Thread: Any doubts about Climate Change?

Originally Posted by Umbuku

The cause of eustatic change 80,000 years ago is still not known.

Apparently at the time there were rally's in the street calling for a ban of Woolly Mammoths whose farts were causing the earth to heat up. That is why they died out; Ug Gore, the high priest of Ugggboogoo Land called for them to be killed and brought to him. His Ivory, mammoth meat and fur shops did great trade as a result but was purely coincidental.

Isn't it amazing though that when the GLOBAL WARMING lobby (it only got changed to climate change when the world stopped heating up) want evidence from the past about something useful to their con they can always find it, but when something would detract, they have no idea? Coincidence n'esc ce pas?

Indeed - so why are they so damned sure that the sea levels will rise still and this is because of man?

On the one side you have flawed science, and once the flaws in it were coming to a head, it began getting propagated by Rock Star Al Gore; Science wasn't working so lets make it cool and celebrity focused.

On the other you have flawed science who just point to the sun and say "it's the fricking sun, you morons, and all your evidence proves this".

As soon as Bono is involved in anything I start to smell a rat. He is a bog a scum bag as l Gore is.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Indeed - so why are they so damned sure that the sea levels will rise still and this is because of man?

Because the evidence indicates this is the case.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

flawed science

What flaws? Each new discovery of the past and present effects on climate (including the effects of the Sun) have been worked into the models and theories and none have led to a contradiction. I think you might mean refinements...

Its rather a shame that the global warming sceptic amounst us are unwilling to address the rebuttles of their claims, in preference to ignoring them and moving on to their next claim. Chaps this is what differentiates the tin foil heads and those who have fallen for the koch brothers self serving propaganda from the real truth seekers.

Originally Posted by Umbuku

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Indeed - so why are they so damned sure that the sea levels will rise still and this is because of man?

Because the evidence indicates this is the case.

No it doesn't. Evidence dictates that 80,000 years ago the water was considerably lower and has been rising ever since. That is the only factual evidence there is.

Oh and Hazz, I am not a Skeptic because that implies that truth lies on the climate change kabals side. It doesn't. It's a load of crap to promote fear around the world and to give the celebrity followers a nice little project to detract them from the real issues.

the only kabul i have seen any evidence for is the one where a group of rich people who's wealth depends upon the price of oil... are spending over 40 million per year on media spin to suggest theres nothing to worry about. And demonstrably cutting the funding of those that change their minds. a carbon copy of big tobacco's campaign against those saying that tobacco was harmful.... let me guess you fell for that one too.

is this not the very thing you accuse those who say global warming is real.... without backing up the claim with evidence?

Originally Posted by hazz

the only kabul i have seen any evidence for is the one where a group of rich people who's wealth depends upon the price of oil... are spending over 40 million per year on media spin to suggest theres nothing to worry about. And demonstrably cutting the funding of those that change their minds. a carbon copy of big tobacco's campaign against those saying that tobacco was harmful.... let me guess you fell for that one too.

is this not the very thing you accuse those who say global warming is real.... without backing up the claim with evidence?

I'll say again - 40m a year is peanuts compared to the amount of cash Gore and certain banks are making from trading carbon credits. They are making BILLIONS every year. Do you not see that the people hoisting this climate change bollocks on us all (and taxing us all as well) are trading these credits and all versions of it, and making billions = they are not telling you though in case you think for yourself "heh, this is all a big con".

Generation Investment Management. Set up in 2004. His movie advert hit the flicks two years later. Al Gore = Crook.

Global carbon market was worth $118 Billion in 2008. How much do you think it is worth now?
http://www.tradecarboncredits.org/20...s-trading.html
Trading Carbon Credits....and it's all made up. That is $118B coming directly from the peoples pockets into the fat fists of the banks and kunts like Gore.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

I'll say again - 40m a year is peanuts compared to the amount of cash Gore and certain banks are making from trading carbon credits

Ad Hominem arguments convince only the gullible.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by pseudolus

I'll say again - 40m a year is peanuts compared to the amount of cash Gore and certain banks are making from trading carbon credits

Ad Hominem arguments convince only the gullible.

Do you actually know what ad hominem means? I don't think so. Just like the use of "straw man" is a phrase bandied around this forum or some reason and always used inaccurately. Feel free to indicate how you personally understand ad hominem to apply here if you think it is valid. It is not, I can assure you.

However, at risk of being mislabelled again, Carbon Credit trading is a massive industry, making profits out of thin air, and is brand new as well. Is it truly amazing. Hardly any cost involved and there really is no end to the amount of money that can be manipulated from the system.

Profits out of thin air. Sound familiar Fed Fans?

Also, why is one of the young Rothschild's so in-bedded in this as well? I wonder

"David Mayer de Rothschild (born 25 August 1978) is a British adventurer, ecologist, and environmentalist[1] and head of Adventure Ecology, an expedition group raising awareness about climate change."

"Rothschild Australia and E3 International are set to become key players in the international carbon credit trading market, an emerging commodity market that analysts estimate could be worth up to US$150 billion by 2012."


Now, I can put this in a picture for you to understand how it relates to Australia. I can assure you the rest of the world is no different.


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It's a con. It's a scam. It's another FEDERAL RESERVE type of operation.

Here is your argument Pseudo:
Al Gore supports climate change science. Al Gore is a fraud who makes money from his climate change work. Therefore, climate change science is a fraud.

It's a fallacy based on a ad hominem argument.

And yes. I know what an ad hominem argument is. Have you ever taken a course in logic? I don't think so.

you are right 40 million is peanuts compered to what the likes of exon and the koch brothers will make if the price of oil goes up and as demand starts to get close to 100% of production the price of oil rockets and these people will make billions per year. So yes 40 million is peanuts compared to the billions they will make each year they can prevent public policy tackling global warming. Just as the tobacco industry made billions delaying public policy changes to tackle the harm their product did to their customers.

To back this up, various posters have posted information and evidence showing the links between these rich people who manipulation public policy for their own narrow benefit, and the various shills and astroturf 'grassroots' organisations that they fund and organise to carry out the work.

why not back up your claims with similar evidence? rather than just repeating the matra

Originally Posted by Humbert

Here is your argument Pseudo:
Al Gore supports climate change science. Al Gore is a fraud who makes money from his climate change work. Therefore, climate change science is a fraud.

It's a fallacy based on a ad hominem argument.

That's not my arguement if you care to track backwards into the thread. Al Gore's involvement is the proof beyond doubt that it is a con. However, it clearly started a long time before he diverted his attention from his other crooked deals.

It was developed thus;

"In 1991, the Club published The First Global Revolution.[5] According to this book, divided nations require common enemies to unite them, "either a real one or else one invented for the purpose."[6] Because of the sudden absence of traditional enemies, "new enemies must be identified."[6] "In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill....All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself."[7]"

Gore was and is a member of the Club of Rome.

They made it up. They admitted as much in a presentation. It is all fabricated and the information to back this up is all freely available; it's just not being published.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Al Gore's involvement is the proof beyond doubt that it is a con

An ad hominem fallacy. When did you study logic?

Originally Posted by hazz

why not back up your claims with similar evidence? rather than just repeating the matra

"Generation Investment Management LLC. Set up in 2004. His movie advert hit the flicks two years later. Al Gore = Crook."

Coincidence then.

$118b in 2008, in the middle of a recession, for carbon credit trading. I don't think the Kochs make that much profit. In fact combine the big play makers and they don't make that much profit.

All this dancing around "we must save the world". What is actually happening then? Cancer cities in China? Large firms polluting as much as they like because they buy credits from other firms who are not polluting. Nothing is happening. Nothing is changing. Change your light bulbs to the new twisters ones that have mercury in them (that in turn causes toxic swamps in the 3rd world countries that receive all this rubbish). Nothing is changing except the wealth of the trading houses. This includes the trading arms of the Koch Brothers firm which is heavily involved in profiting from RGGI carbon trading.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Al Gore's involvement is the proof beyond doubt that it is a con

An ad hominem fallacy. When did you study logic?

when did you?

Gore is the smoking gun. Gore is the spunk inside the rape victim and the skin under the finger nails. Gore is the pile of shit next to the cute looking puppy.

I know that the climate change groupies find this hard to believe, but the amount of money being made out of this by the banking cartels is, as usual, obscene. The people paying for it are us, the daft people who pay taxes. The impact on big firms is minimal, and they are making money through trading carbon credits anyway. The Club of Rome admitted they started it all as a ruse. Crook Gore is a member of said group.

Now, I realise that all the press and government (all owned by the banking cartels) are saying that I am on the same par as a holocaust denier for saying this, but they are crooks, and they are scamming you.

Want more proof? Enter the next crook.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by hazz

why not back up your claims with similar evidence? rather than just repeating the matra

"Generation Investment Management LLC. Set up in 2004. His movie advert hit the flicks two years later. Al Gore = Crook."

Coincidence then.

$118b in 2008, in the middle of a recession, for carbon credit trading. I don't think the Kochs make that much profit. In fact combine the big play makers and they don't make that much profit.

All this dancing around "we must save the world". What is actually happening then? Cancer cities in China? Large firms polluting as much as they like because they buy credits from other firms who are not polluting. Nothing is happening. Nothing is changing. Change your light bulbs to the new twisters ones that have mercury in them (that in turn causes toxic swamps in the 3rd world countries that receive all this rubbish). Nothing is changing except the wealth of the trading houses. This includes the trading arms of the Koch Brothers firm which is heavily involved in profiting from RGGI carbon trading.

So no, you cannot provide any evidence, just empty rhetoric, of a finical link between those you say are making billions out of carbon credits and those who say that global warming is real.

Unlike the real, proven links between big oil and global warming sceptics. We even have evidence of the sceptics that the koch brothers financed to create a climate model free of all the sceptics criticisms of the previous models. when they got an answer the koch brothers didn't like.... puff went their funding.

Originally Posted by hazz

you are right 40 million is peanuts compered to what the likes of exon and the koch brothers will make if the price of oil goes up and as demand starts to get close to 100% of production the price of oil rockets and these people will make billions per year. So yes 40 million is peanuts compared to the billions they will make each year they can prevent public policy tackling global warming. Just as the tobacco industry made billions delaying public policy changes to tackle the harm their product did to their customers.

To back this up, various posters have posted information and evidence showing the links between these rich people who manipulation public policy for their own narrow benefit, and the various shills and astroturf 'grassroots' organisations that they fund and organise to carry out the work.

why not back up your claims with similar evidence? rather than just repeating the matra

Forget it. Ignorance is bliss, let them enjoy it. Maybe do what you can for yourself, like getting rid of a car to put a stop to Exxon having their hands in your pockets. I traded my last 12 cylinder BMW for a scooter that uses 2 gallons of gas per month. Couldn't care less anymore what gas costs, it's mere per milles from the budget.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Heh...use all the logic in the real world

Of course you are aware that logic precludes the use of ad hominem arguments right?

^ He's at it again. I wonder if there is a page on billionairealgore.com entitled "how to make yourself look smart on a web forum when other people dare to not believe our rhetoric - 32. Use latin phrases as a win all in the hope that they will assume you are more intelligent than them".

Of course, the problem is that from all these pop concerts, movies, celebrities talking about it, what is actually changing then? This has been going on for 20 years now, and nothing changes. Smog everywhere; increasing by the week. A million new cars in China each year, none of which comply to Euro emissions stringent tests. All the countries that are polluting big time (incidentally the same countries when western countries are shipping their dirty industries to) are not included, and those in the US and Europe buy carbon credits and carry on regardless.

You have hypocrites like Gore and Bono and the naffing queen telling us to not take hot baths, and change our light bulbs whilst at the same time flying around in their private jets and helicopters to their palaces where they are drivena round in their 5Ltr monster range rovers.

It's all a con.

How stupid do you actually have to be to not see through it. Of course the climate is changing. It has for all eternity. No one is disputing that.

You seem to completely dismiss and refuse to acknowledge that trading houses / banks (of which Gore owns one) are making a massive amount of money from this. If there really was a problem, they would simply tell the firms to stop it. But no, they instead allow it all to continue and for them to profit from it.

@Hazz - 3rd time now. If you will not believing the words I write, how about Gore financials. Left the Whitehosue with 1.6m, now worth 300m and rising.

"He is also the chairman of Generation Investment Management which has $7 billion in assets." - Chairman and co-founder.

Al Gore Net Worth | Celebrity Net Worth

Al Gore now richer than Mitt Romney- MSN Money

The rest of the team at his firm are Goldman Sachs....funny that...

Ah. So genomics is all bollocks because Monsanto make money out of GM crops. I see. That's a shame. And theories of computation turn out to be shit because Silicon Valley is stuffed full of bazillionaires. Oh dear. And the Newtonian physics which describes ballistics is crap too because bastard arms manufacturers use it to make money.

To think that theories of anthropogenic climate change rise and fall (presumably inversely - if his business goes bankrupt does this establish climate change as real?) with Al Gore's bank balance is absurd. Really. Other than showing that denialists simply can't engage in the simplest of reasoning, this nonsense shows nothing.

^ Your argument does not make sense at all. All of the things you mention result from invention and an actual product. Now if you remove yourself from the mainstream pop celebrity culture propaganda for a minute, just think to yourself what is the only real tangible outcome from the climate change lobby? Carbon Credits which are traded and make billions.

I know this is hard for you to grasp; that a group of bankers would manipulate the people so much to make more money from them (although a rudimentary understanding of how the PRIVATE BANK the Fed works and steal money from the US should enlighten you). But this is what they have done.

Blimey, I even posted the WIKI link showing who and where the scam was created. Club of Rome, 1991, needed a threat to replace the cold war. Came up with Global warming. It is all there for you - openly available.

Aside from crook Gore and Bono being involved (tantamount to seeing a fox in a chicken coup, mouth covered in blood and feathers, and a dead chicken at it's feet), what has changed? Who is actually doing anything? What impacts has Kyoto actually made aside from vast vast profits for the banks and traders of carbon credits?

Sixteen Concerned Scientists: No Need to Panic About Global Warming - WSJ.com

Let's see some proof of what if changing. It's been 20 years now, and nothing is happening because there is no desire for change from th worlds politicians.... because they made it all up.

When there are holes in a sinking boat, we plug it. When the earth is in peril, we tax the people!

what if there were no holes though, and only a few painted on, and publicised to be holes?