Pathetic...

**Boon Mee** · 12-12-2006, 12:27 AM

You've gotta be pretty foking pathetic if a tree with shiny bulbs & twinkling lights offends you.

"All Holiday trees at Sea-Tac Airport were removed this morning after several community member complaints. They say the trees don’t represent all cultures and religions...The trees will not go up again...the airport policy on decorations will be reviewed after the holidays."

Note to several community members:
NOTHING represents NO culture...

**stroller** · 12-12-2006, 12:38 AM

The US is a secular nation, in contrast to, say, Iran, isn't it?

Muslims praying in airports you regard as offensive, but everyone is supposed to join the Christian seasonal lovefest?

Apply some common sense here.

**Boon Mee** · 12-12-2006, 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by stroller

The US is a secular nation, in contrast to, say, Iran, isn't it?

Muslims praying in airports you regard as offensive, but everyone is supposed to join the Christian seasonal lovefest?

Apply some common sense here.

Stumbling over some prostrated Mooslims caterwailing to Allah ain't the same as an innocous Christmas Tree.
How many Christmas Trees you seen hijack airplanes, eh?

**friscofrankie** · 12-12-2006, 01:01 AM

I dont mind Muslims praying in an airport I don;t even m,ind christians praying there. But a fuckin christmas tree?? That's just going to far. The States is turing into a vanilla flavor, shrink wrapped safety zone with no taste, no soul. The country should be a rich tapestry woven the ethnic and cultural diversity that makes it up. Sad really. Some thing I always found lacking in the US. Found in pockets here and there, but it seems to be getting harder and harder to find.

**stroller** · 12-12-2006, 01:15 AM

Stumbling over some prostrated Mooslims caterwailing to Allah ain't the same as an innocous Christmas Tree.

Not everyone shares your slanted Muslim-hating views.

**Fabian** · 12-12-2006, 01:37 AM

I am no christian at all but I really like that they finally put up some christmas decoration now. I think it's much less then the years before though.

**meepho** · 12-12-2006, 01:48 AM

common sense gone for ever,

in the uk, councils have stopped trees and lights for fear of upsetting our muslim friends and the muslims are pissed of with the councils for making thier mind up for them and in deed many muslims say they enjoy the festive season.

fuc+ing pc nutters that can not help but make trouble

**stroller** · 12-12-2006, 01:52 AM

Any source for this?

**Little Chuchok** · 12-12-2006, 02:11 AM

Didn't British Airways sack a bird for wearing a cross?

**RDN** · 12-12-2006, 02:33 AM

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

You've gotta be pretty foking pathetic if a tree with shiny bulbs & twinkling lights offends you...

Let the rabbi put up his menorah and put back the Christmas trees. Simple. The airport director is a pathetic little shit.

**friscofrankie** · 12-12-2006, 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

Didn't British Airways sack a bird for wearing a cross?

Note quite...

British Airways backed down over its ban on workers wearing the cross after a hurricane of criticism.

Airline chief Willie Walsh ordered a rethink of the rule that barred check-in worker Nadia Eweida from wearing a tiny cross at work.

Remainder of the article is here:
TBA backs down over cross ban after storm of criticism | the Daily Mail

**man with no head** · 12-12-2006, 04:04 AM

I don't care to see a menorah or a cross or a manger in a public airport. The rabbi's inherent right to practice Judaism isn't being threated if a menorah isn't put out for public display at SeaTac.

A decorated tree, however, isn't exactly representative of any religion. It's not like it were a cross or manger scene.

**Propagator** · 12-12-2006, 04:09 AM

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

Didn't British Airways sack a bird for wearing a cross?

**keda** · 12-12-2006, 07:24 AM

Put it all up, and hold the gripers to public ridicule.

Seems the more people get pissed off with the pc fundamentalists, the further they go.

**Sir Burr** · 12-12-2006, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by keda

Put it all up, and hold the gripers to public ridicule.

Excellent idea!

**Sir Burr** · 12-12-2006, 08:42 AM

With regard to the Christmas tree, it shows that we are being far too tolerant of intolerance.

**Butterfly** · 12-12-2006, 09:33 AM

It's not surprising, by polarizing communities and demonizing religion like Islam, we are forcing communities to react and act silly. We are getting rewarded for our silly "war on terror"

At the end, everybody loses. Of course some lose more than others. Looks like we are the ones with more to lose.

**Sir Burr** · 12-12-2006, 10:08 AM

We do not polarize communities. They choose where they want to live. They have the choice to integrate, or, not.
The Afro-Carribean immigrants that arrived in Britain during the 50's and 60's chose to integrate, as did the Jews, Chinese and many other nationalities.
The predominantly muslim Pakistanis and Bangladeshis have chosen not to.
What was so shocking about the London Underground bombs, was that they were the work of British nationals.
There is a general feeling among the British populace that these communities who have come to Britain for a better life, and generally have found it, are ungrateful for the opportunities and life-style made possible by the host country.
Not only do they seem ungrateful, but, now they are demanding that we must change our behavior and modify our culture so as not to cause perceived slights.
I'm all for immigration, it has always in the end been beneficial for the destination country, but, I feel that an immigrant has a certain duty to understand and respect the culture of the country he decides to live in....rather like all those posters harping on about making the effort to understand the Thai culture if you want to live here in Thailand.

**Little Chuchok** · 12-12-2006, 10:52 AM

^Oh so true....

**Little Chuchok** · 12-12-2006, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by stroller

Any source for this?

Rabbi forces airport to take down Christmas tree
2.20pm Tuesday December 12, 2006

SEATTLE - A local rabbi is receiving hate mail and angry phone calls after Seattle airport officials took down its Christmas trees in response to his request to include a giant Menorah in the airport's holiday decorations, his lawyer said on Monday.
Seattle-Tacoma International Airport removed its Christmas trees on Saturday after Rabbi Elazar Bogomilsky threatened to sue the Port of Seattle, which operates the airport, if it did not include a menorah into its holiday decorations.
The rabbi works on behalf of Chabad-Lubavitch, a branch of Hasidic Judaism and an Orthodox Jewish movement.
The removal of the trees sparked a public outcry over what some say was political correctness run amok and part of a trend to adopt a secular tone toward Christmas.
Harvey Grad, the rabbi's attorney, said it was never Bogomilsky's intention to have the trees removed and the rabbi was "saddened" by the port's decision to remove all holiday decorations instead of including the Menorah for Hanukkah.
"We are not part of the war on Christmas," said Grad. "All we asked for was inclusion and now we're getting hate mail and angry messages."
The Chabad of Greater Seattle asked the airport to put the trees back and will not pursue any legal action even if the airport does not include the menorah into this year's holiday decorations.
In a statement, the Port of Seattle said it removed the trees to avoid litigation with a religious group, which wanted to install the menorah and hold a lighting ceremony.
"The airport is not a traditional public forum and it would not be appropriate for such a ceremony, so we made the decision to remove the trees to allow the airport staff to focus on the busy travel season," the Port said on its website.
- REUTERS

**stroller** · 12-12-2006, 11:09 AM

Note that the article is about an incident in the US, a rabbi sueing for the right to put up a menorah. That's got little to do with Islam, Afro-Caribeans or immigrants, Sir Burr.

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

They choose where they want to live.

Excuse me, but citizens born in the country do not choose, they simply stay where they are, as the majority of people do.

Neither the US nor the UK are religious republics, what's good for the goose is good for the gander, there is no reason why one religion should be allowed to flaunt their celebrations in public places, and others not.

**stroller** · 12-12-2006, 11:13 AM

Lil' Chuch, my question for a source was pointed at Meepho's comment:

in the uk, councils have stopped trees and lights for fear of upsetting our muslim friends...

**Little Chuchok** · 12-12-2006, 11:17 AM

I dearsay that Christmas has ceased to be anything but religious for 90% of the people that celebrate it.It's more a way of life...a bit like going to the pub for a couple of drinks on a Friday night(A very religious experience in my book!)

**Mr Earl** · 12-12-2006, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by stroller

Note that the article is about an incident in the US, a rabbi sueing for the right to put up a menorah. That's got little to do with Islam, Afro-Caribeans or immigrants, Sir Burr.

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

They choose where they want to live.

Excuse me, but citizens born in the country do not choose, they simply stay where they are, as the majority of people do.

Neither the US nor the UK are religious republics, what's good for the goose is good for the gander, there is no reason why one religion should be allowed to flaunt their celebrations in public places, and others not.

The article says the Rabbi has no intention of suing. (I know english isn't your first language so perhaps this is an honest mistake

)
And what was the purpose of baiting this thread with the "Iran" comment?(see post #2)
Never mind I know the answer from post #5!

I might be wrong but it seems slightly inappropriate for any member and especially a moderator to be baiting and then throwing insults.

**ChiangMai noon** · 12-12-2006, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by stroller

Neither the US nor the UK are religious republics, what's good for the goose is good for the gander, there is no reason why one religion should be allowed to flaunt their celebrations in public places, and others not.

with that post, are you advocating the banning of christmas celebrations stroller?

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