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    An informative interview (2015 hottest year on record) with,……..

    Gavin Schmidt - Director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies
    Lisa Goddard - Director of Columbia University’s International Research Institute for Climate and Society
    Deke Arndt - Climate Monitoring Branch chief at NOAA’s National Centers for Environmental Information
    Juliet Eilperin - Washington Post White House bureau

    on the The Diane Rehm Show can be heard here.

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    A little more on El Nino and what 2016 (17 & 18) might look like,………

    Global surface temperature in 2015 was +0.87°C (~1.6°F) warmer than the 1951-1980 base period in the GISTEMP analysis, making 2015 the warmest year in the period of instrumental data. The 2015 temperature was boosted by a strong El Niño, nearly of the same strength as the 1998 “El Niño of the century”. The updated global temperature record makes it clear that there was no global warming “hiatus”. Global temperature in 2015 was +1.13 (~2.03°F) relative to the 1880-1920 mean. Accounting for interannual variability, it is fair to say that global warming has now reached ~1°C, almost ~2°F.

    All land area with substantial habitation was warmer than the 1951-1980 climatology in 2015. The final three months of 2015 each exceeded the prior monthly global temperature record by a wide margin. The late-2015 record warmth was spurred by a strong El Niño (Fig. 3). Global temperature anomaly, averaged over many El Niños, is strongly correlated with Niño3.4 temperature anomaly, with global temperature lagging Niño 3.4 anomaly by ~3 months. Thus we can anticipate that 2016 will again be very warm on global average, as temperature in the first half of the year will be boosted by the fading El Niño and Earth’s continuing average energy imbalance of 0.5-1 W/m2 also creates a tendency toward warming. Thus we can say with confidence that both 60-month (5-year) and 128-month (11-year) running means will continue to rise noticeably in 2016.

    We can also say with confidence, because of Earth’s energy imbalance (energy absorbed from sunlight exceeding heat radiated to space), that the present decade will be warmer than last decade. Already the first half of the present decade is almost 0.1°C warmer than last decade. Strong La Niñas commonly follow strong El Niños, so it is likely that 2017 and perhaps 2018 will be quite cool relative to 2015-2016, but the decade as a whole should be considerably warmer than the prior decade.


    Fig. 3. Temperature anomalies in Niño 3.4 region 3 for three strongest El Niños in past 100 years and corresponding global temperature anomalies. Data source: http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/data/in...th.81-10.ascii

    Each of the three big El Niños since 70's has been progressively warmer.
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    From NASA’s vital signs

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
    And do you really have six vehicles?
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl View Post
    I own two Corollas and two trucks, several scooters
    And he calls for a moratorium on the personal motor vehicle, blames "libtards" and the "libtard media" for 'their problem' and asks what they are doing to fix it.

    Quite staggering hypocrisy innit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl View Post
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    Or have you missed all the legislation in the West against atmospheric pollution?
    Yea Harry I seem to have completely missed the discussions of zero emissions and zero emission mandates.
    Please direct me!
    I also missed the discussion on petrol rationing and a moratorium on the personal motor vehicle.
    Please direct me!

    I did notice some pandering of big business with bullshit carbon credit measures.

    Carbon credit aren't going to remedy the environmental emergency which exists right now.
    A carbon credit isn't going to save anyone's life or prevent the hypothetical rise in sea levels.

    I also missed any media discussion of ceasing the 36 billion dollar subsidies for the beef industry, another major greenhouse gas producer.
    Where is the media on this?
    You can't just make a zero emission law. They did in California back in 1995, but somehow, Bush and co. got it repealed

    You need to look at the major sources which at present are transportation and industry. In Thailand you see much of this being cleaned up.

    Pollution legislation on cars has made a big dent, the development of affordable mass transit another.the Europeans set a pretty good example there

    In industry, tough laws are in place for polluters.There needs to be a shift to more green industry, using renewable resources like hemp and bamboo, agriculture needs to shift away from livestock feed to food supply for humans

    But you're right, they could do more and probably will.

    But the Chinese and the Indians don't want to do anything.As long as Americans line up for their products.

    Fair point about the cows, but herbivorous animals have always existed on the earth so are you going to go for a mass extermination of them?just talking about feedlots, especially the ones using up non-renewable water supply.

    And do you really have six vehicles?
    Actually eight if I count the old motorbikes stored in Argentina and France.
    I got two Honda scooters for my staff, two old Toyota Corollas, a 16 year old beater used by my staff, and a 26 year old beater I keep parked in a garage with the battery removed.(still an economical car if needed.)
    And two very old trucks used on the bamboo growing plantation, a 1980 nissan 2wd and a 1969 Land Rover. Reusing these old vehicles is essentially recycling resources.
    Meanwhile I'm saving money for when zero emission vehicles come on line.

    I've also considered building my own zero emission vehicle. It's not so hard to do, I've got some friends who converted an old Datsun roadster to electric motor and battery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post

    Quite staggering hypocrisy innit.
    How so Peewee? Simply owning a vehicle doesn't mean it's being used all the time.

    And then consider all my vehicles put together cost less and use fewer resources than your one new SUV. The newest of which is 16 years old, yet is still more economical than your new SUV.

    And then local businesses benefit because I use local mechanics and tyre suppliers to service the vehicles, I'm not supporting the giant mega corporations in buying the latest fashion show every year.
    Yep a moratorium on personal motor vehicles would not affect me that much as I could easily just leave all my old junk parked forever and not miss any sleep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl
    How so Peewee?
    Because at the same time as owning six, sorry, eight motor vehicles you're screaming about what "libtards" and the "libtard media" are doing to address an issue that - by a process of spurious and unsound logic gymnastics - you try to pass of as theirs. Or anyone else's really. Anyone but yourself. The owner of eight vehicles. Who is calling for a moratorium on the personal motor vehicle.

    hy·poc·ri·sy
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    the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.

    Really Earl, it's not that difficult.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl
    And then consider all my vehicles put together cost less and use fewer resources than your one new SUV. The newest of which is 16 years old, yet is still more economical than your new SUV.
    Consider this: aside from (possibly) cost that couldn't possibly be correct and is a fatuous comparison for many reasons - but mainly because I don't own nor drive a new SUV.

    So what's your next straw man?
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl
    as I could easily just leave all my old junk parked forever and not miss any sleep
    Even as it degrades and causes environmental damage?

    You really don't care do you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    I don't own nor drive a new SUV.
    But you wish you did, that's what counts doesn't it.
    That's the difference between an ignorant consumer like yourself and someone like me who actually is cultivating renewable resources.

    One of the reasons we don't have zero emission vehicles yet is largely to ignorant little consumer douchebags, lining up for the next fashion.

    Do you ride your bike to work Peewee?
    Well maybe you should. You might look at things differently.

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    So what's your next straw man?
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl
    But you wish you did, that's what counts doesn't it.
    Predictably lame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by AntRobertson View Post
    I don't own nor drive a new SUV.
    But you wish you did, that's what counts doesn't it.
    Aaaaaaand back to being a knobhead.

    Damn, you were almost lucid there for a few posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    The winter is ending, the ice is thawing,
    the Earth is moving to a new 'Spring '


    embrace change don't be afraid of it
    Exactly what would we running from?
    Thanks for the red snubbles, but that was a serious question, what is the worst that can happen by the temperature of the earth going up a few degrees.
    Sea levels displacing 100s of millions of people.

    Extreme weather events that affect 100s of millions more, due to crop or property damage.

    I would think they are the biggest two in terms of human impact.


    You think those are events to run away from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Takeovers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post

    Sea levels displacing 100s of millions of people.
    Where exactly?

    Extreme weather events that affect 100s of millions more, due to crop or property damage.
    .
    Where are these 100s of millions? Why aren't they in the news?

    If you had read and understand the discussion
    Oh come on, it's Mr. Earl you're talking about here.




    Still, he asked a question:

    So Balk and some colleagues used satellite data to map out places along the coast that have low elevations — less than 30 feet above sea level. Then, to find out who lived there, they looked at census figures from 224 countries.

    The numbers showed that low-elevation areas are home to 634 million people.

    "Roughly one in 10 persons in the world lives in this low-elevation coastal zone," Balk says.

    Some of the countries have very large populations: The 10 countries with the most people in the low coastal areas are China, India, Bangladesh, Vietnam, Indonesia, Japan, Egypt, United States, Thailand, and the Philippines.
    Study: 634 Million People at Risk from Rising Seas : NPR

    Gore said the Arctic ice would be gone by now, what happened? If the melting of arctic ice is what you are counting on to raise the oceans enough to displace millions looks like you will have a long wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    has this January been selected as the warmest one ever yet ?
    Are the pretty graphs out ?

    meanwhile



    East Asia cold snap 'kills 85 in Taiwan'

    A cold snap sweeping across East Asia has killed at least 85 people in Taiwan and stranded 60,000 tourists in South Korea.
    Taiwanese media reported deaths from hypothermia and cardiac disease following a sudden drop in temperature over the weekend.
    Meanwhile heavy snow forced the closure of the airport on the Korean holiday island of Jeju, cancelling flights.
    The cold spell has also hit Hong Kong, southern China and Japan.
    'Sudden drop'

    Many of those who died in Taiwan were elderly people living in northern regions such as Taipei and Taoyuan. Those areas accounted for 66 of the deaths.
    Another 16 were confirmed dead in the southern city of Kaohsiung.
    The temperature in Taipei city fell to a 44-year low of 4C (39F) on Sunday, and many homes in Taiwan lack central heating.
    Many victims reportedly had heart trouble and shortness of breath.
    "In our experience, it's not the actual temperature but the sudden drop that's too sudden for people's circulatory systems,'' said a city official quoted by AP news agency.

    In Hong Kong, residents shivered in 3C, the lowest temperature there in nearly 60 years.
    Parts of Guangzhou and Shenzhen in southern China have also seen the rare appearance of snow, while the southern Japanese island of Okinawa has seen sleet for the first time ever, report Chinese and Japanese media.

    East Asia cold snap 'kills 85 in Taiwan' - BBC News
    Well to be honest it's nailed on that you are the sort of comprehensive-school-failed-most-of-his-CSE's-except-woodwork-type moron that doesn't know the difference between weather and climate, so that isn't really a surprise.

    But isn't weather a product of climate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Takeovers View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post

    Sea levels displacing 100s of millions of people.
    Where exactly?

    Where are these 100s of millions? Why aren't they in the news?

    If you had read and understand the discussion
    Oh come on, it's Mr. Earl you're talking about here.




    Still, he asked a question:

    So Balk and some colleagues used satellite data to map out places along the coast that have low elevations — less than 30 feet above sea level. Then, to find out who lived there, they looked at census figures from 224 countries.

    The numbers showed that low-elevation areas are home to 634 million people.

    "Roughly one in 10 persons in the world lives in this low-elevation coastal zone," Balk says.

    Some of the countries have very large populations: The 10 countries with the most people in the low coastal areas are China, India, Bangladesh, Vietnam, Indonesia, Japan, Egypt, United States, Thailand, and the Philippines.
    Study: 634 Million People at Risk from Rising Seas : NPR
    Sure enough, sea levels might start rising, but why focus on that when the issue of air quality right now threatens peoples lives. This something very tangible and trading carbon credits isn't going to fix it.
    People are dying right now because of shitty air quality. Why not deal with the air quality now, instead of blubbering on about hypothetical sea levels.
    Why can't you libtards address the fact people are being killed right now because of this environmental disaster.
    I think you should agree it is a disaster and there should be an emergency declared.
    Anything short of that is bullshit.
    Blathering away about hypothetical sea levels does more harm than good.
    There is an emergency crisis right now which the libtard media is not addressing.

    Trading carbon credits is all about income redistribution, and only benefits the corrupt officials of the countries on the receiving side of the cash, stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65
    But isn't weather a product of climate?
    Yes and no you moron. What you are seeing is the polar vortex. You should stay away from rational though little peter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    The winter is ending, the ice is thawing,
    the Earth is moving to a new 'Spring '


    embrace change don't be afraid of it
    Exactly what would we running from?
    Thanks for the red snubbles, but that was a serious question, what is the worst that can happen by the temperature of the earth going up a few degrees.
    Sea levels displacing 100s of millions of people.

    Extreme weather events that affect 100s of millions more, due to crop or property damage.

    I would think they are the biggest two in terms of human impact.


    You think those are events to run away from?
    So you imagine words I didn't say and then laugh at your own imaginary words.

    My, but you really are the retard, aren't you?

    TD appears to have some sort of retard infection going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bsnub View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65
    But isn't weather a product of climate?
    Yes and no you moron. What you are seeing is the polar vortex. You should stay away from rational though little peter.
    You will do anything to bash any post I make, when you say yes and no you show yourself to be the moron you are, weather is absolutely the product of climate, the polar vortex happens every winter no matter the climate. I realize you hate Christians and as I am one you have a hatred for me but at least make sensible posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post

    Exactly what would we running from?
    Thanks for the red snubbles, but that was a serious question, what is the worst that can happen by the temperature of the earth going up a few degrees.
    Sea levels displacing 100s of millions of people.

    Extreme weather events that affect 100s of millions more, due to crop or property damage.

    I would think they are the biggest two in terms of human impact.


    You think those are events to run away from?
    So you imagine words I didn't say and then laugh at your own imaginary words.

    My, but you really are the retard, aren't you?

    TD appears to have some sort of retard infection going on.


    You seem to be the idiot, by responding to my post you absolutely said you think what you posted to be things to run away from, I imagined nothing, I asked what we would be running away from and you responded, think about it if you posses that ability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    think about it if you posses that ability.
    Nope, that's outside Harry's skill set. Harry(and many others here) only see and believe what mainstream media spoon feeds them.
    They have all the self awareness of a parrot.
    It be a curious thing to observe.

    Sad though because the planet suffers these idiots. Yet it really isn't their fault because they are products of the liberal one size fits all education.


    An education which doesn't allow for thoughtful inquiry.



    The global warming issue is a perfect example how incapable of thoughtful inquiry the climate change alarmist community is.

    No questions about the carbon credit bullshit.

    No questions about zero emissions.

    No questions about the beef industry.

    No questions why the Amazon rain forest is being cut down.

    No questions why China abandoned the bicycle for the motorcar.

    No questions why the food supply is contaminated with sugars and neurotoxins.

    No questions at all they just obey the media masters, buy their coco puffs and ridiculous 4dr toyota trucks.

    The earth suffers these idiots.

    Nope, thoughtful inquiry is forbidden in the modern world of big business sponsored government and media.

    The simple elegant solution to global warming; ride a bicycle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl
    Nope, that's outside Harry's skill set. Harry(and many others here) only see and believe what mainstream media spoon feeds them.
    Why don't you tell us who spoon feeds you? (because your information, when you bother to post any, doesn't stand up to the light of day).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrG View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl
    Nope, that's outside Harry's skill set. Harry(and many others here) only see and believe what mainstream media spoon feeds them.
    Why don't you tell us who spoon feeds you? (because your information, when you bother to post any, doesn't stand up to the light of day).
    I observe nature and think for myself, G-man.

    Have you ever observed a bamboo shoot come out of the ground?

    Or the aviating skills of big a wasp?

    Or even the lowly earthworm, how he can transform his own body weight in organic compost everyday, day after day for up to four years!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    You seem to be the idiot, by responding to my post you absolutely said you think what you posted to be things to run away from, I imagined nothing, I asked what we would be running away from and you responded, think about it if you posses that ability.
    You really should go back and try and finish High School.

    I didn't respond to your post. I responded to the subsequent question: "what is the worst that can happen by the temperature of the earth going up a few degrees?"

    Do you understand how threads work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    think about it if you posses that ability.
    Nope, that's outside Harry's skill set. Harry(and many others here) only see and believe what mainstream media spoon feeds them.
    They have all the self awareness of a parrot.
    It be a curious thing to observe.

    Sad though because the planet suffers these idiots. Yet it really isn't their fault because they are products of the liberal one size fits all education.


    An education which doesn't allow for thoughtful inquiry.



    The global warming issue is a perfect example how incapable of thoughtful inquiry the climate change alarmist community is.

    No questions about the carbon credit bullshit.

    No questions about zero emissions.

    No questions about the beef industry.

    No questions why the Amazon rain forest is being cut down.

    No questions why China abandoned the bicycle for the motorcar.

    No questions why the food supply is contaminated with sugars and neurotoxins.

    No questions at all they just obey the media masters, buy their coco puffs and ridiculous 4dr toyota trucks.

    The earth suffers these idiots.

    Nope, thoughtful inquiry is forbidden in the modern world of big business sponsored government and media.

    The simple elegant solution to global warming; ride a bicycle.
    Now you're just dribbling again.

    Eight petrochemical driven vehicles, wasn't it?

    You're a bit of an environmental champagne socialist, aren't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrG View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Earl
    Nope, that's outside Harry's skill set. Harry(and many others here) only see and believe what mainstream media spoon feeds them.
    Why don't you tell us who spoon feeds you? (because your information, when you bother to post any, doesn't stand up to the light of day).
    According to who, you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    You seem to be the idiot, by responding to my post you absolutely said you think what you posted to be things to run away from, I imagined nothing, I asked what we would be running away from and you responded, think about it if you posses that ability.
    You really should go back and try and finish High School.

    I didn't respond to your post. I responded to the subsequent question: "what is the worst that can happen by the temperature of the earth going up a few degrees?"

    Do you understand how threads work?
    Seeing as the original question from me was what should we run from, then snubbles chimed in with some of his usual dribble, and you commented you most certainly was responding to my original post. But go ahead and lie your way out, you certainly are good at it, problem is your only fooling yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    You're a bit of an environmental champagne socialist, aren't you?
    Sounds like Earl is considering Creationism as a simple solution to his trepidation.
    When you find yourself siding with Our Peter you know you've lost the plot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65 View Post
    You seem to be the idiot, by responding to my post you absolutely said you think what you posted to be things to run away from, I imagined nothing, I asked what we would be running away from and you responded, think about it if you posses that ability.
    You really should go back and try and finish High School.

    I didn't respond to your post. I responded to the subsequent question: "what is the worst that can happen by the temperature of the earth going up a few degrees?"

    Do you understand how threads work?
    Seeing as the original question from me was what should we run from, then snubbles chimed in with some of his usual dribble, and you commented you most certainly was responding to my original post. But go ahead and lie your way out, you certainly are good at it, problem is your only fooling yourself.
    I suggest you refer to your earlier post where you asked "what is the worst that can happen by the temperature of the earth going up a few degrees.".

    I also suggest you get checked out for Alzheimers.

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