Thread: Rethinking the state of Israel

The Jews leave the Wailing Wall to live in a relocated Israel?
Yeah, right.

Move them ALL out if they can't live together. Drop a nuke or three so that nobody can reinhabit that stupid piece of land for the rest of time.

Problem solved.

Originally Posted by surasak

In fact the peak percentage of Jews/non-Jews occurred around 1970 when Jews comprised about 71% of the entire population. Now the percentage is about 53%. That is why Israel commits the atrocities that it does.

This is what the Israelis politicians refer to you the "Demographic Problem."


It will continue and get worse now, and in the future.

And that's precisely why non-Jews cannot by definition be allowed to compete fairly in Israel and the reason behind the draconian apartheid laws.

To be a member of the Knesset and subsequently the PM (since the PM must be a member of the Knesset) all members must support the Jewish nature of Israel. Therefore how could a non-Jew ever be PM (even if non-Jews end up comprising 90% of the overall population as they will in the next few decades since the Jewish immigration is all but done now). Affluent societies don't reproduce as much as poor ones, so, the numbers will soon be overwhelmingly non-Jewish in Israel.

This means in order for the Israeli government (and the U.S.) to keep Israel a Jewish state more atrocities will have to be committed.

Something new : Israel plans strike on Iranian nuclear plant - Revealed: Israel plans strike on Iranian nuclear plant - Sunday Times - Times Online

Lets see what will happen.

Originally Posted by Wallalai

Something new : Israel plans strike on Iranian nuclear plant - Revealed: Israel plans strike on Iranian nuclear plant - Sunday Times - Times Online

Lets see what will happen.

I hope you aren't too surprised!

The hand writing was on the wall when the Iranian invaded the US embassy.

It is just a matter of time. The Iranians who think they have a strong hand over the west because of their oil are delusional.

The U.S. also supported a tyrannical and brutal regime in Iran from 1953-1979 (which directly led to the revolution and subsequent hostage taking). What do you have to say about that?

There has been constant fighting in the area that is now Israel for 7000 years, someone mostly killing or enslaving Jews, Hell even the Romans had a hand in it.
Some folks on here say to move the Jews to another place and you will have peace in the region, Bullshit,, Hezbollah is fighting with the Lebanon govt.with Syria backing, Fatah and Hamas fighting each other, Shiite and Sunni killing each other and Iran wanting to get a piece of the action in Iraq, complete takeover if possible.
The repartitioning of what was known as Palestine [there never has truly been a Palestine] by the Brits in 48 was a sham with all Brit infrastructure and arms left to the Arabs, 5 Mil. against 200K Jews and they lost that battle because the Arabs never brought in the troops that they promised and none of the other Arabs would fight, just run away, They wanted no part in living next to Jews and have been trying ever since to run them into the sea.
The Jews are bound together while the Arab neighbors are always busy killing each other and never have had a united front again the Jews and never will have. It is not Arab against Jew, it is Jew, Shiite, Sunni and any others against everyone else.
Plus I liked it there when the liberal Shaw was running things and the religious Fanatics could not stand it, so the revolution, Just like the Tali ban couldn't stand the liberals.

Originally Posted by surasak

And that's precisely why non-Jews cannot by definition be allowed to compete fairly in Israel and the reason behind the draconian apartheid laws.

To be a member of the Knesset and subsequently the PM (since the PM must be a member of the Knesset) all members must support the Jewish nature of Israel. Therefore how could a non-Jew ever be PM (even if non-Jews end up comprising 90% of the overall population as they will in the next few decades since the Jewish immigration is all but done now). Affluent societies don't reproduce as much as poor ones, so, the numbers will soon be overwhelmingly non-Jewish in Israel.

This means in order for the Israeli government (and the U.S.) to keep Israel a Jewish state more atrocities will have to be committed.

i'm not sure i'm reading this correctly....is it your opinion that israel and the US are practicing genocide to maintain a political majority?

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by surasak

And that's precisely why non-Jews cannot by definition be allowed to compete fairly in Israel and the reason behind the draconian apartheid laws.

To be a member of the Knesset and subsequently the PM (since the PM must be a member of the Knesset) all members must support the Jewish nature of Israel. Therefore how could a non-Jew ever be PM (even if non-Jews end up comprising 90% of the overall population as they will in the next few decades since the Jewish immigration is all but done now). Affluent societies don't reproduce as much as poor ones, so, the numbers will soon be overwhelmingly non-Jewish in Israel.

This means in order for the Israeli government (and the U.S.) to keep Israel a Jewish state more atrocities will have to be committed.

i'm not sure i'm reading this correctly....is it your opinion that israel and the US are practicing genocide to maintain a political majority?

You are aware that Israel lacks a Constitution? That in order for any person to run for office he or she must support the Jewish nature of Israel? That in a parliamentary system the Prime Minister must be a member of the legislature?

If Israel were a real democracy (as so many claim it is) and allowed for universal suffrage for all people born in Israel then Israel would cease to be a Jewish state. The whole basis of the state of Israel from the government to the national anthem is to exclude non-Jews to whatever extent possible. Anyone who is Jewish will always have more rights than anyone who is non-Jewish whether the person be Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, or athiest.

Naturally, one must resort to extreme measures in order to keep power and so it shouldn't be beyond the realm of understanding that what takes place in the 'disputed territories' is a grand scheme to keep a people under the iron thumb to prevent them from exercising political power (power which would threaten the very nature of the Jewish state by virtue of more of 'them' than there are Jews).

Originally Posted by Milkman

I wouldn't be surprised if there was a surgical strike, even with limited nukes...

Nor me - there could easily be a "nuclear accident" at the enrichment plant(s).

the events of the last few weeks remind me of that oft used definition for 'insanity'. now more than ever, it is time for a reexamination of the state of israel.

Originally Posted by man with no head

If Israel were a real democracy (as so many claim it is) and allowed for universal suffrage for all people born in Israel

There are Muslim members of parlaiment, and Muslim Israelis can vote. It is also one of the few places in the Middle East where Muslim women can vote.

Being born in a country does NOT give you the right to vote almost everywhere . . . check the USA, Australia, Germany, France, the UK, Thailand, Malaysia, Japan, etc . . .

Originally Posted by man with no head

Anyone who is Jewish will always have more rights than anyone who is non-Jewish whether the person be Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, or athiest.

As is the case in many countries - doesn't make it right but also does not single out Israel.

Here is an IDF release.

well, I think that even the "moderate" allies of Israel have finally realized that they have been defending a big turd all along and they will rethink their "support" with them. It's like supporting Germany in 1944, it doesn't make any sense, not even with a Nuremberg defense, "we didn't know"

it could be argued that the formation of the state of israel was the greatest international policy blunder of the modern age....and what's worse is that no govt. with the power to enact a remedy is willing to speak up about it.

should they have taken Uganda?

Originally Posted by raycarey

it could be argued that the formation of the state of israel was the greatest international policy blunder of the modern age....and what's worse is that no govt. with the power to enact a remedy is willing to speak up about it.

Israel will self-destruct eventually, maybe another 50 years and it will no longer be there. Those fucks have destroyed not once, but twice, their own kingdom in the past because of religious extremists, third time will be a charm and the end of it. For fuck sake, why should a religion monopolize an entire country ? do we see a "Christian" land ? should we create one because Christians were mass murdered by the Romans back in the days ?

The state of Israel is an abomination, a bribe from the world for being so "complacent" with the Nazi extermination. It's punishment for our "wait and see" attitude during the war. Like for Germany, 50 years of guilty is enough punishment, time to move on.

Originally Posted by Norton

Israel's 'Islamic' neighbors will have to take the same approach if there is ever to be a semblance of stability in the region.

IMO there will never be peace until israel leaves (or is evicted) from the neighborhood.

Originally Posted by raycarey

IMO there will never be peace until israel leaves (or is evicted) from the neighborhood.

Interesting opinion but far from practical or likely. On the other side of the argument, if the foes of Israel left or were were evicted there would be peace. Just as impractical or likely.

Israel exists, Lebanon exists, Syria exists, Egypt exists, and the Palestinians exist. Any leaving or being evicted is not going to happen.

they are not going to be evicted for sure, unless all the arabs state unite and kick the shit out of them and take their land, maybe a possible outcome in 50 years

the most possible outcome is a civil war within Israel as society becomes more polarized with the extremists, paving the way for a complete destruction of the state and the separation of the country into 2 zones