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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    We can stop sea level rise by ..... building dams.
    Sure. Dutch did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norton View Post
    Sure. Dutch did.
    It doesn't stop the sea level rising.......

    It just stops their clogs filling with water.

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    Watching documentary about Luther. Catholics paid for "indulgences" so there sins would be reduced in severity.

    Can't help see the parallel to "carbon credits" so business' pollution effects are reduced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Well it wasn't over 90F otherwise it wouldn't be a record, would it you dumb shit.




    Wrangell is about 300km south.




    Do you understand what Climate CHANGE means?


    Oh, stupid question really.

    The pertinent question is do you understand what Climate CHANGE means?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Umm Let me guess. The climate is changing. Of course it is no longer referred to as global warming for this precise reason because some places are getting cooler. In other words Global warming is not uniform around the planet. Meteorology is a complex science and is the reason why it is so hard to model. In the 90s 400 ppm of CO2 was going to be a disaster but of course it wasn't. The scientists weren't totally wrong, there are just climate variables that were not taken into account but as meteorological understanding increases so will the forecasting accuracy.
    The rate of sea level rise is also nowhere as high as predicted. Possibly partly due to the many dams that have been built over that period which has mitigated some outflows to the sea causing a slower increase. A lot more may need to be built, however that will slow the problem at best not cure it and the cost to the local environment will be needed to be taken into account. This could be partially offset with hydro electricity installations taking the place of coal fired power stations where feasible.
    Um, yeah, no places are getting colder. Name one.
    The odd cold snap doesn't equate to 'getting coder'.

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    I'm lazy so I'll just name one. Las Vegas. This does not mean there is no av temperature increase world wide, it is just an anomaly caused by changing weather patterns. It is hypothesised that Britain may at some stage get cooler if Atlantic currents change, whilst other places will get hotter. I was trying to point out the complexities of meteorology. E.N. Lorenz who I think coined the phrase The Butterfly Effect, showed how simple changes in dynamic systems could become large changes elsewhere. Also know for his work on Chaos theory which is some of the basis of meteorological prediction. I was attempting to point out the unpredictability of weather forecasting in relation to predicting climate change. This may help those unfamiliar with Chaos theory.
    https://fractalfoundation.org/resour...-chaos-theory/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    I'm lazy so I'll just name one. Las Vegas. This does not mean there is no av temperature increase world wide, it is just an anomaly caused by changing weather patterns. It is hypothesised that Britain may at some stage get cooler if Atlantic currents change, whilst other places will get hotter. I was trying to point out the complexities of meteorology. E.N. Lorenz who I think coined the phrase The Butterfly Effect, showed how simple changes in dynamic systems could become large changes elsewhere. Also know for his work on Chaos theory which is some of the basis of meteorological prediction. I was attempting to point out the unpredictability of weather forecasting in relation to predicting climate change. This may help those unfamiliar with Chaos theory.
    https://fractalfoundation.org/resour...-chaos-theory/
    Weather forecasting and Climate Change modelling are two different things, except the latter helps with the former.

    Trying to chuck in chaos theory into preditable consequences to CO2 emissions and temperature increases is specious at best.

    And I'd love to know why you named Las Vegas:

    LAS VEGAS (KSNV) - Climate Central, an independent organization that conducts surveys and research on climate change, released a list of the fastest warming cities in the United States on April 17, just in time for Earth Day on Monday, April 22.

    The researchers at Climate Central studied data covering the time since the first Earth Day in 1970.


    While the report notes that temperatures have risen globally since the late 1800s, it says that most of the warming has occurred in the past 50 years and has not been evenly distributed across the planet or even within the U.S.

    When it comes to cities, the report says that the fastest-warming areas are in the southwest.


    Number one on the list is Las Vegas, which Climate Central says has warmed by 5.76 degrees since 1970.

    The top five is rounded out by El Paso, Texas, Tuscon, Arizona, Phoenix, Arizona and finally Burlington, Vermont, all with at least a 4.1-degree increase in temperature since 1970.


    These examples are not exceptions, according to the report.


    Since 1970, nearly 100 percent of the cities studied by Climate Central have seen temperatures increase.

    https://news3lv.com/news/local/report-las-vegas-climate-is-warming-faster-than-any-other-city-in-the-nation

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    The pertinent question is do you understand what Climate CHANGE means?

    Are you going to just repeat the last sentence like a typical ageing dementia patient?

    "Climate change, yes...."

    "Adult diapers, yes..."

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    And I believe America will be breaking some more records this weekend.

    After a month that featured blistering heat waves across Europe, relentless rising temperatures in India, and sweltering temperatures in Alaska that culminated in record heat at the beginning of July, June 2019 became the hottest June on record for the globe, according to a new report released by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).

    The agency announced on Thursday that the average global temperature in June 2019 was 1.71 degrees Fahrenheit (.95 degrees Celsius) above the 20th century average of 59.9 degrees F (15.5 degrees C). This June was the hottest in 140 years of recordkeeping dating back to 1880.
    https://www.accuweather.com/en/weath...eping/70008847
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    https://www.weathertab.com/en/g/2019...ada/las-vegas/

    The long range forecast which shows months of lower than average temperatures in the second half of 2019 and 2020 was used as an example that short term weather changes are unpredictable and the information should be used carefully.
    These endlessly boring hottest month ever posts are just pointless as one month tells nothing regarding climate change.
    While Arctic ice is disappearing Antarctic ice is growing which does not fit computer climate models. Scientists are still hypothesising why this is occurring and as yet there is no definitive answer. Again this does not disprove global warming but does show the rate of climate change could be a deal less than predictions which bears up if the last 40 years of predictions are taken into account. This does not mean the Global temperatures are not rising, only the predicted long term rise is less than scientific predictions and maybe for a while longer into the future. In any case the long term mitigation outlook is bleak. The major polluters, China India The U.S.A. and a few others like Germany and Japan, will do little to nothing until there are catastrophic weather events in their respective countries that threaten to destroy their economies.
    In short it would be far more constructive to talk about how to live with Climate change and what adaptations may be necessary, rather than endless repetitive global and sea temperature graphs and repetitive statements of "this is the dryest/wettest/hottest/ month year, as long term mitigation with our current technology will be limited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    While Arctic ice is disappearing Antarctic ice is growing which does not fit computer climate models.
    You keep posting shit that you appear to be making up or at best not checking.

    Do you want to debate the topic seriously or not?

    Global sea ice coverage has continued its overall downward trend since the results described earlier through 2015. The global results combine (1) continued decreases in Arctic sea ice coverage and (2) new decreases in Antarctic sea ice coverage. The new decreases in the Antarctic reverse what had been an overall upward trend in Antarctic sea ice, from 1979 through 2014, to such an extent that, on an annual average basis, the Antarctic sea ice coverage descended to its lowest value in the satellite record in 2017, before rebounding slightly in 2018. This, along with low values in Arctic sea ice coverage, led to the yearly average global sea ice coverage also reaching its lowest value in 2017, with a slight 2018 rebound.

    https://www.climate.gov/news-features/features/despite-antarctic-gains-global-sea-ice-shrinking
    As for the rest of your comments, you are right, governments will not react to it until it hits crisis point.

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    I post what I think are post to ponder due to my understanding of the subject that may be of some interest to others.
    I am at a loss to understand what it is with you and Bsnot. He trolls my post and criticise me for a statement he was too stupid to realise was from OhOh, that I actually disagreed with and now you that say I'm posting "shit" when your own link confirms my point.
    I don't see it as a debate but a discussion and I certainly wouldn't bother with a cut and paster whose whole knowledge of a subject revolves around googling for scientific statements and graphs and has absolutely no scientific understanding of the subject he is googling.
    If the scientists are 100% correct then anyone with a rudimentary understanding of thermodynamics and related fields, which is not you, would know that climate change will not be stopped in the foreseeable future.
    From my perspective the subject should be what are the actual changes so far, how detrimental are they and how to live with and mitigate the worst effects. Not who can cut and paste the most.
    In short I am not interested in debating with google reposters/cut and pasters, but people that may actually try to use an original thought out of their own head, which you clearly show that you are incapable of to date at least, but who knows you may surprise me with an original thought.
    Once you pulled that know - it - all - about - every - subject - on - TD head out of your arse, please just put me on ignore. It will save me the serious aggravation of explaining your own posts to you.
    BTW The graph from your link that just illustrates a point I was trying to make regarding the increase in Antarctic ice that was apparently "shit".

    Any doubts about Climate Change?-opera-snapshot_2019-07-23_110116_www-climate-gov
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Any doubts about Climate Change?-opera-snapshot_2019-07-23_110116_www-climate-gov  
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    He trolls my post and criticise me for a statement he was too stupid to realise was from OhOh
    Like I said the post was not in a quote box you just cut and pasted his comments with no context whatsoever. Of course someone is going to come along and assume that they are your words when you are too much of an idiot to use the tools that are provided by the forum. There is a huge irony in you calling me stupid when you are the one who can not eve use the forum properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    I actually disagreed with and now you that say I'm posting "shit" when your own link confirms my point.
    Are you retarded or something? It doesn't confirm your point at all. It simply confirms that, while Antarctic ice *used* to grow steadily, it's now in a period of overall decline.

    What is important is that GLOBAL sea ice is in consistent decline.

    Continuing the article - because it seems you never got past the graph you don't understand - it says:

    Examining 35 years of sea ice data, Parkinson has shown that increases around Antarctica do not make up for the accelerated Arctic sea ice loss of the last decades. Earth has been shedding sea ice at an average annual rate of 35,000 square kilometers (13,500 square miles) since 1979—the equivalent of losing an area of sea ice larger than the state of Maryland every year.


    “Even though Antarctic sea ice reached a new record maximum in September 2014, global sea ice is still decreasing,” said Parkinson, who is based at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center. “That’s because the decreases in Arctic sea ice far exceed the increases in Antarctic sea ice.”
    It's not unexpected and has been long anticipated that major air and sea currents are moving, and that almost certainly explains why there was a shift.

    That they don't know the specifics of the effects of this, they don't need to in order to identify the root cause: Climate change.

    So basically you posted a bit of isolated information that is out of date and then tried to use it to claim scientists don't know what they're talking about.

    This is exactly the sort of pseudoscientific bullshit that climate change deniers use to try and convince stupid people that we shouldn't worry about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    https://www.weathertab.com/en/g/2019...ada/las-vegas/

    The long range forecast which shows months of lower than average temperatures in the second half of 2019 and 2020 was used as an example that short term weather changes are unpredictable and the information should be used carefully.
    These endlessly boring hottest month ever posts are just pointless as one month tells nothing regarding climate change. .
    You may find it boring, but it's evidence - exactly as scientists have predicted for a long time - that weather extremes are going to become more and more common because of Climate Change.

    You suffer from a condition called "Confirmation Bias", whereby you selectively choose random pieces of data that fit your "opinion" - when you should be examining them in the context of other data and the subsequent information that comes from them.

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    Studies showing 20th-century warming 'unmatched' in 2,000 years put deniers' case to rest

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    PARIS - World temperatures rose faster in the late 20th century than at any other time in the last 2,000 years, according to research that experts said undermines climate deniers’ questioning of humankind’s role in global warming.

    As Europe sweltered in a second record-breaking heat wave in a month, the three peer-reviewed papers offered the most detailed overview of regional temperature trends dating back two millennia.


    Climate variability — the fluctuation of surface temperatures over time — has long been the subject of debate.


    While average global temperatures are currently around 1 degree Celsius (1.8 Fahrenheit) hotter than pre-industrial times, there have been a number of periods of cooling and warming over the centuries.


    This had led skeptics of man-made global warming to suggest that human activity is not the main driver of climate change.


    Researchers used data compiled from nearly 700 temperature indicators — tree rings, sediment cores, coral reefs and modern thermometer readings — to provide a comprehensive timeline of our planet’s recent climate history.


    The findings are clear: At no point in modern human history did temperatures rise so quickly and so consistently as in the late 20th century — the period when the world’s postwar, fossil fuel-powered economy reached unprecedented heights of production and consumption.


    The first paper, published Wednesday in the journal Nature, examined regional temperature trends over time.


    Scientists have long known of periods of unusual climate activity, such as the Little Ice Age, a centuries-long epoch when northern Europe experienced colder winters on average than at the start of the 20th century.


    The study found that temperatures in the Little Ice Age and other anomalous periods did not rise or fall in global lock-step as had long been assumed, and varied regionally for much of the last 2,000 years.


    “When we go back in the past these are really regional phenomena, but they are not global,” said Nathan Steiger, from Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory.


    This is in marked contrast to current warming trends.


    “Whereas in the contemporary warm period it really is global — 98 percent of the globe has this coherent warming after the industrial revolution — and that very much stands out in contrast to the climate variability that’s happened before in the past 2,000 years.”


    A second paper, in Nature Geoscience, examined rates of surface warming, averaged over subperiods each a few decades long.


    The researchers found that pre-industrial temperature fluctuations were largely driven by volcanic activity. But they also concluded that humans had never witnessed such rapid global warming as in the latter part of the 20th century.


    Author Raphael Neukom from the University of Bern, Switzerland, said the finding “highlights the extraordinary character of current climate change.”


    A third study found that global temperatures leading up to the industrial period were cooled by a series of volcanic eruptions, which led to droughts in Africa and weak monsoons.


    Commenting on the studies, Mark Maslin, professor of climatology at University College London, said their results “should finally stop climate change deniers claiming that the recent observed coherent global warming is part of a natural climate cycle.”


    “This paper shows the truly stark difference between regional and localized changes in climate of the past and the truly global effect of anthropogenic (man-made) greenhouse emissions.”


    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/07/25/world/science-health-world/studies-showing-20th-century-warming-unmatched-2000-years-put-deniers-case-rest/#.XTquJegzZEY

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    I hope this isn't the top of a slippery slope.

    Europe’s latest summer heatwave broke heat records just weeks after the continent recorded its hottest ever June, fueling concern that a shifting climate is making extreme weather events more frequent.
    Germany saw its all-time heat record broken on Wednesday, with a new high expected later Thursday, according to the DWD federal weather service. Residents in Paris, London and Brussels fought to stay cool as temperatures soared 10 degrees Celsius (18 degrees Fahrenheit) above July averages, making those cities hotter than Singapore and Cairo. Forecasters said the U.K. could get its warmest day on record Thursday.
    The heat is drying up some of Europe’s busiest rivers, making stretches of the Danube impassable to cargo and cruise ships and prompting at least eight nuclear reactors in France to scale back output. In London, engineers on the Underground railway network warned passengers to expect delays if tracks buckle.
    “The likelihood of two record-braking heatwaves have almost certainly gone up due to climate change,” said James Screen, climatologist at the University of Exeter in southern England. “More hot extremes is one of its simplest and well-understood effects.”
    Temperature records may shatter in the U.K., as southeast England is forecast to reach 39 degrees Celsius (102 Fahrenheit) on Thursday, according to the Met Office. France is also getting sweltering weather, with Paris seen peaking at 42 degrees Celsius (nearly 108 degrees Fahrenheit), Meteo France says. Cooler weather is due from Friday.
    On Wednesday, temperatures in the Netherlands reached a new all-time high of 39.1 degrees at a military airbase just north of the Belgian border, breaking a record that stood for 75 years, according to the country’s meteorological office. Belgium posted a new highest temperature of 39.9 degrees for the first time ever, according to the country’s meteorological institute.
    In Germany, officials at the DWD federal weather service issued heatwave and wildfire warnings after all-time highs on Wednesday. The temperature soared to 40.5 degrees in Geilenkirchen near the Belgian border.
    “It’s highly likely the all time record will fall again on Thursday,” said Andreas Friedrich, noting that weather stations dotted across the country were reporting potentially record-breaking heat conditions.
    Consecutive heatwaves are fueling political and scientific debate in Europe.

    https://time.com/5634966/europe-heat-wave-paris-cairo/

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    Looks like I stimulated something, although unlikely to be anything positive or practical. Fortunately I have decided to put posters with no actual knowledge of the subject and with no positive, practical solutions to offer on this subject on ignore, which of course means you and snoty, the cellar dweller. Enjoy each others company. God knows no-one else does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Looks like I stimulated something, although unlikely to be anything positive or practical. Fortunately I have decided to put posters with no actual knowledge of the subject and with no positive, practical solutions to offer on this subject on ignore
    Oh god so this means you are going to push your unfounded religious based science denial.



    Let us remind the world who you are. You are a glorified A/C salesmen who thinks he is a scientist AKA you do not know shit.



    You also do not know how to spell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh Cow View Post
    Looks like I stimulated something, although unlikely to be anything positive or practical. Fortunately I have decided to put posters with no actual knowledge of the subject and with no positive, practical solutions to offer on this subject on ignore, which of course means you and snoty, the cellar dweller. Enjoy each others company. God knows no-one else does.
    Good, fuck off then, and take your stupid Fox News-standard bullshit with you.

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    Just airing a documentary on TV5 (with E subtitles):

    2 degrees, the bottom of the climate war

    A look behind the scenes of the climate war that rages like never before since the election of Donald Trump at the White House. Posted objective: to destroy or apply the Paris climate agreement signed in 2015. With the testimonies of Laurent Fabius and the main actors of this negotiation.

    Director: Jean-Michel Carré (France, 2018)

    2 degrés, les dessous de la guerre climatique

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    Human body ‘close to thermal limits’ due to extreme heatwaves caused by climate change, scientist says

    Extreme global temperatures are pushing the human body “close to thermal limits”, according to a climate scientist.

    Record-breaking heat has swept through Europe this week with temperatures topping 40C in a number of countries.

    However, in places such as South Asia and the Persian Gulf, people are already enduring temperatures reaching up to 54C.

    Despite all the body's thermal efficiencies, these areas could soon be uninhabitable, according to Loughborough University climate scientist Dr Tom Matthews in The Conversation.

    When air temperature exceeds 35C, the body relies on sweating to keep core temperatures at a safe level. However, when the “wet bulb” temperature – which reflects the ability of moisture to evaporate – reaches 35C, this system no longer works.

    “The wet bulb temperature includes the cooling effect of water evaporating from the thermometer, and so is normally much lower than the normal (“dry bulb”) temperature reported in weather forecasts,” Dr Matthews wrote.

    “Once this wet bulb temperature threshold is crossed, the air is so full of water vapour that sweat no longer evaporates,” he said.

    This means the human body cannot cool itself enough to survive more than a few hours.

    “Without the means to dissipate heat, our core temperature rises, irrespective of how much water we drink, how much shade we seek, or how much rest we take,” he explained.

    Some areas – which are among the most densely populated on Earth – could pass this threshold by the end of the century, according to Dr Matthews.

    There is already evidence wet bulb temperatures are occurring in Southwest Asia.

    With climate change starting to profoundly alter weather systems, rising temperatures could soon make parts of the world uninhabitable.

    If electricity can be maintained, living in chronically heat-stressed conditions may be possible but a power outage could be catastrophic.

    In a recent paper published in , Dr Matthews and his team looked at the probability of a “grey swan” event in the case of extreme heat coinciding with massive blackouts.

    Mega blackouts sometimes follow powerful tropical cyclones. Researchers found that dangerously hot temperatures during a period with no electricity could have catastrophic consequences.

    “We looked at tropical cyclones, which have already caused the biggest blackouts on Earth, with the months-long power failure in Puerto Rico after Hurricane Maria among the most serious,” Dr Matthews wrote.

    “We found that as the climate warms, it becomes ever more likely that these powerful cyclones would be followed by dangerous heat, and that such compound hazards would be expected every year if global warming reaches 4C.

    “During the emergency response to a tropical cyclone, keeping people cool would have to be as much a priority as providing clean drinking water.”

    Heat-stressed countries are likely to see the largest absolute increases in humid-heat and they are often the least well-prepared to deal with the hazard. This could drive mass migration, which would make heat a worldwide issue – even for countries that are not experiencing scorching temperatures.

    Dr Matthews wrote: “The challenges ahead are stark. Adaptation has its limits. We must therefore maintain our global perspective on heat and pursue a global response, slashing greenhouse gas emissions to keep to the Paris warming limits.

    “In this way, we have the greatest chance of averting deadly heat – home and abroad.”

    https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/exteme-global-temperatures-heatwave-human-body-limits-a9023421.html

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    July at least equalled -- and potentially surpassed -- the hottest month ever recorded. Based on data from the first 29 days of the month, the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) says July 2019 was around 1.2°C warmer than the pre-industrial era.

    The hottest-month-ever title was previously held by July 2016. That month sizzled largely because it had one of the strongest occurences of the El Niño phenomenon, which raises global temperatures. 2019 didn't have a strong El Niño, so it can't use the same excuse. The month was plagued by heat waves, which are to be expected as global temperatures rise. We saw dramatic ice melt in Greenland, in the Arctic and on European glaciers. Plus, "unprecedented" wildfires raged in the Arctic.

    https://cleantechnica.com/2019/08/02/july-2019-was-hottest-month-ever-in-human-history-so-what/

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    1947: An Anti-Hysterical Perspective On Modern European Heatwaves


    https://cliscep.com/2019/07/29/1947-...heatwaves/amp/

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