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Originally Posted by longway
Patents specifically and IP law generally.Quote:
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Just two more things to add to the list of things that longway talks about but doesn't actually understand.
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Originally Posted by longway
Patents specifically and IP law generally.Quote:
Originally Posted by longway
Just two more things to add to the list of things that longway talks about but doesn't actually understand.
Over population and thus pollution is the problem, not Co2.
We need to stop the lower races breeding,
If that is your rather quaint way of saying that we should help educate women in third world countries and religious backwaters, then rest assured, it is already happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue
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Originally Posted by chassamui
Really! Perhaps someone should let the folks in Africa know about it.
https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...-the-challenge
It's a pity you can't just bury your head in the sand, because it's stuck up your arse.
Chuckie lil precious dahlink dont you yet realize the speakers is not a place for your obssessive stalking, troĺling or personal insults.Quote:
Originally Posted by chassamui
If you cannot make a cogent reply to the linked article then STFU!
:deadhorsebig:
You are a fine one to be talking about abusive and irrelevant commentary anywhere on the board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Earl
Replying to your disingenuous comments when you fail (again) to read and understand the previous comments on the thread is stalking is it?
No surprise to me that you still haven't learned your lesson.
^ Chuckie I posted a a cogent response linked to an intelligent article.
You have failed to respond with anything other than you standard line of banal personal insult.
Yes chuckie you can go straight to the head of the class, alongside our dear anty, bravo!
You fail again by ignoring the fact that you are a one dimensional poster with a penchant for stamping your feet in spectacular fashion when thing don't go your way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Earl
Carry on. The entertainment value of your irony is quite amusing.
^ Tell us exactly Chuckie, just what does your off topic ranting have to do with climate change?
Inquiring minds wanna know. :rofl:
Opps my mistake, clearly you are simply a windbag blowing hot air!
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From the science denier Roy Spencer.
The Version 6.0 global average lower tropospheric temperature (LT) anomaly for June, 2017 was +0.21 deg. C, down from the May, 2017 value of +0.44 deg. C.
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Major correction to satellite data shows 140% faster warming since 1998 RSS (lower troposphere) – June 2017 not included
What the correction shows:
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HadCRUT4 (late report) – May 2017, third warmest May recorded
Also from the Met Office
“For 2017 we are forecasting a rise of around 2.5 ppm, smaller than the 3.4 ppm rise between 2015 and 2016, but this is still a higher figure than the average over the last decade.”
Leveling is not good enough,…..
Scientists are concerned about the cause of the rapid rises because, in one of the most hopeful signs since the global climate crisis became widely understood in the 1980s, the amount of carbon dioxide that people are pumping into the air seems to have stabilized in recent years, at least judging from the data that countries compile on their own emissions.
Dr. Tans said that if global emissions flattened out at today’s high level, the world would still be in grave trouble.
“If emissions were to stay flat for the next two decades, which could be called an achievement in some sense, it’s terrible for the climate problem,” he said.
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Sea level rise is accelerating
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Climate Change Could Threaten Up To 2 Billion Refugees By 2100
But his focus began to shift in 2005, after observing how storm surges tainted farmland in Bangladesh with salt water. Later that year, Hurricane Katrina struck New Orleans, submerging communities once believed to be safe behind levees and dikes. As floodwaters inundated Vietnam’s Mekong Delta last year, Geisler’s new worldview came into sharp relief.
The rising sea, he surmised, is the one displacement force more powerful than greed.
Geisler began collating climate and demographic research, and came to a dire conclusion: By the year 2100, rising sea levels could force up to 2 billion people inland, creating a refugee crisis among one-fifth of the world’s population.
Worse yet, there won’t be many places for those migrants to go.
His findings appear in the July issue of the journal Land Use Policy.
“Bottom line: Far more people are going to be living on far less land, and land that is not as fertile and habitable and sustainable as the low-elevation coastal zone,” he added. "And it’s coming at us faster than we thought.”
Hopes of mild climate change dashed by new research
Hopes that the world’s huge carbon emissions might not drive temperatures up to dangerous levels have been dashed by new research.
The work shows that temperature rises measured over recent decades do not fully reflect the global warming already in the pipeline and that the ultimate heating of the planet could be even worse than feared.
How much global temperatures rise for a certain level of carbon emissions is called climate sensitivity and is seen as the single most important measure of climate change. Computer models have long indicated a high level of sensitivity, up to 4.5C for a doubling of CO2 in the atmosphere.
However in recent years estimates of climate sensitivity based on historical temperature records from the past century or so have suggested the response might be no more than 3C. This would mean the planet could be kept safe with lower cuts in emissions, which are easier to achieve.
But the new work, using both models and paleoclimate data from warming periods in the Earth’s past, shows that the historical temperature measurements do not reveal the slow heating of the planet’s oceans that takes place for decades or centuries after CO2 has been added to the atmosphere.
“The hope was that climate sensitivity was lower and the Earth is not going to warm as much,” said Cristian Proistosescu, at Harvard University in the US, who led the new research. “There was this wave of optimism.”
The new research, published in the journal Science Advances, has ended that. “The worrisome part is that all the models show there is an amplification of the amount of warming in the future,” he said. The situation might be even worse, as Proistosescu’s work shows climate sensitivity could be as high as 6C.
Prof Bill Collins, at the University of Reading, UK, and not part of the new research, said: “Some have suggested that we might be lucky and avoid dangerous climate change without taking determined action if the climate is not very sensitive to CO2 emissions. This work provides new evidence that that chance is remote.” He said greater long term warming had implications for melting of the world’s ice sheets and the rise of sea levels that already threatens many coastal cities.
The reason the historical temperature measurements indicated a lower climate sensitivity than models or paleoclimate data is because the Earth has a fast and a slow response to increases in carbon emissions, Proistosescu said.
Land, mostly in the northern hemisphere heats up quickly. But there is also a slow response, he said: “This is mostly associated with warming over the oceans. They are big and full of cold water, especially at depth, and take a long time to heat up.” Furthermore, when the slow warming does kick in, it is likely to reduce the cloud cover that shades the Southern ocean and the eastern tropical Pacific, amplifying the heating.
The new research shows the 4.5C upper limit for climate sensitivity is real and means projections for global temperature rises cannot be reduced. The global temperature is likely to be 2.6C to 4.8C higher by the end of the century if emissions are not cut, according to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, or 0.3C to 1.7C if sharp emissions cuts begin in the next few years.
The world may already be seeing the increasing rises in temperature, said Prof Piers Forster at the University of Leeds, UK: “It may already be happening – the rapid increase in temperatures since 2014 could be partly due to the eastern Pacific catching up.”
Reconciling all the estimates of climate sensitivity has also shown that climate models are not flawed. “Historical observations give us a lot of insight into how climate changes and are an important test of our climate models,” said Prof Peter Huybers, a colleague of Proistosescu’s at Harvard University. “But there is no perfect analogue for the changes that are coming.”
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...y-new-research
What worries me is methane being released from the Tundra. It is a more potent greenhouse gas than CO2.
We could be reaching a tipping point very soon....
We are already nudging 50 here in the sandpit, that is August temperatures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Latindancer
And as I posted earlier, Kuwait recently posted what is considered the highest temperature ever recorded.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee (or chai).
I won't post the whole thing here, but pour yourself a coffee and have a read.
Avoid if you have a weak constitution.
When Will Climate Change Make the Earth Too Hot For Humans?
or a strong bullshit detector..Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Anyone using that loaded phrase to describe man made climate change is a charlatan.Quote:
Climate-change skeptics point out
Still he did not used the more modern 'climate science denier' ..
So who is the author ?
David Wallace-Wells
looks like he has no science qualifications-
David Wallace-Wells is a Literary Editor at New York Magazine and formerly a senior editor for The Paris Review.
Anyway lets read on
blah blah blah
then this howler
Mass Chronic kidney disease from dehydration?Quote:
It is not just the hajj, and it is not just Mecca; heat is already killing us. In the sugarcane region of El Salvador, as much as one-fifth of the population has chronic kidney disease, including over a quarter of the men, the presumed result of dehydration from working the fields they were able to comfortably harvest as recently as two decades ago.
hahahah like they don't know to drink water...
more like:
Pesticide exposures and chronic kidney disease
https://ehjournal.biomedcentral.com/...940-017-0254-0
^Thanks Harry, interesting article.
Indeed it was and spot on as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by chassamui
the latest crock of shit from project fear:
Antarctic iceberg quarter the size of Wales splits from ice shelf
comparing it to the size of other things- retard languageQuote:
One of the world’s biggest ever icebergs – about the quarter the size of Wales or four times the size of London – has broken off from Antarctica, new satellite images have confirmed.
oh, so it might not have broken off after all , and will refreeze back together soon..Quote:
However the berg has not yet floated away from its position, which could be because it's grounded on underwater hills or because of sea currents and winds.
well that lake is dirty, great we have the same amount of pure water getting ready to melt into the system.Quote:
The iceberg, which is likely to be named A68, weighs more than a trillion tonnes. Its volume is twice that of Lake Erie, one of the Great Lakes."
And the world did not end ? and the new one is not even that big.Quote:
While the iceberg is huge, it is about half the size of the largest one ever recorded, which was 11,000 square kilometres. It broke off the Ross Ice Shelf in 2000 and passed by New Zealand about six years later.
Antarctic iceberg quarter the size of Wales splits from ice shelf | The Independent
Copernicus - Surface air temperatures for June 2017
June 2017 extended the spell of exceptional global warmth that has now lasted since mid-2015, but was closer to normal than any month since July 2015. It was:
• 0.38OC warmer than the average June from 1981-2010
• the second warmest June on record, though only marginally warmer than June 2015
• 0.06OC cooler than June 2016.
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JMA – June 2017
The monthly anomaly of the global average surface temperature in June 2017 (i.e. the average of the near-surface air temperature over land and the SST) was +0.36°C above the 1981-2010 average (+0.71°C above the 20th century average), and was the 3rd warmest since 1891. On a longer time scale, global average surface temperatures have risen at a rate of about 0.70°C per century.
Five Warmest Years (Anomalies)
1st. 2016, 2015 (+0.41°C), 3rd. 2017 (+0.36°C), 4th. 2014 (+0.33°C), 5th. 2010, 1998 (+0.26°C)
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NASA – June 2017
June 2017 was the fourth warmest June in 137 years of modern record-keeping, according to a monthly analysis of global temperatures by scientists at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York.
Year to date
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NOAA – June 2017, third warmest June recorded
Still on track for the second warmest year recorded
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2017 Predictions,……
Gavin Schmidt
2017 record - 64% chance of second place
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Greenhouse Gases Are Rapidly Changing the Atmosphere
On Tuesday, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration released its annual index of 20 key greenhouse gases. It shows that their direct influence on the climate has risen 140 percent since 1750, with 40 percent of that rise coming in just the past 26 years. That increase is almost entirely due to human activities and has caused the planet to warm 1.8°F (1°C) above pre-industrial temperatures.
The index takes greenhouse gas measurements from about 80 ships and observatories around the world — gathered in all their parts per million and parts per billion glory — and boils them down into a simple numerical index. This year’s number: 1.4.
It’s a simple number that contains multitudes. For example, carbon dioxide is responsible for 54 percent of the overall increase in climate warming seen since 1990. The four other major greenhouse gases in the index, which include nitrous oxide, methane and two types of chlorofluorocarbons, are responsible for 42 percent of the increase with 15 minor greenhouse gases accounting for the missing 4 percent.
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A Region at Risk – The human dimensions of climate change in Asia and the pacific
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State of the Ocean
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Larsen C Ice Sheet Breaks Off
But that was in the "artic" innit?
Supercomputer predicts 10 years of record rain in England
By ABIGAIL BEALL
The supercomputer simulated hundreds of winters based on the current climate to predict what the weather could look like for years to come.
And the results are not looking sunny. Some of the predicted winters were more extreme than any we've seen, and analysis of these simulated events showed the risk of record monthly rainfall in winter was seven per cent for south east England.
This chance increased to 34 per cent when other regions were included.
"We shouldn't be surprised if events like this occur," says Nick Dunstone, second author of the report. "Some people think this is a crazy, new risk. It's not. If we'd had these simulations before the floods of January 2014 we could have expected them. Models like this aren't perfect, but they give better estimations than observations alone, which are now largely outdated due to the changing climate."
Jim Dale, senior risk meteorologist at British Weather Services, says a prediction is only as good as its outcome, but that doesn't mean it should be taken lightly.
"The crux of this prediction is that the more heat that is in the atmosphere, the more vigorous the storms get as they hold and release more water, making a much wetter climate not just during winter," he says.
"Climate change predictions should be treated with caution rather than disregard or seen as a scare-tactics - we are already seeing the effects of melting icebergs," Dale continues. "It's a crystal ball exercise, but preparation is key. We will see if the government reacts."
The supercomputer, which was fully installed at the beginning of this year following a £97m government grant, is the largest supercomputer dedicated to weather and climate science in the world.
The research was conducted for the National Flood Resilience Review, which asked the Met Office to look into the likelihood of extreme rainfall for the next ten years.
This new research has been named the UNSEEN (UNprecedented Simulated Extremes using ENsembles) method because it predicts future events.
As extreme flooding is relatively rare, simulations can provide data on 1,750 years of winters, whereas real observations can only do so for 35.
If it's developed further, this prediction method could be used to assess the risk of heatwaves, droughts, and cold spells and could help the government, contingency planners and insurers prepare for future events.
Met Office supercomputer predicts 10 years of record rain in England | WIRED UK
From climate denier Roy Spencer – July 2017 (Lower Troposphere)
The Version 6.0 global average lower tropospheric temperature (LT) anomaly for July, 2017 was +0.28 deg. C, up a little from the June, 2017 value of +0.21 deg. C
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RSS Satellite – Lower Troposphere (July 2017 not plotted)
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Belated Met Office/HadCRUT 4.5.0.0 - 3rd warmest June recorded (only 2016 & 2015 with warmer Junes)
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On July 12 2017, data from the Sentinel-1 satellite confirmed the calving from the Larsen C Ice Shelf of Iceberg A68, a slab of ice 5,800 km in area and weighing more than 1 trillion tonnes. New Sentinel-1 interferometry data from July 18 now shows how the remaining ice shelf is responding to the calving event.
Rifts (dark curving lines in the image), already present before A68 detached, are still in evidence and show where further small icebergs will probably be created. In a further development, a new rift appears to be extending northwards (towards the top left) and may result in further ice shelf area loss.
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It’s Not Your Imagination. Summers Are Getting Hotter.
Extraordinarily hot summers — the kind that were virtually unheard-of in the 1950s — have become commonplace.
This year’s scorching summer events, like heat waves rolling through southern Europe and temperatures nearing 130 degrees Fahrenheit in Pakistan, are part of this broader trend.
The chart above, based on data from James Hansen, a retired NASA climate scientist and professor at Columbia University, shows how summer temperatures have shifted toward more extreme heat over the past several decades.
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4th National Climate Assessment: by scientists from 13 federal agencies
The United States faces a choice between manageable warming and unmanageable catastrophe, according to a leaked draft report by scientists from 13 federal agencies.
The report’s “higher emissions” scenario projects a devastating 8°F to 10°F warming over the interior of this country–and, unimaginably, upwards of 18°F over in the Arctic!–by 2071 to 2100. In that case, global sea levels could rise as much as 8 feet, inundating every major coastal city in this country and around the world.
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2017 is so far the second-hottest year on record thanks to global warming
With the first six months of 2017 in the books, average global surface temperatures so far this year are 0.94°C above the 1950–1980 average, according to NASA. That makes 2017 the second-hottest first six calendar months on record, behind only 2016.
That’s remarkable because 2017 hasn’t had the warming influence of an El Niño event.
For a long time one of the favorite climate denier myths involved claiming that we hadn’t seen any global surface warming since 1998. That myth has fallen by the wayside since 2014, 2015, and 2016 each broke the global surface temperature records previously set in 2010 and 2005 (which were also both hotter than 1998). Yet the myth persisted for years because 1998 was anomalously hot due to the monster El Niño event that year, which meant that global temperatures weren’t much hotter than 1998 until 2014 to today.
Now the first six months of 2017 have been 0.3°C hotter than 1998, despite the former having no El Niño warming influence and the latter being amplified by a monster El Niño.