Thread: Views of the Tea Party?

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

What exactly is crazy about: 1. a balanced budget? 2. smaller government? 3. social responsibility? 4. liberty? 5. free enterprise? 6. lower taxation? 7. family autonomy? 8. community autonomy? 9. woman's rights? 10. better education?

Name me a party that hasn't promised that before an election? And still not delivered? The tea party remind me of kids in grade one trying to run for prom queen.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

you are being way too polite to describe what in reality is a bunch of "delusional lunatics"

Originally Posted by misskit

Could we have examples of living intelligent and eloquent tea party members?

Originally Posted by S Landreth

They are fuckin’ crazy.

Any members of the Tea Party that are more obviously 'delusional' or 'crazy'?

I know this seems like a really weird line of questioning & I'm really grateful for all answers so far. There is a reason behind this interest, I just don't want to 'lead' any answers.

Still no one has said why balancing the budget and limiting the power of government is crazy?

Seems to me that it's crazy to borrow/print trillions and trillions of dollars creating long term debt problems for short term political expediency.

What is crazy about demanding that your government maintain a framework of fiscal responsibility?

Originally Posted by November Rain

There is a reason behind this interest, I just don't want to 'lead' any answers.

If ya know anyone who says they are a card carrying member, run! don’t walk away from them.

Originally Posted by November Rain

^ I don't. My next door neighbour got into an internet 'romance' with a woman who says she is their next presidential candidate. Leah summat or other. Is Lax Muller right? She's convincing him of all sorts of crap. *Crap is my opinion. I'm sure there are lunatics on this earth that would think it's reasonable*.
He's going to up sticks & move to the US to be her speech advisor on their road trip around the US. I wish I was joking, but I'm not.
I just wanted to know how seriously these people are taken in the US

What a bunch of utter nonsense, NR seems like you've really lost the plot. WTF?

^ that's some sick twisted shit

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

What a bunch of utter nonsense, NR seems like you've really lost the plot. WTF?

Which part is stretching your credulity, Mr E? I don't lie. I may have made mistakes about being too forthright on here, but I have never lied. This 'woman' is claiming to be who she is. I think every word out of her mouth is utter crap, but I don't know. That's what I'm trying to find out.

As far as I know, the Tea Party is supposed to be grass roots politics as an alternative to the mainstream rot. Problem is they are secretly funded by big money anyway.

I thought Sarah Palin was supposed to be an example.

Originally Posted by pickel

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

What exactly is crazy about: 1. a balanced budget? 2. smaller government? 3. social responsibility? 4. liberty? 5. free enterprise? 6. lower taxation? 7. family autonomy? 8. community autonomy? 9. woman's rights? 10. better education?

Name me a party that hasn't promised that before an election? And still not delivered? The tea party remind me of kids in grade one trying to run for prom queen.

Exactly...the mainstream parties always promise these things but never deliver. That's why the Tea party came to exist. Like any political movement there will be a few "loons" attaching themselves (and usually getting most of the attention) but the vast majority of Tea party members seem to be very normal people who do not hold extreme views at all, but they are worried about the continued failure of the main parties to make any real changes in the way government operates...or in the current situation, fails to operate.

They scare the shit out of the liberal left, so naturally they will be demonized at every opportunity by the left politicians and their media cheerleaders.

Its hard to assess just how much of an impact they will have in the longer term but they can't be discounted. The original Tea Party was not taken too seriously by the British at first.....whoops...just look what happened...

Originally Posted by Sir Wilson

Problem is they are secretly funded by big money anyway.

Exactly- they are Shills. Every single one of their substantive positions is as fed to them and funded by the right wing big business lobby groups that fund them (in particular the Kochtopus), eg climate change denial, slashing taxes on the rich & corporations, starving government of funding, neutering corporate legislation, and slashing social welfare funding. Shills, plain and simple. Adding a healthy dose of "God, Guns n the 'lectric chair" doesn't change that.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Still no one has said why balancing the budget and limiting the power of government is crazy?

Seems to me that it's crazy to borrow/print trillions and trillions of dollars creating long term debt problems for short term political expediency.

What is crazy about demanding that your government maintain a framework of fiscal responsibility?

They always frame their agenda in patriotic, practical, common sense terms but their real agenda is to eviscerate Social Security, Medicare and educational spending. They won't be around long, though, they will implode during the 2012 election as they push the Republican party into extremism and lose the general election to Obama.

Wealthy people can be excused for supporting the tea party. They don't want to be taxed more than they are now. They can pay their own medical costs and retirement costs.

What is hardly understandable is the average person, who makes roughly $30,000 a year, supporting the tea party. These are the people who will collect social security and medicare, if they are not already. They are the people who do or will need the most help from the government in the future. Why on earth are they wanting the government to cut back on social welfare services? And why would they not want the wealthy taxed more rather than cut back on social services?

Originally Posted by misskit

What is hardly understandable is the average person, who makes roughly $30,000 a year, supporting the tea party.

They've swallowed the Big Lie. You'll see it on these pages- they are vociferously opposed to Health care reform for example, because deadbeats (usually colored deadbeats) will leech off the system- but somehow it has escaped their attention that the deadbeats are already milking the system, via Medicaid. It's just that te US taxpayer is paying over double as much for this as they should be. And then there that old howler about II's being covered, which is errant nonsense. And of course those Death panels.

Originally Posted by sabang

They've swallowed the Big Lie.

Looks more like a brain wash.

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by misskit

What is hardly understandable is the average person, who makes roughly $30,000 a year, supporting the tea party.

They've swallowed the Big Lie. You'll see it on these pages- they are vociferously opposed to Health care reform for example, because deadbeats (usually colored deadbeats) will leech off the system- but somehow it has escaped their attention that the deadbeats are already milking the system, via Medicaid. It's just that te US taxpayer is paying over double as much for this as they should be. And then there that old howler about II's being covered, which is errant nonsense. And of course those Death panels.

I doubt if the average Tea Party active supporter is anything like a $30K a year person. Many of them are small business owners/operators or have higher than average paying jobs. They don't mind paying taxes, but they do mind that their taxes are squandered on a thousand and one wasteful programs...and that their successive governments have driven their country into a massive debt hole...trying to keep every freeloader and loser in the country afloat....while at the same time trying to turn Iraq and Afghanistan into democratic states...

The US government would have all the money they need, if they would just stop pissing it away. Every truck driver and shoe salesman in the US knows that...how come the suits in Washington don't. WTF have they been teaching at Harvard?

If being funded by "right wing" business makes them Shills.....then what are Democrats, who are funded by big unions...with Obama being the biggest Shill of all . He was funded by both Wall St and big unions so he has to cater to both. No wonder he can't stop throwing money around, and can't take decisive action on anything.. ..oh dear is that "racist"?

in brief....

the tea party is an astro-turf political movement started by billionaires like the koch brothers. the tea partiers themselves are little more than rubes who have been convinced that obama is socialist/marxist/communist/kenyan/muslim that is out to destroy america.

btw, you might notice that the 'tea party' didn't have much of a problem with how the debt ceiling was raised 7 times during the bush administration.
and what about when the bush administration bailed out wall st to the tune of a $700 billion blank check?
they also didn't seem to have concerns about govt. encroachment when bush signed the invasive 'patriot act'.
they weren't worried about the budget when bush started two wars without having the funding to do so. and speaking of which, they didn't make a peep when bush signed that prescription drug bill without paying for it either.

it's all theater being directed by billionaires...and the tea party types don't even realize they're puppets.

Originally Posted by raycarey

it's all theater being directed by billionaires...and the tea party types don't even realize they're puppets.

it's more likely that they are just angry Right Wing Authoritarians looking for a cause after their conservative loons party has been beaten up for the election

Originally Posted by sabang

They've swallowed the Big Lie. You'll see it on these pages- they are vociferously opposed to Health care reform for example, because deadbeats (usually colored deadbeats) will leech off the system- but somehow it has escaped their attention that the deadbeats are already milking the system, via Medicaid. It's just that te US taxpayer is paying over double as much for this as they should be. And then there that old howler about II's being covered, which is errant nonsense. And of course those Death panels.

The social reforms can't be paid for by borrowing trillions more dollars from the federal reserve.

The big lie is the failure to disclose that it is the federal reserve itself who owns the lions share of the US debt. The big lie is the failure to disclose who in reality owns the federal reserve. The big lie is how the US federal government didn't sell out the monetary system to a private enterprise and disclosed the true nature of the fraud.
The big lie is how by borrowing money from the federal reserve the USA entered into WW1, and other subsequent foreign military adventures.
The big lie is that federal reserve isn't really owned by some of the wealthiest individuals on the planet. They are the ones pulling the strings and profiting from giant military expenditures and the interest on the debt.
The big lie is that it hasn't been going on for nearly 100 years already.

Yep we've been swallowing big lies for a very long time when it comes to the federal government.
Is it really that crazy to say enough is enough?
This is pretty much the tea party message here.

Originally Posted by Mr Earl

Yep we've been swallowing big lies for a very long time when it comes to the federal government. Is it really that crazy to say enough is enough? This is pretty much the tea party message here.

There is plenty of reason to be angry with the federal government.


The Tea Party's anger is directed at the wrong people. Why be angry at this Obama as though he is the antichrist? He did nothing to start the state of affairs we have now. Obama didn't start the wars we have now and it is easier to get into a war than out.

Why get behind big business and the wealthy and press to raise no taxes for them when they caused this boondoggle in the first place?

People scream unions caused the unemployment now, but face it, the unions have been broken down for years. The ones left have take plenty of cuts in pay for members.

The wealthy and big business are the ones who have sent American jobs overseas just to line their pockets.

The middle class is dying and Politicians (tea baggers) fool many of their simpler minded fellow Americans into voting outside of their own best interests. When Politicians can trick poor people into thinking that universal health care is bad for them and tax cuts for the rich are good for them than you can see how fucked up America has become.

It is the people who vote out of their own best interests that give the teabaggers life.

Is it not amazing how liberals always seem to think that anyone who disagrees with them is "crazy" or "simple minded".....while they continue to think and believe that it's the governments job to take care of everybody and pay for everything, regardless of cost or where the money comes from.

Part of the problem that the US has is that both of it's political parties are fucked up and have in their own ways contributed to the current situation. Obama and his followers continue to blame the Bush adminstration for everything that's wrong and there is no doubt that it was a big contributer, but his adminstration has made a bad situation worse. The posturing and game playing by both sides is what frustrates most people, and that's why the Tea Party gets the attention it does.

On one hand you have this massive social welfare, entitlement expense which is sacred to one side and can not be cut, and on the other you have this massive "defence" expense which is sacred to the other side, and can not be cut. The arguments from both sides are quite ridiculous at times. One side thinks that if they cut entitlement spending by 10% people are going to be dying in doorways and on the other side if defence spending is cut, terrorist armies are going to be storning the beaches on long island.

Sooner or later they are going to have to cut both. That's what happens when you really do run out of money....regardless of what you think your entitlements are.

Originally Posted by koman

On one hand you have this massive social welfare, entitlement expense which is sacred to one side and can not be cut

The only thing sacred in the current deadlock is the Republican insistance that increasing revenue cannot be part of the equation. They are dug in on that single issue because the Tea Party caucus is intransigent. Boehner cannot get them to agree to any comprimise. What will happen, at the eleventh hour, is a straight up vote to increase the debt ceiling without any debt reduction. So any debt reduction will have to wait until after the election.

Originally Posted by koman

Sooner or later they are going to have to cut both. That's what happens when you really do run out of money....regardless of what you think your entitlements are.

Nonsense. Increasing tax revenue to Clinton era levels will solve the current deficit crisis. Period. Further clipping the defense budget will do it even faster. It is amazing how conservatives always feel the need to bleed the underclass by cutting "entitlements".