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    Is it fair to question mystical beliefs of politicians?

    With religious extremism a leading force in american politics is 'asking hard questions' about a candidates 'religiosity' fair game.



    If a candidate has stated that a certain document is THE center point of their candidacy is it fair to question that document?
    & if that document blatantly ignores facts / all tenants of modern science is it acceptable to label that candidate a fruitcake?

    if a candidate that espouses that these same outrageous mystical beliefs are the basis of his/her national political platform & global policy, should they be held accountable for the document that is the base of their political / governmental goals.
    • this is not questioning a persons religious beliefs, it is questioning the basis of governmental policy.
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    as long as there are tests, there will be prayers in public schools.

    US political pondering: what % of CO2 deniers are also birthers who believe kangaroos walked to the ark

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    Any leader who claims religion as one of his guidelines for decisions and outlook on life - is certifiable mad. So no they are really not responsible but on the other hand ready for a prolonged involuntary stay in a closed mental institution.


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    Quote Originally Posted by larvidchr View Post
    Any leader who claims religion as one of his guidelines for decisions and outlook on life - is certifiable mad. So no they are really not responsible but on the other hand ready for a prolonged involuntary stay in a closed mental institution.

    my question is:
    is it fair to openly question the document to which they base their political agenda.

    it is not polite to question religious beliefs .. but when national policy is based on religious beliefs, is it appropriate to question the basis of those religious beliefs.

    Michelle bachmann at one point attributed her decisions to the will of her husband (biblical submission to the man).. when she the presidential candidate was questioned about this others of her religion booed the questioner.

    can religious radicals espousing a radical political agendas based on religious beliefs hide behind the common courtesy of not questioning ones religion.

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    It certainly is when that candidate openly touts his or her religious beliefs.
    Bit strange really that two of the most 'moderate' GOP candidates are actually Mormon, being Huntsman & Romney. It will probably count against them with the Palin/ Bachmann crowd & their talking in tongues type followers.
    I find Christianity in the US really weird actually- like a cult.

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    it's fair to ask any question you want of your representatives .

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    It certainly is when that candidate openly touts his or her religious beliefs.
    Bit strange really that two of the most 'moderate' GOP candidates are actually Mormon, being Huntsman & Romney. It will probably count against them with the Palin/ Bachmann crowd & their talking in tongues type followers.
    I find Christianity in the US really weird actually- like a cult.
    re speaking in tongues.


    is speaking in tongues common outside Appalachia.

    my neighbors grand dad was a sharecropper pentecostal minister that cured the sick via prayer, spoke in tongues, diddled his grand daughter & beat my neighbor for refusing to eat green beans (he still will not eat green beans)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mid View Post
    it's fair to ask any question you want of your representatives .
    fair vs tolerated.

    it would seem that if a candidate brings up mystical beliefs it would be fair .. but I do not believe it would not be tolerated to confront a person over policy based on extreme religiosity in the US

    the bachmann biblical submission question was reported on several news casts but was not critiqued by the pundits (that i saw) in a favorable fashion
    I've seen mike hukabee addresse the submission question, saying it is the woman's role to submit to the male's desires & wishes
    which I am all in favor of, I might add!

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    when the Sikh bodyguard killed Indira Gandi
    word spread fast and for a bunch of Sikhs travelling on a train
    it was bad news.
    Hindus freaked and cut off a whole bunch of heads and threw them out the window.
    Trust is the key word and with religious nutters it would not apply.
    Who can YOU trust ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by foreigner
    can religious radicals espousing a radical political agendas based on religious beliefs hide behind the common courtesy of not questioning ones religion
    Yes.


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    If I ever planned to work on the Sabbath I would not want a Christian running the country, lest I be put to death. I certainly wouldn't want to have to burn my mother to death for wearing garments made from two different threads, or to stone any farmer who planted different crops side by side to death. There are, I am sure, those who would consider it alright for people to sell their youngest daughter into slavery and that homosexuality is an abomination so I guess Christianity has its good points, if that is your viewpoint.

    Do they still make footballs out of the skin of a dead pig? If so that makes any footballer who touches one unclean, but then we knew that about those dirty sods anyway.

    The last person I would want to have making very real decisions about my finances is one who claims to hear voices from God.
    I see fish. They are everywhere. They don't know they are fish.

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    Tea Partiers Care More About Godlier Government Than Smaller Government -- Daily Intel
    the strongest predictor of being a Tea Party supporter today was a desire, back in 2006, to see religion play a prominent role in politics. And Tea Partiers continue to hold these views: they seek “deeply religious” elected officials, approve of religious leaders’ engaging in politics and want religion brought into political debates. The Tea Party’s generals may say their overriding concern is a smaller government, but not their rank and file, who are more concerned about putting God in government.

    several if not most of the teavangelist's favored candidates have reported receiving instructions from gawd about running or policy.

    will including biblical beliefs in political speeches / debates allow to questions about the mystical beliefs the biblical positions are based upon? .. no f'n way

    do the 'mullahs' communicate directly with gawd as teavalvelists speak directly to gawd?

    you speaking to gawd is prayer .. gawd speaking to you is schizophrenia.

    Rick "I'll Have God Fix All of Our Problems" Perry and Michele "I'll Have God Pick My Campaign Staff" Bachmann combined captured 60 percent of the tea party movement's support in the latest GOP primary poll.


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    Quote Originally Posted by foreigner View Post

    it is not polite to question religious beliefs ..


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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyFree View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by foreigner View Post

    it is not polite to question religious beliefs ..

    it's not socially acceptable & until recently religious belief was a private matter

    a questions about bachmann previous reference to her 'biblical submission' to the wishes of husband was broadly booed at the press conference & received little positive coverage from the pundits.

    .. the teavangelicals are demanding that all in america accept their mystical hysteria without question:
    these unquestionable truths are the proposed leading tenants of 21st century global policy in america.
    1. kangaroos got on the mesopotamian ark
    2. moses lived to 800
    3. jonah lived in whale
    4. adam lubed apples tu mutt.
    5. the earth is 6000 years old & the grand canyon was formed in 40 days by noah's flood.

    in the south the loaves & fishes tale is 'the fried catfish & hush puppies' tale.

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    St. Paul's 2,000-year-old teachings about marriage set down in Ephesians, chapter 5, verses 21-33: "Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. ... Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything."
    Bachmann cites it as her personal polestar. During her first race for Congress in 2006, it was her justification for going along with her husband's desire that she study tax law, even though she hated the idea.
    "Why should I go and do something like that?" Bachmann told a campaign audience at a Christian outreach center at the time. "But the Lord says: Be submissive, wives. You are to be submissive to your husbands."

    The Minnesota congresswoman and victor in last week's Iowa straw poll recently tackled questions about how the biblical teachings on the subservience of wives, which guide her family life, square with the aspirations of being an ambitious woman in the rough world of presidential politics.
    In an Oval Office moment of crisis, for instance, what would she do if her husband's advice were different than what her experts were counseling?

    As 'submissive' wife, Bachmann delicately treads Bible, modernity | McClatchy


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    Amerka, on that basis you would have absolutely nothing to worry about if she were my wife. Perhaps we should blame the husband then. He does stay distinctly low key- I mean where do they keep him?

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