil fuels as soon as we can, but we also need to invest in learning how we could get the CO2 that’s being pumped into the atmosphere as we speak and the CO2 that’s been there for a long time out of the atmosphere. If we can greatly reduce the cost of this technology and figure out what to do with all of the CO2 we capture, then we could get the climate back to a place where we’re not facing extreme heat, sea level rise, extreme weather events and more.
    Repeater for you:

    Posts a link to an article that says we should stop using fossil fuels as soon as we can.

    To bolster his argument that we shouldn't.


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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Oh this is just too much fun.



    Repeater for you:

    Posts a link to an article that says we should stop using fossil fuels as soon as we can.

    To bolster his argument that we shouldn't.

    Yes it is to much fun Harry pointing out that you didn’t read the article I posted or you would have seen there are already suggestions as to the use of the captured carbon and if the cost could be reasonable it would be great for stopping your climate change.

    Why would I be interested in posting a link saying we should be getting rid of fossil fuels as soon as we can that seems to be in your wheel house silly boy.

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