Its nice to see we agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by mao say dung
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Its nice to see we agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by mao say dung
You know exactly that this is the only forum far and wide were you can express anti-Israel, even anti-semitic views. You know that there is a huge hype in the media every time Hamas shoots a piece of pipe from Gaza to Israel which seldom does any damage, while the atrocities by the Jews against the Palestinians committed on a daily basis are suppressed completely. Seems the Jews must have quite some influence in America and Europe to slant information in such a way. You simply can't escape Islamophobia for a second, it's always present. And you can't escape the word anti-semitism for a minute, as if the chosen people were entitled to a positive view no matter what they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyBKKQuote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
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More tin hat paranoid delusions that as usual have no basis in fact...
^Guess you don't get out and about much forum-wise.
I have yet to find a forum where you can question the Palestinian = VICTIM = Good and therefore Israeli = OPPRESSOR = Evil because DA JOOZ!!! DEY RUN DA VOILD!!! stock formula without being accused of eating babies for snacks, never mind lunch.
I eat dogs for lunch. And bugs for snacks.Quote:
Originally Posted by mao say dung
Never tried babies... are they any good?
Bit of overkill, don't you think.Quote:
Originally Posted by mao say dung
I don't agree with any posts that are anti semitic or that blame Jews as a group. Jews live all over the globe and have nothing to do with the brutal apartheid of Israel. Perhaps if defenders of Israel had a better fall-back position than "this land is my land...God gave it to me", other people wouldn't inevetibly be drawn into the blaming Jews instead of the nation state of Israel.
Read back throughout these posts or on other threads and you'll find many good arguments against Israeli policies and practices Re: the ethnic cleansing of Palestenians that have nothing to do with Jews or the Jewish Faith, or with Palestinians being perfect. I, for one, have made many.
You never get Palestinian sympathizers in these discussions railing on about the expulsion of 300K Palestinians from Kuwait back in the day, people who in many cases had been living in Kuwait for 40 years. You have to wonder why.
At the same time that the Kuwaiti military were herding the hundreds of thousands of Palestinians out of the country (in a matter of weeks no less), a couple thousand were killed and/or tortured by Kuwaiti death squads, some of which were sponsored by Kuwaiti royals.
No ethnic cleansing there. No shock! Horror! How can they do this! from the usual suspects.
I really don't care if someone is anti-Semitic or not. The fact is that many pro-Palestinian posters around the web are people who fundamentally question the right of Israel to exist. It comes out whenever it's pointed out that Israel is an illegal colonial project foisted on the Arabs of Palestine. This land was their land.
Well, it wasn't. It was British. Or it was French. Or it was Turkish. According to international law because international law recognized it as such and did so because the Turks had the power to hold it until someone else wanted it and then international law recognized it as theirs.
If the Israelis can just hold on long enough that people who laugh at the suggestion that the Australians should get the fuck out of the Dreamland and give the land back to the Aborigines start to laugh at the same sort of suggestion re: Jerusalem, they'll have international law on their side.
I don't think they are as many as you think- it's just that, like their soulmates on the rw zionist side, they make a lot of noise. I really don't think a nuclear armed nation with a modern air force over twice the size of the UK feels threatened by such empty rhetoric.Quote:
Originally Posted by mao say dung
Loonytunes stuff is hardly worth bothering with- and there is certainly enough of it about. Nobody is going to destroy Israel (scoff), and neither the Israeli's or Palestinians are going to move out- so why waste time on this nonsense? At the end of the day, the issue boils down to whether Israel prefers to integrate Palestine and the Palestinians as part of the nation of Israel, or to withdraw from the occupied state of Palestine. There are no other alternatives on the table, unless you're a god botherer waiting for Armageddon.
Yo Pseudo-nut,Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyBKKI also feel that the Israeli lobby wields am inordinate amount of influence over US politics, but at the same time we must recognize that Israel is an integral part of America's foreign policy strategy in the Middle East.Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
Now, whether or not our foreign policy for the Middle East is effective and serving American interests is of course up for debate.
As for the rest of your post, I was with you... right up until that last delusional statement...
You really are a conspiracy nut aren't you?
Sorry, but you lose all credibility when you cling to such far out fantasies- Aliens are real, we created the AIDS virus, Israel killed JFK, Global Warming is a hoax, etc.
Still waiting for you to provide a shred of evidence to support any of your paranoid conspiracy theories...
What's that? You have none?
That's what I thought. :smileylaughing:
There is no logical reason for it to be though. Feel free to try and show the value this partnership adds. I've asked you that before but you refuse to answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyBKK
no it is not up for debate. If anyone dares to try and initiate a debate in the matter, they are labeled...Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyBKK
because that is what the ADL is. It is a group, established in 1913 the year the the US was sold down the river in a back room deal, who find anyone opposing zionism and later Israel and labels them antisemitic. News for you rainfall man - I am not. And I am not a self hater either, the other phrase the ADL and Israel lob by invented to try and shut down opposition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rainfall
but alas not. You dare to dream that this is not the case, and in your PC controlled box of a mind you are not allowed to consider anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyBKK
However, as you think the US is not controlled by Israel, please show a time when the US has done something in the last 20 years that goes against the wishes of Israel Something with real bite. for example, when the UK was fighting Argentina over the falklands, the US refused to support the effort or allow any parts of the UK navy or airforce access to their facilities. This was sensible for the US in many ways but a complete betrayal of the "special relationship" that is spouted so much.
Find one example. Put up,,,, or shut up trollbkk.
what?Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
you don't really believe that, do you?
^ No conspiracy is too "far out" for a conspiracy nut like Pseudo...
After all, this is the wingnut who believe eugenicists created the AIDS virus, Climate Change is a hoax, Israel killed JFK and aliens are real, etc etc. https://teakdoor.com/images/imported/2013/05/3032.jpg
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Originally Posted by raycarey
Let me google that for you
Sure - Israel has definitely not been pushing its boundaries consistently over the last few decades. They definitely have not been launching attacks on its neighbors. There is definitely no such thing as the plan for greater Israel, the land mass that takes up a most of the countries that the US has attacked recently. Sure there is a very good reason why regime change is not deserved in Saudi until the oil drys up, at which point thy will be in there like a shot.
And - they definitely did not have the map of this idea that does not exist on their coins. No sirrree bob.
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Oh, hang on a minute.....
Oh, and tony...still waiting for you to show anything that the US has done int he last 20 years that is properly negative to Israel. Anything at all.
Pseudo the conspiracy nut, what are you on about now?Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
Israel and the US are close allies but that doesn't mean they agree on everything.
You need examples? Here are a couple-
Official: Israel, US disagree on Iran timetable
Source: Official: Israel, US disagree on Iran timetable
As Biden Visits, Israel Unveils Plan for New Settlements
"Mr. Biden condemned the move as “precisely the kind of step that undermines the trust we need right now.” "
Source:http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/10/wo...t/10biden.html
Good old Pesudo, never letting reality get in the way of his silly conspiracy theories.
ps. if you really want to debate the issues, why not substantiate some of your outrageous theories with some actual links? Otherwise we'll just continue to assume your posts are the product of a paranoid and delusional conspiracy nut. :chitown:
If the US were to stop supporting Israel militarily, its neighbours would see that as an opportunity to strike.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlukeI dont get the idea , can you explain in words .Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Israel won't go down without a fight. They have the weapons to render useless at least 10% of the worlds oil supply within an hour. Watch your economic recovery then.
They know it, and the Americans know it.
The Americans will continue to back Israel until Oil is no longer an essential commodity.
I would have thought that is obvious to be honest. Maybe I've been living here too long.
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Originally Posted by TonyBKKPseudo the conspiracy nut, what are you on about now?Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
Israel and the US are close allies but that doesn't mean they agree on everything.
You need examples? Here are a couple-
Official: Israel, US disagree on Iran timetable
Source: Official: Israel, US disagree on Iran timetable
As Biden Visits, Israel Unveils Plan for New Settlements
"Mr. Biden condemned the move as “precisely the kind of step that undermines the trust we need right now.” "
Source:http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/10/wo...t/10biden.html
Good old Pesudo, never letting reality get in the way of his silly conspiracy theories.
ps. if you really want to debate the issues, why not substantiate some of your outrageous theories with some actual links? Otherwise we'll just continue to assume your posts are the product of a paranoid and delusional conspiracy nut. :chitown:
:smileylaughing::smileylaughing::smileylaughing::s mileylaughing:
Wow. they disagree on a time table. Hmmm. But still the US are going to strom Iran for their buddies Israel.
Biden Condemns Israels new settlements. So, they will react to this? the US will cancel next years multi billion dollar handout instead and use the cash to Float Detroit again and actually help Americans? Hmm decision time. Help Americans OR send money and bombs to Israel even though they themselves are a rogue state with a substantial economy already and not in financial shit at all.... what should the OWNERS of the USA do? lol You're far out man. What a trip lol
Try again, fool. I said "DO" something against the wishes of Israel. Do. that means an ACTION.
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Of course they don't, I'm sure the Americans often grumble at having to do what they're told.Quote:
Originally Posted by TonyBKK
:chitown:
Despite what the ADL and AIPAC like people to believe, the sycophantic nature of the US to Israel is actually fairly new. Going back to the cold war time, Israel was thought to be a little useful, however even then, the relationship caused more problems than is solved. The US supporting and supplying rogue State Israel who kept attacking it's neighbour relentlessly pushed said neighbours into the arms of the Soviet Union - they had to get weapons to defend themselves, and Israel would not let the US help them. For years and years Iran tried and still tries to peacefully engage with the US, and yet every time they have they have been shunned. the main reason being that Israel wants Iran gone....and the US needs to be radicalised against Iran for this to happen. Enter Kissinger and his 2013 is the year Iran will be Nuked statement.
Said before, Israel is the bar girl GF to Long distance sponsor the USA. There is tremendous parallel, assuming the bar girl is also a psychopathic murderer as well.
Going back to the Cold War, Israel was thought to be VERY useful if you believe some accounts. This is worth a read.Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news...rs-arab-spring
Indeed - Israel had open lines of communications to the Soviets all the way through the cold war, not least from the 1970s onwards when the SU were starting to think about coming in from the cold. But they also used stolen US millitary secrets and gave them to the USSR in exchange for a few Russian Jews being allowed to leave. With friends like that, who needs enemas?Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
Israel = lovely they are. Sending Carbon Monoxide to Gaza Hospitals labelled as Nitrous oxide.
Palestinians say Israelis poison medication used by Gazan patients - YouTube
That's not the 'northern third of Saudi' which would be an area larger than Texas, but Israel, Jordan and parts from Egypt and Syria. Israel is no match against the might of SA, they have three times the GDP, and military expenditures of Israel. Unless they deploy their nukes, and that's something no to put past the Jews.Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolusQuote:
Originally Posted by raycarey
Let me google that for you
Sure - Israel has definitely not been pushing its boundaries consistently over the last few decades. They definitely have not been launching attacks on its neighbors. There is definitely no such thing as the plan for greater Israel, the land mass that takes up a most of the countries that the US has attacked recently. Sure there is a very good reason why regime change is not deserved in Saudi until the oil drys up, at which point thy will be in there like a shot.
And - they definitely did not have the map of this idea that does not exist on their coins. No sirrree bob.
https://teakdoor.com/images/smilies1/You_Rock_Emoticon.gif
Oh, hang on a minute.....
Oh, and tony...still waiting for you to show anything that the US has done int he last 20 years that is properly negative to Israel. Anything at all.
Could be interesting if Russia delivers and Israel don't like it:
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JERUSALEM (Reuters) - An advanced anti-aircraft system destined for Syria has not left Russia yet, but Israel will know how to act if it does, Defence Minister Moshe Yaalon said on Tuesday.
Yaalon's remarks appeared to contradict Israel's air force chief, who said last week the shipment of S-300 missiles was "on its way" to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, who is battling a popular uprising that has turned into a civil war.
Israel is alarmed by the prospect of Russia supplying advanced weapon systems to Syria, saying such arms could end up in the hands of arch-foe Iran or the Lebanese Hezbollah group.
"I can say that the shipments are not on their way yet," Yaalon told reporters. "I hope they will not leave, and if, God forbid, they reach Syria, we will know what to do," he said, without disclosing how he came by the information.
Although Israel has not publicly taken sides in the Syrian conflict, Western and Israeli sources say it has launched air strikes inside Syria to destroy weapons it believed were destined for Hezbollah guerrillas allied to Assad.
Russia's foreign minister said on May 13 that Moscow had no new plans to sell the S-300 to Syria but left open the possibility of delivering such systems under an existing contract.
Israeli Strategic Affairs and Intelligence Minister Yuval Steinitz said the S-300 can reach deep into the Jewish state and threaten flights over its main commercial airport near Tel Aviv. He said he hoped Russia would cancel the deal.
"This is still unfortunately the plan, and we are very concerned," Steinitz told reporters in Jerusalem. "This is a kind of encouragement, a kind of support for a brutal regime which is totally wrong, also from a moral point of view."
(Additional reporting by Dan Williams; Writing by Maayan Lubell, Editing by Jeffrey Heller and Alistair Lyon)
Why are you trying to bring the Jewish people into this ? This has nothing to do with Jewish people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rainfall
Indeed - Israel hates it when the people they are attacking have some method of defending themselves. They are the biggest bunch of cowards the world has known.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
popular uprising my arse. US funded terrorists from another country, armed and planted in Syria to bring about regime change. Same as they did in Libya.Quote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
arafat brought up, it was "greater israel"...Quote:
Originally Posted by pseudolus
the background behind the menorah is an ancient coin, says israel...
10 agorot controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaQuote:
the Bank of Israel maintains that the 10 agorot design was selected for its historical value, and is a "Replica of a coin issued by Mattathias Antigonus (37 - 40 B.C.E.) with the seven-branched candelabrum".[6]