Thread: Any doubts about Climate Change?

Global warming – Takes an Australian to tell it like it is!!!

Ian Rutherford Plimer is an Australian geologist, professor emeritus of earth sciences at the University of Melbourne, Professor of Mining Geology at the University of Adelaide, and the Director of Multiple Mineral Exploration and Mining Companies. He has published 130 scientific papers, six books and edited the Encyclopedia of Geology.

Ian Rutherford Plimer; Born February 1946, Residence Australia, Nationality Australian, Fields; Earth Science, Geology, Mining Engineering.
Institutions; University of New England,University of Newcastle,University of Melbourne , University of Adelaide. Alma mater: University of New South Wales,Macquarie University.

Thesis: The pipe deposits of tungsten-molybdenum-bismuth in eastern Australia (1976)

Notable awards Eureka Prize (1995, 2002),Centenary Medal (2003), Clarke Medal (2004)


Professor Ian Plimer could not have said it better! If you've read his book you will agree, this is a good summary.


Where Does the Carbon Dioxide Really Come From?


PLIMER: "Okay, here's the bombshell. The volcanic eruption in Iceland recently . Since its first spewing of volcanic ash , in just FOUR DAYS, NEGATED EVERY SINGLE EFFORT you have made in the past five years to control CO2 emissions on our planet - all of you.

Of course, you know about this evil carbon dioxide that we are trying to suppress - it’s that vital chemical compound that every plant requires to live and grow and to synthesize into oxygen for us humans and all animal life on this planet.

I know....it's very disheartening to realize that all of the carbon emission savings you have accomplished while suffering the inconvenience and expense of driving Prius hybrids, buying fabric grocery bags, sitting up till midnight to finish your kids "The Green Revolution" science project, throwing out all of your non-green cleaning supplies, using only two squares of toilet paper, putting a brick in your toilet tank reservoir, selling your SUV and speedboat, vacationing at home instead of abroad!!!

Nearly getting hit every day on your bicycle, replacing all of your 50 cent light bulbs with $10.00 light bulbs.....well, all of those things you have done have all gone down the tubes in just four days. The volcanic ash emitted into the Earth's atmosphere in just four days - yes, FOUR DAYS - by that volcano in Iceland has totally erased every single effort you have made to reduce the evil beast, carbon. And there are around 200 active volcanoes on the planet spewing out this crud into the atmosphere - EVERY DAY of the year.

I don't really want to rain on your parade too much, but I should mention that when the volcano Mt Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines in 1991, it spewed out more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than the entire human race had emitted in all its years on earth.

Yes, folks, Mt Pinatubo was active for over one year - think about it. Of course, I shouldn't spoil this 'touchy-feely tree-hugging' moment and mention the effect of solar and cosmic activity and the well-recognized 800-year global heating and cooling cycle, which keeps happening despite our completely insignificant efforts to affect climate change.

And I do wish I had a silver lining to this volcanic ash cloud, but the fact of the matter is that the bush fire season across the western USA and Australia this year alone will negate your efforts to reduce carbon in our world for the next two to three years. And it happens every year.

Just remember that your government just tried to impose a whopping carbon tax on you, on the basis of the bogus 'human-caused' climate-change scenario. Hey, isn’t it interesting how they don’t mention 'Global Warming' anymore, but just 'Climate Change' - you know why? It’s because the planet has COOLED by 0.7 degrees in the past century and these global warming ‘BS’ artists got caught with their pants down.
And, just keep in mind that you might yet have an Emissions Trading Scheme - that whopping new tax – imposed on you, that will achieve absolutely nothing except make you poorer.

It won’t stop any volcanoes from erupting, that’s for sure!!!

But, hey, relax...... and have a nice day mate !"

So a dude who isn't a climatologist and who has a vested financial interest in a pollution causing industry says that CO2 isn't a problem... And he's Australian.

Not very convincing.

Damn the volcanos! Full speed ahead!

Originally Posted by bowie

Global warming – Takes an Australian to tell it like it is!!!

Ian Rutherford Plimer is an Australian geologist, professor emeritus of earth sciences at the University of Melbourne, Professor of Mining Geology at the University of Adelaide, and the Director of Multiple Mineral Exploration and Mining Companies. He has published 130 scientific papers, six books and edited the Encyclopedia of Geology.

Ian Rutherford Plimer; Born February 1946, Residence Australia, Nationality Australian, Fields; Earth Science, Geology, Mining Engineering.
Institutions; University of New England,University of Newcastle,University of Melbourne , University of Adelaide. Alma mater: University of New South Wales,Macquarie University.

Thesis: The pipe deposits of tungsten-molybdenum-bismuth in eastern Australia (1976)

Notable awards Eureka Prize (1995, 2002),Centenary Medal (2003), Clarke Medal (2004)


Professor Ian Plimer could not have said it better! If you've read his book you will agree, this is a good summary.


Where Does the Carbon Dioxide Really Come From?


PLIMER: "Okay, here's the bombshell. The volcanic eruption in Iceland recently . Since its first spewing of volcanic ash , in just FOUR DAYS, NEGATED EVERY SINGLE EFFORT you have made in the past five years to control CO2 emissions on our planet - all of you.

Of course, you know about this evil carbon dioxide that we are trying to suppress - it’s that vital chemical compound that every plant requires to live and grow and to synthesize into oxygen for us humans and all animal life on this planet.

I know....it's very disheartening to realize that all of the carbon emission savings you have accomplished while suffering the inconvenience and expense of driving Prius hybrids, buying fabric grocery bags, sitting up till midnight to finish your kids "The Green Revolution" science project, throwing out all of your non-green cleaning supplies, using only two squares of toilet paper, putting a brick in your toilet tank reservoir, selling your SUV and speedboat, vacationing at home instead of abroad!!!

Nearly getting hit every day on your bicycle, replacing all of your 50 cent light bulbs with $10.00 light bulbs.....well, all of those things you have done have all gone down the tubes in just four days. The volcanic ash emitted into the Earth's atmosphere in just four days - yes, FOUR DAYS - by that volcano in Iceland has totally erased every single effort you have made to reduce the evil beast, carbon. And there are around 200 active volcanoes on the planet spewing out this crud into the atmosphere - EVERY DAY of the year.

I don't really want to rain on your parade too much, but I should mention that when the volcano Mt Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines in 1991, it spewed out more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than the entire human race had emitted in all its years on earth.

Yes, folks, Mt Pinatubo was active for over one year - think about it. Of course, I shouldn't spoil this 'touchy-feely tree-hugging' moment and mention the effect of solar and cosmic activity and the well-recognized 800-year global heating and cooling cycle, which keeps happening despite our completely insignificant efforts to affect climate change.

And I do wish I had a silver lining to this volcanic ash cloud, but the fact of the matter is that the bush fire season across the western USA and Australia this year alone will negate your efforts to reduce carbon in our world for the next two to three years. And it happens every year.

Just remember that your government just tried to impose a whopping carbon tax on you, on the basis of the bogus 'human-caused' climate-change scenario. Hey, isn’t it interesting how they don’t mention 'Global Warming' anymore, but just 'Climate Change' - you know why? It’s because the planet has COOLED by 0.7 degrees in the past century and these global warming ‘BS’ artists got caught with their pants down.
And, just keep in mind that you might yet have an Emissions Trading Scheme - that whopping new tax – imposed on you, that will achieve absolutely nothing except make you poorer.

It won’t stop any volcanoes from erupting, that’s for sure!!!

But, hey, relax...... and have a nice day mate !"

As Ant says, the rambling bollocks of someone with a vested interest in attempting to squash climate science.

Unfortunately....

Volcanic versus anthropogenic CO2 emissions

Do the Earth’s volcanoes emit more CO2 than human activities? Research findings indicate that the answer to this frequently asked question is a clear and unequivocal, “No.” Human activities, responsible for a projected 35 billion metric tons (gigatons) of CO2 emissions in 2010 (Friedlingstein et al., 2010), release an amount of CO2 that dwarfs the annual CO2 emissions of all the world’s degassing subaerial and submarine volcanoes (Gerlach, 2011).

The published estimates of the global CO2 emission rate for all degassing subaerial (on land) and submarine volcanoes lie in a range from 0.13 gigaton to 0.44 gigaton per year (Gerlach, 1991; Varekamp et al., 1992; Allard, 1992; Sano and Williams, 1996; Marty and Tolstikhin, 1998). The preferred global estimates of the authors of these studies range from about 0.15 to 0.26 gigaton per year. The 35-gigaton projected anthropogenic CO2 emission for 2010 is about 80 to 270 times larger than the respective maximum and minimum annual global volcanic CO2 emission estimates. It is 135 times larger than the highest preferred global volcanic CO2 estimate of 0.26 gigaton per year (Marty and Tolstikhin, 1998).

In recent times, about 70 volcanoes are normally active each year on the Earth’s subaerial terrain. One of these is Kīlauea volcano in Hawaii, which has an annual baseline CO2 output of about 0.0031 gigatons per year [Gerlach et al., 2002]. It would take a huge addition of volcanoes to the subaerial landscape—the equivalent of an extra 11,200 Kīlauea volcanoes—to scale up the global volcanic CO2 emission rate to the anthropogenic CO2 emission rate. Similarly, scaling up the volcanic rate to the current anthropogenic rate by adding more submarine volcanoes would require an addition of about 360 more mid-ocean ridge systems to the sea floor, based on mid-ocean ridge CO2 estimates of Marty and Tolstikhin (1998).

There continues to be efforts to reduce uncertainties and improve estimates of present-day global volcanic CO2 emissions, but there is little doubt among volcanic gas scientists that the anthropogenic CO2 emissions dwarf global volcanic CO2 emissions.

For additional information about this subject, please read the American Geophysical Union's Eos article "Volcanic Versus Anthropogenic Carbon Dioxide" written by USGS scientist Terrence M. Gerlach.

https://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hazards/gas/climate.php

And you remember the one that closed down European airspace?

Iceland's Eyjafjoell volcano is emitting between 150,000 and 300,000 tonnes of carbon dioxide (CO2) per day, a figure placing it in the same emissions league as a small-to-medium European economy, experts said on Monday.

Assuming the composition of gas to be the same as in an earlier eruption on an adjacent volcano, "the CO2 flux of Eyjafjoell would be 150,000 tonnes per day," Colin Macpherson, an Earth scientist at Britain's University of Durham, said in an email.

Patrick Allard of the Paris Institute for Global Physics (IPGP) gave what he described as a "top-range" estimate of 300,000 tonnes per day.

Both insisted that these were only approximate estimates.

Extrapolated over a year, the emissions would place the volcano 47th to 75th in the world table of emitters on a country-by-country basis, according to a database at the World Resources Institute (WRI), which tracks environment and sustainable development.

A 47th ranking would place it above Austria, Belarus, Portugal, Ireland, Finland, Bulgaria, Sweden, Denmark and Switzerland, according to this list, which relates to 2005.

Experts stressed that the volcano contributed just a tiny amount – less than a third of one percentage point – of global emissions of greenhouse gases.

So I call bollocks on Mr. Plimer.

And as Gerlach posted in a blog piece about Plimer's book:

Several studies containing these estimates are among its 2,311 citations, but the estimates themselves are never divulged. Moreover, the book and other purveyors of this myth never explain, nor cite sources that explain, how it is known that volcanoes wholly outdo humans in adding carbon dioxide to the oceans and atmosphere.

There's one good reason for not citing sources......

clearly Australia's booners, with better business skills, having held directorships in
CBH Resources Limited
Angel Mining plc
Kimberley Metals Limited
KBL Mining Limited
Ormil Energy Limited
KEFI Minerals Plc
TNT Mines Limited
Silver City Minerals Limited
Queensland Coal Investment

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

So I call bollocks on Mr. Plimer.

I do love how these appeals to authority set these things up though:

Ian Rutherford Plimer is an Australian geologist, professor emeritus of earth sciences at the University of Melbourne, Professor of Mining Geology at the University of Adelaide, and the Director of Multiple Mineral Exploration and Mining Companies. He has published 130 scientific papers, six books and edited the Encyclopedia of Geology.

Ian Rutherford Plimer; Born February 1946, Residence Australia, Nationality Australian, Fields; Earth Science, Geology, Mining Engineering.
Institutions; University of New England,University of Newcastle,University of Melbourne , University of Adelaide. Alma mater: University of New South Wales,Macquarie University.

Thesis: The pipe deposits of tungsten-molybdenum-bismuth in eastern Australia (1976)

Notable awards Eureka Prize (1995, 2002),Centenary Medal (2003), Clarke Medal (2004)

Oh wow, look at all those awards and qualifications, he must know what he's on about...







... Except that he isn't a climatologist, has been widely called to task for nonfactual and erroneous statements, and is completely unobjective.

Can any of you explain to me where all the ice went after the well documented Ice Age , maybe just maybe the earth warmed up a few degrees and melted it all , if you have a tree hugging idea as to why the ice disappeared apart from a global warming event I would be pleased to hear it.

Originally Posted by Ozcol

if you have a tree hugging idea as to why the ice disappeared apart from a global warming event I would be pleased to hear it.

I'm kinda doubting your sincerity in that to be honest.

Anyways the answer is obvious: the planet did warm up. It's why we're still not in a, you know, ice age. So what's your point?

My point is the earth has had periods of extreme cold and extreme heat for millions of years.

Originally Posted by Ozcol

My point is the earth has had periods of extreme cold and extreme heat for millions of years.

Sure, but nobody is disputing that.

The current issue is anthropomorphic warming.

Originally Posted by Ozcol

My point is the earth has had periods of extreme cold and extreme heat for millions of years.

It's good that you have such a grasp of the facts.

Originally Posted by Ozcol

Can any of you explain to me where all the ice went after the well documented Ice Age

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/gornitz_09/

120m sea level rise.

Notice the MWP arrows which stand for Melt Water Pulse that correspond with warming periods, like the one we are in right now...

^ Time to revisit Noah’s master plan.

Oh, someones got ya covered, whew.

Hurry, Hurry, Hurry…

https://arkencounter.com/support-the-ark/

Boarding Passes include admission to the Ark. Boarding passes are only available until the Ark opens in 2016.

Reserve you tickets now!

is that 'science' is not very good projecting things forward.

Madame curie wandering about with uranium in her hands. Not good.


Discovery of pennicillin 'the end of infections' !


Electricity from nuclear power.....free electric.


'Free health care'.


Need I go on?

^^That's just silly.

Just going to point out quickly that George Monbiot is a dick. He's an avid supporter of Paul Wolfowitz, singing his praises from the roof tops, so therefore, anything this tool says can be dismissed straight away. Unless you also think Paul Wolfowitz is a good trustworthy type of guy. Monbiot is a very clever Oxford type, and can easily make people look a bit daft. However, he is Tory from birth, with his parents high up in the regime, and full of Trotsky marxism in everything he says, thinks or does, hence being well regarded by marxist caMoron and Obama. He is basically the person the establishment in the UK wheel out to ridecule anyone who challenges the climate scam line not least because he personally has become very very rich from it already. Mind you, he went to Stowe School so he was not exactly short of a penny before.

There. I've said it. Toodle pip.

Originally Posted by S Landreth

Conspiracy theorists on the other-hand are or can be amusing. Pity we don’t have any good ones posting here.

We still don’t have any good ones here,…..

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Just going to point out quickly that George Monbiot is a dick. He's an avid supporter of Paul Wolfowitz, singing his praises from the roof tops, so therefore, anything this tool says can be dismissed straight away. Unless you also think Paul Wolfowitz is a good trustworthy type of guy. Monbiot is a very clever Oxford type, and can easily make people look a bit daft. However, he is Tory from birth, with his parents high up in the regime, and full of Trotsky marxism in everything he says, thinks or does, hence being well regarded by marxist caMoron and Obama. He is basically the person the establishment in the UK wheel out to ridecule anyone who challenges the climate scam line not least because he personally has become very very rich from it already. Mind you, he went to Stowe School so he was not exactly short of a penny before.

There. I've said it. Toodle pip.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

^^That's just silly.

Yup. Silly is an appropriate and lighthearted descriptive.


Question is... this thread has attracted a great deal of interest and many passionate responses. The fervor in the replies belies a great deal of motivated activists willing to voice their opinions. (some in a most Chicken Little "The Sky is Falling" manner)

How many of these motivated activists are in fact carrying their platform onto the next level by actively attempting to rectify the "situation".

Or, are they just sounding off on an anonymous internet webpage... for the sake of listening to their own learned voices... You know, similar to forcefully shouting into a hurricane wind?

Ah ha, the 'ole what-are-you-personally-doing-about-it gambit/straw man.

Well I drive a hybrid, does that count? Let's say it doesn't and I don't do anything else either: does that make the issue go away or any less relevant.

Because the way I see it is there's overwhelming scientific concensus that the issue is very real and effects us all on the one hand, and then on the other people who seem either wholly unwilling or unable to accept that fact.

And what are they doing other than burying their heads in the sand. I've also got this nagging feeling that when the shit hits the fan they'd be the first demanding someone do something to help them.

Well, when the shit hits the fan we will be covered.

After all, realize that our elected officials, the ones we have put in office to control our resources, direct our activities, manage our affairs and protect our life and liberty will do the right thing. That is their job and they take it to heart.

Well firstly it's elected officials that are partly to blame and secondly when the shits the fan it will be too late.

You can pass all the laws and regulations you like at that point but we will still be left with the one planet.

Originally Posted by bowie

How many of these motivated activists are in fact carrying their platform onto the next level by actively attempting to rectify the "situation".

Change starts from below, but real change comes from above.

Originally Posted by Ozcol

Can any of you explain to me where all the ice went after the well documented Ice Age

if you need to ask that question, then probably no