Non fossil origin of oil is one of those more exotic theories of soviet time russian geologists. It won't die easily. It was fuelled by the desire to show off independent thinking from western main stream.
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Non fossil origin of oil is one of those more exotic theories of soviet time russian geologists. It won't die easily. It was fuelled by the desire to show off independent thinking from western main stream.
Well maybe that is so, however no one seems to come up with the answer to what exactly was fossilized 6-7 miles under the surface of the earth.
That Oil is Fossil is actually a conspiracy theory in itself. 1892 geneva convention on determining what organic substances are; sort of like a strict definition. The definition is something made of, or mostly made of hydrogen, oxygen and carbon which is usually indicative of something that is, or was at least, living. Now the OIligarchy (you know, the kind benevolent people behind Climate Scam that you all believe in) said that oil contains these, so therefore it must be made from rotting and spoiling matter, which with a bit of pressure in the places, oil was duly termed as the residue of organic matter. Why did they want this? Scarcity = increased prices and the ability to manipulate the price at their whim. Anyway, this made it classed as a fossil fuel.
Now - point to keep in mind, there has never been a a fossilized ANYTHING found beneath 16,000 ft. We drill for oil at 30-35,000 feet. So what happens then? Is all this rotting juice trickling down 15,000 and pooling up there? Why would it? Also, a lot of deep wells are extremely high heat and high pressure, which you would think would not exactly allow oil to trickle down, but be pushed up, and lastly, high pressure... enclosed... how did it get in?
So before you all say "tin foil" just try and explain what living matter is 30,000 ft+ that died and rotted?
Yes he is. Harryseacucumber is a waster.
You should stay away from that tool Snubbles - you at least are capable of debating a topic, where as harryseacucumber is just a trollbot spotting out the same shit every post all over the forum. Never debates, never addresses a post, just a cock.Quote:
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You're far better than him, so why do you associate with that fool and get labelled in the same brain dead waster bucket that he is in?
The deepest oil wells are around 8,000 < 9,500 ft deep. (2 miles = 5,280 x 2 = 10,560 feet)
Ocean depth = 10,994 meters,= 36069.55381 feet, = c. 6.83 miles. That's the top layer of our world's organic debris field. The rest of that sedimentary layer is up to another couple of miles (10,560 ft) deeper than that, aprox.
That organic debris field is the main source of our oil. It is packed with fossils.
Organic matter from dead sea and land life forms break down until only carbon and hydrogen remain, accumulating in the lower sedimentary layers (source rock) in the crust, where, under higher temperatures and pressure, oxygen and nitrogen are separated from the olious fluids made of hydrogen and carbon, leaching upwards (being lighter than water), into surrounding porous rocks (reservoir rocks), especially sandstone and shale, then becoming sequestered there through entrapment by a 'capping' stratum of less porous rock, such as limestone.
Gas, oil and water together become trapped, often in 'domes' created by geological folding, and in rifts in the crust.
Fossil remains are billions of years old, at least a million years are needed to transform organic materials into oil.
Most of the time, oil and gas so formed simply leaches into the surrounding water and atmosphere.
Yes, I'd say ENT is probably a couple of lengths in front at the moment.
Pseudopuss is floundering about all over the course.
But neither of them have gone for the whip yet.
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Originally Posted by pseudolus
Yes of course it is.
200 yrs ago 1816, floods devastated crops in n.america and n.europe.
The year without a summer. and dire poverty.
that the prattmasters seem to be utterly unaware of that thing called plate tonics and geology in general.
ive come to the conclusion that on only difference between psudo and this chap:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4PbPbPKJIQ
is that one believes in god and the other does not. Thus proving you don't need to be religious to be a blinkered fool who believes evidence is only good if you want it to be true.
With all the insanity that one see's in the US, its nice to that what we loose in volume uk makes up in calibr... hence the 100% brit make up of TD CSI.
never needed one.
just impressed with all that competition from the tea buggerers, god botherers, the trump bandwagon and the nra loons.... we still managed to create three British loons who could dominate them all to become the cream of TD's CSI.
The die hard warmists here will never give up no matter how much proof is shown them. Sooooooo what category do they fall into?
Are they investers in the global warming scams and don't want their pig swill train of ill gotten cash interrupted? And now have endless time to berate anyone who dares oppose there personal empires.
Or are they die hard leftists out to damage capitalism as much as possible and install Socialism for all whether we want it or not. Because they know whats best for the world like all leftists do and that equals Socialism[or worse] for all or face Che quavara and a firing squad? Except that its failed everywhere its been in full control.
Orrrr are they just brain damaged leftists who truly believe it all? No ones that stupid who posts all the graphs, tables, quotes etc that they do.
Or do you have an interesting possiblilty?
all praise the church of libertarianism
if thats the case, you would have thought your chuch could provide the evidence as was done with the funding of the climate denalists.
out of curiosuty whats your real nic?
Sorry I don't understand nic, im a 61 year old Canadian retired in Victoria bc Canada. I was a green until I discovered climatedepot.com and all it led to about 11 years ago. I contrasted what it told me with fellow greens who told me lying is fine, the ends justify the means. That the truth doesn't matter as long as we persuade the masses especially target the old and flower power types because their intellects are either slowing down or drugs have softened their brains.
I got a hang up and its the truth, I never liked the right wing, I still consider myself a green but one in a minority, one that struggles to be honest. But the global warming/socialist scam moved the democrats further and further from the middle ground politically until one day I woke up and discovered I was now considered a right winger.
Anti coal/pollution laws have forced fairly clean companies to move to 3rd world countries where there are no pollution laws at all and sooo the companies pollution output doubles or trebles and the greens scream we won, we won while the world has just gotten dirtier just amazes me. And on top of that we have shipped the companies, the jobs, the taxes, the incomes, the technology, our future, our childrens future to other countries and the greens scream we won we won boggles my mind.
All that says to me is that its a socialist led scam where the west must be made poorer while 3rd world countries are artificially enriched at our people expense in the name of international socialist welfare. Where there might be other more scary possibilities like weaken the west who tho flawed are the best there is to police this world and evil countries start to do nasty things like has started under Obama.
I truly am new to this site and think this site has some exciting threads. Im a political animal living in Canadas left coast paradise. I know I cant keep up with most of you but ill have fun taking pot shots from afar.
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Sure you are..Quote:
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https://forums.daybreakgames.com/eq/...recent-content
Maybe you should do yourself a favor and read through this thread that website has been debunked countless times. It is connected to the Heartland Institute which is a Koch brothers "think tank" and also funded by exxon mobile they also have ties to big tobacco and hold the postion that smoking does not cause cancer.:rolleyes: You and anyone else that thinks there is anything credible on that website are morons. Furthermore the founder Marc Morano has no background in science at all he is a Republican with a political science degree. Surprise surprise.Quote:
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Why even climate science denialist Marc Morano knows not to bet against global warming data | Environment | The Guardian
Who is Marc Morano? - Greedy Lying Bastards
Yes im an old eq player for 14 years but I retired 6 months ago, I still read the forums daily but cant bring myself to play anymore. So yes im that pulvarien, raging fury on antonious bayle for about the last 7 or so years of my play time, a raid warrior for 12 of those 13 years. But everyones time comes.
As to global warming ive lived in Bangkok for 5 years then Tokyo for 8 outside Toronto for 18 and Victoria for 3. And of those 30 or so years of climate crisis ive still not seen any, and if theres a crisis it should be screaming in my face almost immedietly and since ive yet to see anything then keep crying wolf but I wont come running.
Oh well, all those scientists might as well stop thier studies now then.Quote:
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You must be blind not to see it especially if you live in the Pacific northwest. There have been countless alarm bells that any rational person should see if you live in this area. I should not have to point out the obvious.Quote:
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You do know Climate Change does not involve the temperature going up 10 degrees overnight, don't you?
Do you actually understand simple graphs like this one?
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^ He sounds like every geriatric right wing imbecile that posts on facebook saying "not in my back yard it aint". Stupid old fools who can not comprehend science so they latch on to the denialist propaganda. On a side note it is also laughable that pseudo latched on to this propaganda that was manufactured by big oil and the oligarchs to confuse the fox news crowd. Of course he will swear up and down that is not the case that it is part of a global conspiracy that incorporates 9/11 denial, chem trails, fluoride, vaccinations, the denial that oil comes from fossils, and lizard people control the world. :rofl:
But conventional science is somehow wrong. Throw another book on the fire and burn the heretics because they are smarter then you are. Laughable.
Surprise surprise :)..
Peabody Energy, America’s biggest coalmining company, has funded at least two dozen groups that cast doubt on manmade climate change and oppose environment regulations, analysis by the Guardian reveals.
The funding spanned trade associations, corporate lobby groups, and industry front groups as well as conservative thinktanks and was exposed in court filings last month.
The coal company also gave to political organisations, funding twice as many Republican groups as Democratic ones.
Peabody, the world’s biggest private sector publicly traded coal company, was long known as an outlier even among fossil fuel companies for its public rejection of climate science and action. But its funding of climate denial groups was only exposed in disclosures after the coal titan was forced to seek bankruptcy protection in April, under competition from cheap natural gas. Environmental campaigners said they had not known for certain that the company was funding an array of climate denial groups – and that the breadth of that funding took them by surprise.
The company’s filings reveal funding for a range of organisations which have fought Barack Obama’s plans to cut greenhouse gas emissions, and denied the very existence of climate change.
“These groups collectively are the heart and soul of climate denial,” said Kert Davies, founder of the Climate Investigation Center, who has spent 20 years tracking funding for climate denial. “It’s the broadest list I have seen of one company funding so many nodes in the denial machine.”
Among Peabody’s beneficiaries, the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change has insisted – wrongly – that carbon emissions are not a threat but “the elixir of life” while the American Legislative Exchange Council is trying to overturn Environmental Protection Agency rules cutting emissions from power plants. Meanwhile, Americans for Prosperity campaigns against carbon pricing. The Oklahoma chapter was on the list.
Contrarian scientists such as Richard Lindzen and Willie Soon also feature on the bankruptcy list.
So does the Washington lobbyist and industry strategist Richard Berman, whose firm has launched a welter of front groups attacking the EPA rules.
The filings do not list amounts or dates. But the documents suggest Peabody supported dozens of groups engaged in blocking environmental regulations in addition to a number of contrarian scientists who together have obstructed US and global action on climate change.
The support squares up with Peabody’s public position on climate change. The company went further than the fossil fuel companies and conservative groups that merely promoted doubt about the risks of climate change, asserting that rising carbon emissions were beneficial.
The truth behind Peabody's campaign to rebrand coal as a poverty cure
Just last year, Peabody wrote to the White House Council on Environmental Quality describing carbon dioxide as “a benign gas that is essential for all life” and denying the dangers of global warming.
“While the benefits of carbon dioxide are proven, the alleged risks of climate change are contrary to observed data, are based on admitted speculation, and lack adequate scientific basis,” the company wrote in the 24 March 2015 letter.
The company agreed in November to make fuller disclosures about global warming risks under a settlement deal reached with the New York attorney general. Peabody had been under investigation for misleading investors and the public about the potential impact of climate change on its business.
Even so, the full extent of Peabody’s financial support for climate denial is unlikely to be revealed until the completion of bankruptcy proceedings. “The breadth of the groups with financial ties to Peabody is extraordinary. Thinktanks, litigation groups, climate scientists, political organisations, dozens of organisations blocking action on climate all receiving funding from the coal industry,” said Nick Surgey, director of research for the Center for Media and Democracy. “We expected to see some denial money, but it looks like Peabody is the treasury for a very substantial part of the climate denial movement.”
Peabody’s filings revealed funding for the American Legislative Exchange Council, the corporate lobby group which opposes clean energy standards and tried to impose financial penalties on homeowners with solar panels, as well as a constellation of conservative thinktanks and organisations.
These included the State Policy Network and the Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity, which worked to defeat climate bills in Congress and are seeking to overturn Environmental Protection Agency rules to reduce carbon pollution from power plants, as well as the Congress for Racial Equality, which was a major civil rights organisation in the 1960s.
The filings also revealed funding for the George C Marshall Institute, the Institute for Energy Research, and the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, which are seen as industry front groups.
The names of a number of well-known contrarian academics also feature in the Peabody filings, including Willie Soon, a researcher at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics. Soon has been funded almost entirely by the fossil fuel industry, receiving more than $1.2m from oil companies and utilities, but this was the first indication of Peabody funding. Soon and the Smithsonian did not respond to requests for comment. Richard Lindzen and Roy Spencer, two contrarian scientists who appeared for Peabody at hearings in Minnesota last month on the social cost of carbon, were also included in the bankruptcy filings.
Peabody refused to comment on its funding for climate denial groups, as revealed by the bankruptcy filings.
“While we wouldn’t comment on alliances with particular organizations, Peabody has a track record of advancing responsible energy and environmental policies, and we support organizations that advocate sustainable mining, energy access and clean coal solutions, in line with our company’s leadership in these areas,” Vic Svec, Peabody’s senior vice-president for global investor and corporate relations, wrote in an email.
Over the last decade, fossil fuel companies distanced themselves from open climate denial. Much of the funding for climate denial went underground, with corporations and conservative billionaires routing the funds through secretive networks such as Donors’ Trust.
But the sharp drop in coal prices, under competition from cheap natural gas, and a string of bankruptcies among leading US coal companies has inadvertently revealed the coal industry’s continued support for climate denial - even as oil companies moved away from open rejection of the science.
Earlier this year, bankruptcy filings from the country’s second-biggest coal company, Arch Coal Inc, revealed funding to a group known mainly for its unsuccessful lawsuit against the climate scientist Michael Mann.
The $10,000 donation to the Energy and Environment Legal Institute (E&E) was made in 2014, according to court documents filed in Arch’s chapter 11 bankruptcy protection case.
Last October, court filings from another coal company seeking bankruptcy protection, Alpha Natural Resources, revealed an $18,600 payment to Chris Horner, a fellow at E&E.
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...denial-funding
JMA second warmest May recorded and warmest Spring ever recorded.
The monthly anomaly of the global average surface temperature in May 2016 (i.e. the average of the near-surface air temperature over land and the SST) was +0.37°C above the 1981-2010 average (+0.74°C above the 20th century average), and was the 2nd warmest since 1891. On a longer time scale, global average surface temperatures have risen at a rate of about 0.71°C per century.
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Five Warmest Years/Seasons (Anomalies)
May 2016 - 1st. 2015 (+0.38°C), 2nd. 2016 (+0.37°C), 3rd. 2014 (+0.31°C), 4th. 1998 (+0.27°C), 5th. 2010 (+0.23°C)
Spring 2016 - 1st. 2016 (+0.52°C), 2nd. 2015 (+0.33°C), 3rd. 2014 (+0.28°C), 4th. 2010 (+0.26°C), 5th. 1998 (+0.25°C)
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Arctic sea ice fell to record low for May
This year could be worst ever for melt as data shows average sea ice extent for last month was more than half a million square kilometres smaller than the previous record of May 2012.
Arctic sea ice fell to its lowest ever May extent, prompting fears that this year could beat 2012 for the record of worst ever summer sea ice melt.
Data published by the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre (NSIDC) this week showed average sea ice extent for last month was more than 500,000 sq km (193,000 sq miles) smaller than May 2012.
The extent of sea ice in the Arctic is one of the key indicators of global warming, and the new findings have been greeted with concern by scientists. Although it is too early to say whether this summer’s ice extent will be the lowest recorded, if current projections follow the course of previous years then it will be at least one of the lowest ever.
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Suckers taken in
Biggest US coal company funded dozens of groups questioning climate change
Analysis of Peabody Energy court documents show company backed trade groups, lobbyists and thinktanks dubbed ‘heart and soul of climate denial’
Peabody Energy, America’s biggest coalmining company, has funded at least two dozen groups that cast doubt on manmade climate change and oppose environment regulations, analysis by the Guardian reveals.
The funding spanned trade associations, corporate lobby groups, and industry front groups as well as conservative thinktanks and was exposed in court filings last month.
The coal company also gave to political organisations, funding twice as many Republican groups as Democratic ones.
Peabody, the world’s biggest private sector publicly traded coal company, was long known as an outlier even among fossil fuel companies for its public rejection of climate science and action. But its funding of climate denial groups was only exposed in disclosures after the coal titan was forced to seek bankruptcy protection in April, under competition from cheap natural gas.
The story above is a nice segue to the next partial post,….
You’re going to have to scream a bit louder, flail those arms a bit higher, increase your font size a bit (with color) and up your knowledge on science (of which you still haven’t provided any science to dispute man made climate change) because it’s not working. More and more people (79%) are concerned that climate change is harming or will harm people in the immediate future.
Maybe a new hat would help with the misinformation you spread to get yourself and your cause more attention, because you’re becoming even more of a bore.
The awareness campaign is working and you and your type are losing.
NASA’s numbers are in and it looks like the warmest May and Spring ever recorded
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Carbon dioxide levels in atmosphere forecast to shatter milestone
Scientists warn that global warming target will be overshot within two decades, as annual concentrations of CO2 set to pass 400 parts per million in 2016
Atmospheric concentrations of CO2 will shatter the symbolic barrier of 400 parts per million (ppm) this year and will not fall below it our in our lifetimes, according to a new Met Office study.
Carbon dioxide measurements at the Mauna Loa observatory in Hawaii are forecast to soar by a record 3.1ppm this year – up from an annual average of 2.1ppm – due in large part to the cyclical El Niño weather event in the Pacific, the paper says.
The surge in CO2 levels will be larger than during the last big El Niño in 1997/98, because manmade emissions have increased by 25% since then, boosting the phenomenon’s strength.
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Prof Ralph Keeling of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography, a co-author on the paper, said: “Back in September last year, we suspected that we were measuring CO2 concentrations below 400 ppm for the last time. Now it is looking like this was indeed the case.”
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Related news about the first post in this thread,....
Another Legal Win for Michael Mann
One of the fronts in the Climate Science Wars is Dr. Mann’s lawsuit against the National Review Online, Competitive Enterprise Institute and Mark Steyn. In a couple of intertwined blog posts in 2012, they accuse Dr. Mann’s hockey stick of being a product of fraud, and since it’s not, he’s suing for defamation.
Antarctica was the last place on earth to record less than 400ppm CO2. No more.
Antarctic CO2 Hit 400 PPM For First Time in 4 Million Years | Climate Central
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Carbon dioxide has been steadily rising since the start of the Industrial Revolution, setting a new high year after year. There’s a notable new entry to the record books. The last station on Earth without a 400 parts per million (ppm) reading has reached it.
NOAA’s 2016 - May and Spring numbers are in,……
warmest May and Spring ever recorded