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    One billion people will live in insufferable heat within 50 years – study

    Human cost of climate crisis will hit harder and sooner than previously believed, research reveals

    One billion people will live in insufferable heat within 50 years – study | Environment | The Guardian

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    Did you begin this two year stint holding the same opinion and looking to 'work undercover'?

    If so, when does the expose you were researching come out?
    Like most people in renewables I was in it for the money. Only a daft muppet who knows little about the industry would think otherwise. Even the most brain washed evangelicals, cashing their fat pay cheques, know deep inside its a con.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrille View Post
    One billion people will live in insufferable heat within 50 years – study

    Human cost of climate crisis will hit harder and sooner than previously believed, research reveals

    One billion people will live in insufferable heat within 50 years – study | Environment | The Guardian
    Just for fun I read the paper. Did you?

    MethodsWe characterized the human climate niche using global gridded datasets for human population as well as a range of social and environmental variables. We used the current population data as well as reconstructed population data available from the History Database of the Global Environment (HYDE 3.1) (49). For early periods, these population data are hindcast from multiple sources. For mid-Holocene, we therefore complement the HYDE data with a reconstruction described in the SI Appendix and based on direct estimates from archaeology (50). Details on the sources and preprocessing of data on crop production, livestock distribution, gross domestic product, and past and present MAT and mean annual precipitation (MAP) are also presented in the SI Appendix. We plotted heat maps illustrating the past and current human climate niche by calculating the mean population density and other variables within each MAT and MAP combination bin and smoothing the result, excluding bins with sparse data points. We also present running means of relevant variables separately against MAT and MAP in the SI Appendix. Uncertainties were characterized as the fifth and 95th percentiles, using different population and climate datasets (SI Appendix).


    We modeled the realized human temperature niche based on double-Gaussian fitting of the running mean of the current population distribution against MAT (Fig. 2A, blue dashed curve). We then projected the modeled niche to the past (6 Ky BP) and future (2070) climate conditions (under different Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change RCPs) to illustrate the potential geographic shift of human temperature niche under near-future global warming. To test for the robustness against adding precipitation as an additional dimension of human climate niche, we also projected the smoothed human distribution in terms of MAT and MAP to the past and future climates for comparison.


    To quantify the projected shift of the human temperature niche, we calculated proportions of summed niche gain or loss. By multiplying the projected world’s total population (under different IPCC SSPs) by the proportion of displaced niche, we estimated the numbers that would potentially be displaced if the probability distribution over temperatures were to remain unchanged by 2070.


    A detailed description of our materials and methods may be found in the SI Appendix, where the reader may also find a broad set of additional results and sensitivity analyses, as well as a Dryad link to the data used and scripts for all computations.
    So its a model.

    Now, please show me just one computer model that has been proven to be 100% accurate. Especially one that comes from the "Uni of faked Climate SCam of East Anglia" like the modeller in this paper comes from.

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    He spent 2 years touting free solar installations until that market disappeared with the reduction of Govt unit subsidies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    I knew a lot of this already as I spent 2 years working in renewables. However what did amuse me was how deeply embedded the KOCH brothers are in this scam. They make a fortune out of solar and the disgusting biofuel scam.
    Two years in renewables and you don't know the Koch's made their money in petrochemicals, not solar and bio-fuel, or that David K died last year...

    Fcuked if I would invest with some nutter who dismisses anything that doesn't fit their narrative.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Two years in renewables and you don't know the Koch's made their money in petrochemicals, not solar and bio-fuel, or that David K died last year...

    Fcuked if I would invest with some nutter who dismisses anything that doesn't fit their narrative.

    OK then here we go. Hold onto your hat (aka you arse)

    SunGuard(R) Solar : heat resistant glass treatment, UV protection glass - Koch company

    https://www.kochcarbon.com/# Photovoltaic cells are not made "of sand" like you dimwits think. They are made from Silica, which is processed by petroleum coke, all supplied in massive quanitites by Koch Industries . Each solar farm and lovely twirly windmill used tonnes of cement, also supplied by ...wait for it... koch industries.
    Home | Koch-Glitsch build the facilities that makes the polysilicon used in pv cells
    Molex | Solar Industry All the parts of Solar are connected with specialist connectors from Koch firm MOlex

    Every single step of Solar, in the US at least, has Koch at the heart of it. YOu daft know nothing koch cock sucker.

    As for your other stupid girly "ohh i win" comment... see the below.



    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    "you suck Koch brother cock"
    Then your standard refrain of "ohh doesn't fit your narrative". Problem you have is that your narrative comes from the main stream media, and that come straight from big business like the Koch brothers. What you really mean is "I hate anything that challenges the main stream narrative that i love and trust".

    sap


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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    OK then here we go. Hold onto your hat (aka you arse)

    SunGuard(R) Solar : heat resistant glass treatment, UV protection glass - Koch company

    https://www.kochcarbon.com/# Photovoltaic cells are not made "of sand" like you dimwits think. They are made from Silica, which is processed by petroleum coke, all supplied in massive quanitites by Koch Industries . Each solar farm and lovely twirly windmill used tonnes of cement, also supplied by ...wait for it... koch industries.
    Home | Koch-Glitsch build the facilities that makes the polysilicon used in pv cells
    Molex | Solar Industry All the parts of Solar are connected with specialist connectors from Koch firm MOlex

    Every single step of Solar, in the US at least, has Koch at the heart of it. YOu daft know nothing koch cock sucker.

    As for your other stupid girly "ohh i win" comment... see the below.





    Then your standard refrain of "ohh doesn't fit your narrative". Problem you have is that your narrative comes from the main stream media, and that come straight from big business like the Koch brothers. What you really mean is "I hate anything that challenges the main stream narrative that i love and trust".

    sap
    Yeah nah.

    Your standard retort of trying to flood, non sequiturs, ad hom and disconnected pre-prepared ranting just isn't convincing.

    Still not buying!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Yeah nah.

    Your standard retort of trying to flood, non sequiturs, ad hom and disconnected pre-prepared ranting just isn't convincing.

    Still not buying!
    OK then here we go.

    SunGuard(R) Solar : heat resistant glass treatment, UV protection glass - Koch company

    https://www.kochcarbon.com/# Photovoltaic cells are not made "of sand" like you think. They are made from Silica, which is processed by petroleum coke, all supplied in massive quanitites by Koch Industries . Each solar farm and lovely twirly windmill used tonnes of cement, also supplied by ...wait for it... koch industries.
    Home | Koch-Glitsch build the facilities that makes the polysilicon used in pv cells
    Molex | Solar Industry All the parts of Solar are connected with specialist connectors from Koch firm MOlex

    make it bigger for you. You seem to be rather dim if you can not follow a simple thread of the supply chain going into this branch of renewables. Smeg must be right about you after all


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    Oh yes sure, repeating your dribble in a different font is definitely more convincing!

    Yes I see it now... heat resistant UV glass is definitely the same thing as "solar and bio-fuel" ...














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    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    Just watch Michael Moores new film
    This is from a review of the documentary posted elsewhere:

    Its focus is not just the devastating effects of climate change it also offers a critical view of the ways in which, per a press release, “the environmental movement has lost the battle through well-meaning but disastrous choices, including the belief that solar panels and windmills would save us, and by giving in to the corporate interests of Wall Street.”
    Hmm...that seems rather different from your summary of this documentary's content, sid...


    Quote Originally Posted by pseudolus View Post
    I knew a lot of this already as I spent 2 years working in renewables. Wake up call for you. Climate Scam was created by Big Oil to take down their biggest competitor. Coal.
    Some more opinions on the content of this documentary are below...one consistent theme with climate change deniers seems to be that if someone prompting alternative energy creation was wrong about something a decade ago then they are still wrong about it now. This seems unfair, since any reasonable person would concede that we are still coming to terms with the solutions to the problems. Problems which have been brewing for centuries, if not millennia.

    It's also crystal clear that Moore's film, unlike pseudolous, does not deny that climate change is a clear and present danger.

    Associate Prof Mark Diesendorf, an energy systems and sustainability expert at the University of New South Wales, tells Guardian Australia the film’s commentary on renewable energy is “out-of-date, superficial, simplistic, misleading and very biased”.


    It criticises renewable energy – particularly solar and wind – in part because you need varying amounts of materials, energy and metals to make them.


    For anyone who has thought for more than a minute about what it takes to build that solar panel or those wind turbines, it should be no revelation that some materials and energy are needed. There’s no such thing as a free lunch.


    But the film leaves the viewer thinking there is no net gain from renewable technologies and does not, for example, look at any cradle-to-grave analysis of the technologies it criticises.


    “The myth that life-cycle energy invested [and carbon emissions] in building renewable energy technologies is comparable with the lifetime energy generation is false,” says Diesendorf.
    Solar panels generate the energy required to build themselves in one to two years of operation, depending on the type of panel and location and their lifetime is about 20 years; large wind turbines in three to 12 months, depending on size of turbines and location, and their lifetime is 25 to 30 years.”


    In the film Gibbs says: “I learned that solar panels don’t last forever either.” You would think most people would know that.


    Early in the film, Gibbs walks with an environment group protesting a plan to put up 21 wind turbines at Lowell Mountain in Vermont, a row that played out in 2011 (another hint at the age of the film).


    An unnamed campaigner tells Gibbs the power grid needs to run idle when the wind drops and that this causes a “bigger footprint” than just running the grid off fossil fuels.


    Gibbs takes the speaker’s word but Diesendorf says this is an old myth disproved by real world examples of power grids running with high penetrations of renewable energy – with and without storage such as batteries and hydro power.

    The pace of change and development in the renewable energy industry is rapid so a film that wants to inform viewers should be as up-to-date as possible.


    But the film is riddled with footage, segments and issues that are a decade or so old.


    Gibbs attends the launch of the Chevy Volt, a car launched 10 years ago. He criticises it because it’s recharged from a power grid in Michigan dominated by coal.


    Taking a very old example of an electric car operating in one place should not be the basis for forming a judgment about the role of electric cars in 2020, yet the film does.


    Gibbs tours a “football field-sized” solar installation called the Cedar Street solar array in Lansing, Michigan. An energy boss says to camera that the panels have an efficiency of a “little less than 8%” and that the array could power only about 10 city homes a year.


    What the film doesn’t say is that the array was installed as a pilot project in 2008.
    One energy writer to have looked closely at many of the claims in the film is Australian Ketan Joshi who says looking at a solar array from 12 years ago is “an absolute eternity in solar development years”.


    Diesendorf says panels with an 8% efficiency “were on the market several decades ago” and now most commercial panels have an efficiency above 20%.


    What’s happened to the cost of solar panels since 2008? Analysts Wood Mackenzie say they fell about 90% between 2010 and 2019.

    Biomass
    The film spends time looking at biomass energy or, more specifically, one subset of biomass technology that is essentially burning trees and woodchips.


    Gibbs has been a long-time biomass critic (an old article of his includes a photograph taken while filming footage that appears in the film suggesting that a scene showing clear-felled trees is at least 10 years old).


    Burning trees for energy is very problematic but there are reasons why under some circumstances it is not as bad as burning fossil fuels from a greenhouse gas perspective.


    One reason is part of climate change 101. Burning fossil fuels liberates carbon atoms that were removed from the Earth’s active carbon cycle millions of years ago. Burning trees moves CO2 back into the biosphere that was sequestered only in recent decades.


    To an uninformed viewer, the film might look to be getting some purchase when it shows high-profile environmentalists – namely the author and activist Bill McKibben – supporting burning wood.


    McKibben founded his 350.org climate group at Middlebury College, and the film has footage of him at an opening of a biomass gasification plant there, saying technology like that should be everywhere.


    That footage was from 2009 and as McKibben has pointed out since the film was released, he very publicly denounced the idea of burning wood for energy in 2016. The film did not make this clear.


    McKibben says he heard about the plans for the documentary last year: “I wrote the producer and director to set the record straight, and never heard back from them. That seems like bad journalism, and bad faith.”


    Gibbs says he did not get McKibben’s communication and even if he had he would not have changed the film.


    That aside, Diesendorf says the film’s treatment of bioenergy is simplistic because while some methods, such as ethanol from corn, are environmentally damaging, ethanol from waste starch is not.


    He says the film creates a false impression that bioenergy as expected to have a large contribution to energy needs in the future. “The truth is that some see it playing a minor role while almost all the others reject it entirely. Hardly anyone sees it as playing an important role.”

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    So basically, Moore looks at alternative energy generation of more than a decade ago and tells us it's out of date.


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    • With Copernicus’s recent (April) update it looks as if 2020 has started off to be the second warmest year recorded.


    First three months (2020) NOAA.



    National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI) formerly known as National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) | NCEI offers access to the most significant archives of oceanic, atmospheric, geophysical and coastal data.


    • little news related to the opening post on this thread……..


    Mann elected to National Academy of Sciences

    Michael Mann, distinguished professor of atmospheric sciences and director of Penn State's Earth System Science Center at Penn State, has been elected to the National Academy of Sciences, recognizing distinguished and continuing achievements in original research. Membership in the NAS is one of the highest honors given to a scientist or engineer in the United States.

    NAS is a private, nonprofit institution established in 1863 by a congressional charter signed by former U.S. President Abraham Lincoln. It recognizes achievement in science by election to membership, and — with the National Academy of Engineering and the National Academy of Medicine — provides science, engineering, and health policy advice to the federal government and other organizations.

    This year, the academy elected 120 members and 26 international members to its membership. Mann's election brings Penn State's representation to 16 members, and total membership in the academy to 2,403 active members and 501 international members.

    Mann conducts research and publishes on his areas of interest in climate science, including climate change, sea level rise, human impact on climate change, climate modeling, and the carbon budget. He is an acknowledged leader in the climate change community. His work in the area of climate change science, especially the reconstruction of global temperatures over the past 1,000 years, has advanced the field.

    Current areas of research include model/data comparisons aimed at understanding the long-term behavior of the climate system and its relationship with human climate forcing. Other areas of active research include climate simulation using theoretical models, development of statistical methods for climate signal detection, and investigations of the geophysical and ecological system responses to climate variability and the impacts of climate change on tropical storms and extreme weather events.

    Mann has been recognized for his scientific work with the Tyler Prize for Environmental Achievement in 2019. He received the Hans Oeschger Medal from the European Geosciences Union in 2012 and contributed to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change reports that received the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize. He is the author of more than 200 peer-reviewed and edited publications.

    He is a fellow of the Geological Society of America, the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the American Meteorological Society and the American Geophysical Union.

    Mann has received many awards for science communication. In 2018, he received the Climate Communication Prize from the American Geophysical Union and the Award for Public Engagement with Science from the American Association for the Advancement of Science. In 2017, he received the Stephen H. Schneider Award for Outstanding Climate Science Communication from Climate One. Mann was elected an AAAS fellow in 2015.

    Mann communicates about the effects of climate change through a variety of media, including his books, which include "Dire Predictions: Understanding Climate Change," "The Hockey Stick and the Climate Wars: Dispatches from the Front Lines," and "The Madhouse Effect," for which he teamed up with Pulitzer Prize-winning political cartoonist Tom Toles to explore public perception of climate change.

    Mann also collaborated with author and illustrator Megan Herbert on a children's book titled "The Tantrum that Saved the World."

    He completed his doctorate at Yale University in 1998.: Mann elected to National Academy of Sciences | Penn State University


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    Climate Scientist investigated (again!), vindicated (again!)

    One of the world’s leading climate scientists, Michael Mann of Penn State, has been vindicated by the National Science Foundation. Almost no one noticed.

    Mann is the author of the famous “hockey stick” graph showing rising global temperatures. The graph, based on research conducted in 1999, was included in the 2001 report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate change (here). It is significant because it resulted from the first “multi-proxy” effort to reconstruct Northern Hemisphere temperature over the past thousand years. The “proxies” used included ice cores, tree rings, lake sediment cores, etc.

    His results provoked interest and followup by scientists, some of which was fairly exacting. Some claimed that the data was incomplete or the statistical methods were wrong. That’s to be expected; scientists examine one another’s work as a matter of routine.

    More significantly, the graph put Mann on a collision course with the emerging climate change denial industry (see also here, here, here and so on). A series of charges and accusations ensued.

    Starting in 2006 and continuing to the present, all the investigations have turned up the same results. The climate scientists, including Mann, have been vindicated each time.

    The accusations at issue in the current investigation arose from the “Climategate” scandal of late 2009; a trove of emails from climate scientists was put onto the web and attacked as proof that climate science is a fraud. As a result, Mann and numerous other scientists were investigated for scientific misconduct.

    The NSF’s recent report followed up an investigation of Mann by Penn State. The university investigated charges against Mann for:

    1. Falsifying research data
    2. Concealing, deleting or otherwise destroying emails, information or data
    3. Misusing privileged information
    4. Seriously deviating from accepted practices for proposing, conducting or reporting research and other scholarly activities.

    The university concluded there was no basis for the first three allegations. The NSF challenged the university to back up this conclusion by documenting its inquiry process, including how inquiry committee members were selected, what evidence they used, how they verified statements, etc. After investigating all the allegations de novo, the NSF decided the university had not adequately addressed the issue of falsification. In particular, it had not interviewed experts who were critical of Mann’s work. The NSF’s own investigation was not limited to the subject of falsification, but looked at the entire record for signs of research misconduct. It found that Mann had not concealed or falsified data, destroyed emails, misused privileged information or deviated from accepted practices. The NSF report is here.

    In other words, Mann got the fine-tooth-comb treatment. And he was cleared, not just partly, but completely. After a series of investigations this exhaustive, on a subject this important, one would expect some news about it.

    In fact, there has been only a trickle of interest. The climate-change blogosphere has noted it (DeSmogBlog, ClimateProgress, BadAstronomy). James Fallows noted it at the Atlantic, and Fox News managed a couple of dozen words. The other major media have relegated the issue to blog posts here and there.

    More remarkably, there has been a deafening, thunderous silence from the climate-denialist crowd (Globalwarming, which has bragged of reducing the “hockey stick” to “splinters” and “sawdust”, has ignored the report. Likewise Wattsup, Heartland, Air Vent, Climate Audit). I could only find a snarky little post at Climate Depot, which tries to minimize the NSF conclusion. It cites a post by antigreendescribing a “whitewash”. The author grumbles that the investigations by Penn State and by the NSF were “limited”.

    It doesn’t conclude there is “nothing wrong” with Mann’s conclusions, all it concludes is there is no basis to conclude he did anything improper (WITH NSF FUNDING).

    Would it be too much to ask of these people to say “gee, maybe we were wrong”. They claim to be interested in facts, in science, and some of them even have scientific degrees. They presumably understand what intellectual honesty is. As John Belushi used to say, “but NOOOOOO…” All we get is sour grapes, griping that Mann was only cleared of doing something improper with NSF funding. Well, perhaps that’s because that’s what Mann was charged with. I suppose they should have investigated whether Mann was bank robber or space alien. THEN they would have come up with something…

    More seriously, if Mann had been condemned, I imagine there would have been a lot more attention. According to the “heads I win, tails you lose” standards applied to climate science, it is simply not news when an accused scientists is upheld.

    Accusations: that’s news. Vindications: *yawn*. This skews the record and gives the deniers most of the headspace. So, in spite of all the facts, we can hear from presidential candidates that scientists have “manipulated” climate change data, and everyone just nods.

    Link: Climate Scientist investigated (again!), vindicated (again!) | MyFDL
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    It sounds like the devil in this case is not in the details.

    The point of the film seems to be that renewables are not going save mankind from consuming this planet to death.

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    Sorry to disappoint you and your feeble minded attempt at convincing us that Murdoch rags are interested in climate science, but....


    No.

    There Is No Impending 'Mini Ice Age'




    There Is No Impending 'Mini Ice Age' – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

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    You going to ban him for disagreeing Barry

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    The sun has entered a ‘lockdown’ period, which could cause freezing weather, famine
    In the meantime………..

    Gavin A. Schmidt is a climatologist, climate modeler and Director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies

    Gavin Schmidt - With today's update to GISTEMP, 2020 is now virtually certain to be a top 3 year (in timeseries back to 1880), the 6th year in a row more than 1ºC above the late 19th C, and a good chance of breaking the record (~70%).: https://twitter.com/ClimateOfGavin/s...04896560250883 - Data.GISS:
    GISS Surface Temperature Analysis (GISTEMP v4)





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    could

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    The sun has entered a ‘lockdown’ period, which could cause freezing weather, famine
    Meanwhile……..

    Zeke Hausfather - These record May temperature further increases the odds that 2020 will be the warmest year on record: https://twitter.com/hausfath/status/1268934667027140610


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    The planet has cooled, warmed, cooled, warmed, cooled, warmed for millennia and it will cool, warm, cool, warm, cool, warm for millennia to come.

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    Holy shit... You're really hitting all the Right Wing Troll tropes today aren't you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    Holy shit... You're really hitting all the Right Wing Troll tropes today aren't you!
    Im pissed, on the lao khao with no sleep yet, enjoying myself immensely darting around here, but will have no idea about it after i go to sleep and wake up

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    Fair enough, I admire the candor.

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    Fucking hell.

    Climate crisis: Temperature of 38C thought to be highest ever recorded in Arctic circle

    'The kind of weather we expect by 2100, 80 years early,' says meteorologist

    A temperature of 38C (100.4F) has been recorded in a Siberian town in what is thought to be a new record high for the Arctic circle.
    A weather station in Verkhoyansk logged the temperature on Saturday. If verified, it will overtake an Arctic record set more than a century at Fort Yukon, Alaska, where a temperature of 37.7C (100F) was documented in 1915.

    The previous record for the Russian weather station was 37.3C (99.1F), set in July 1988.

    The likely new record high comes amid deepening horror at the impact of the unfolding climate crisis, which has already seen a heatwave hit the Arctic unusually early in the year and “zombie fires”, which have lasted the winter, rekindling and causing enormous forest and peat blazes.


    Climate crisis: Temperature of 38C recorded in Arctic thought to be the highest in history | The Independent

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    It doesn't say which of the UVs it is unfortunately. The ones that kill Covid are not good for you.

    The highest ever UV levels could be reached in the UK later, on what is set to be the hottest day of the year so far for the second day in a row.

    The Met Office said temperatures in west London could reach 33C (91.4F), while parts of Wales could see the mercury rise to 34C (93.2F).

    However, the good
    weather is due to change on Thursday afternoon with thunderstorms forming across the west of the UK.

    People were urged to avoid being outside at around midday after forecasters predicted UV radiation could reach a "rare" level eight, or ”very high”.
    UK weather forecast: Highest ever UV levels to be seen today before thunderstorms bring heatwave to an end | London Evening Standard

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    Quote Originally Posted by deeks View Post
    The planet has cooled, warmed, cooled, warmed, cooled, warmed for millennia........
    But it’s human activity that is the cause now. We’ve been over this time and time again.: Evidence | Facts – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

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