What makes terrorists?

**machangezi** · 19-10-2006, 07:07 PM

I have been thinking hard to find an answer to this question for a while now. I came up with some observations which I'd like to share and see if other posters agree.

After all, nobody gets out of bed one day and says, "I want to bomb a bus".

Just imagine if one day a foreign army invades your homeland and drives you and your family out of your home at gun point and tells you to leave with just the clothes on your back you and your parents and siblings are thrown out with nowhere to go. You wind up in a makeshift shelter on some barren hills and you have to scratch for your sustenance. Your mother alongwith siblings are crying. YOur father is frail and looks hopeless and your siblings are cold and scared everyday. Many other people in similar circumstances join you. They were all driven out of their homes by the foreign power. There's no water to drink, no sewers, no electricity, no schools and no doctors to help you or your parents / siblings. Imagine living in such conditions for years and growing up in squalor. Then think of how you would feel if you were not allowed to squalid camp without showing an identity card to the soldiers who surround your miserable tin-roof town. The humiliation would be over-whelming.

The only jobs you can find are working in lands that were seized from your parents years before. You labour in the fields and look at the shiny new houses on the land that had been in your family for generations. The people who live there were born in the West and have taken your land with no other excuse than, "God gave it to us". You're a second class citizen with no citizenship rights. Perhaps you join with some of your friends and decide to fight back to regain your land. The soldiers, however, are equipped with tanks and machine guns while all you have are stones or small arms. You lob rocks at the checkpoints in frustration while the soldiers gun down your friends mercilessly. If you get arrested, you are sent to a prison where you're legally tortured and held without trials for years.

Meanwhile, your baby sister has died of malnutrition, your uncle's land was recently seized, your cousin's house was bulldozed to the ground, the ramshackle schools are sealed shut, and chances for any kind of future looks grim. The soldiers laugh at you and you see on the side of suply boxes in the prision storeroom, the words "made in America". Your anger at the soldiers and their people is so great that you begin to transfer some of it to those who are supporting them.

The invaders bomb your whole neighbourhood, storm in your house and rape your 14 years old sister and then kill the whole family before tourching them. You have no one to go to, you're miserable and have no hope for justice. You don't have any army to fight the invaders, you don't have any hope of organised resistance. Then you think about how to exact retribution, and individual acts of violence such as bombings come to mind. Thus, a terrorist is born.

**Thetyim** · 19-10-2006, 07:16 PM

If I were in the postion you describe then I would support the murder, torture, burning of any man, woman or child that would enable me to get back what rightfully belongs to me.

**machangezi** · 19-10-2006, 07:18 PM

Honestly speaking Thetyim, there're loads of people out there in similar or worst situation. Have a look around, Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan etc.

**keeshouAhDoGe** · 19-10-2006, 07:21 PM

Great piece Macha. I think many people lack the empathy to see past the term terrorist.

**Little Chuchok** · 19-10-2006, 07:23 PM

can see your point,but I hope that I would never,ever fcuking ever kill innocent women and children.two wrongs don't make a right.

**Mhz** · 19-10-2006, 07:24 PM

^ and that would be in an ideal world, unfortunately there aint nothing like an ideal world.

**Thetyim** · 19-10-2006, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by Macha

Have a look around, Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan etc.

They are not doing it right.

Off hand the best example I can think of is how the Vietnamese managed it.
Sheer determination, national pride and will power against a much better equipped army and no stupid religous crap.
They have my respect.

**keeshouAhDoGe** · 19-10-2006, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

can see your point,but I hope that I would never,ever fcuking ever kill innocent women and children.two wrongs don't make a right.

Thats the point though isn't it? What makes for wrong or right in a world where ambition and desire are shut down?

**ceburat** · 19-10-2006, 07:35 PM

I would be looking to kill the ones responsible but I would not be looking to kill innocent men, women, or children just because they were from the country doing the wrong. Kill their funken leaders and military. Leave the innocents alone.

**Thetyim** · 19-10-2006, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

but I hope that I would never,ever fcuking ever kill innocent women and children.

And I hope that I would never kill anyone but we all have our breaking point and at some level I would be prepared to kill if it was the only way to protect my children and get what is rightfully mine.

**Mhz** · 19-10-2006, 07:36 PM

Yes they have to settle their own differences first and then fight the enemies united. The thing that makes them weak is their own religious shit that they cant take care of. Shia says Sunnis are wrong, Sunnis say Shias are wrong and on top of that the fokwit Wahabis say all are wrong. How can they prosper and make a diiference if they cant sort out their own differences?

These differences give the fokwits and uneducated mullahs a good deal of a chance to stirr shit up and use them as pawns to get their own interests in the name of religion.

**Mhz** · 19-10-2006, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by ceburat

I would be looking to kill the ones responsible but I would not be looking to kill innocent men, women, or children just because they were from the country doing the wrong. Kill their funken leaders and military. Leave the innocents alone.

IMHO it is not like what you said Ceburat. When you see your 14 years old sister raped and barbecued without any reason, all the goody goodiness and humanity goes right out of the window.

**Sir Burr** · 19-10-2006, 07:45 PM

Religious fundamentalists seem to hold the after-life they believe in, as more important than the present life they have now.
Also, if a religious fundamentalist is willing to sacrifice his own life for his cause, sure as shit, he's willing to sacrifice yours.

**Sir Burr** · 19-10-2006, 07:49 PM

^^^
The evidence is against you ie the teenage suicide bomber stopped by Israel, was he 13?

**Little Chuchok** · 19-10-2006, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by Mhz

Originally Posted by ceburat

I would be looking to kill the ones responsible but I would not be looking to kill innocent men, women, or children just because they were from the country doing the wrong. Kill their funken leaders and military. Leave the innocents alone.

IMHO it is not like what you said Ceburat. When you see your 14 years old sister raped and barbecued without any reason, all the goody goodiness and humanity goes right out of the window.

By who?Members of the public?gay rights for the elderly?

**machangezi** · 19-10-2006, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

Originally Posted by Mhz

Originally Posted by ceburat

I would be looking to kill the ones responsible but I would not be looking to kill innocent men, women, or children just because they were from the country doing the wrong. Kill their funken leaders and military. Leave the innocents alone.

IMHO it is not like what you said Ceburat. When you see your 14 years old sister raped and barbecued without any reason, all the goody goodiness and humanity goes right out of the window.

By who?Members of the public?gay rights for the elderly?

Come on LC. The foreign troops.

**machangezi** · 19-10-2006, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by ceburat

I would be looking to kill the ones responsible but I would not be looking to kill innocent men, women, or children just because they were from the country doing the wrong. Kill their funken leaders and military. Leave the innocents alone.

I much doubt it. Anyone who's been through all those miseries I mentioned in the OP perceives that real terror was done against him and his people first. He's merely striking back in revenge.

**KID** · 19-10-2006, 08:10 PM

I wonder if that's how mosses and his followers felt macha??? I guess they came back and took BACK what was rightfully theirs???? not saying I agree or disagree with it but thats THEIR way of thinking !!!

**Little Chuchok** · 19-10-2006, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by Macha

Originally Posted by Little Chuchok

Originally Posted by Mhz

Originally Posted by ceburat

I would be looking to kill the ones responsible but I would not be looking to kill innocent men, women, or children just because they were from the country doing the wrong. Kill their funken leaders and military. Leave the innocents alone.

IMHO it is not like what you said Ceburat. When you see your 14 years old sister raped and barbecued without any reason, all the goody goodiness and humanity goes right out of the window.

By who?Members of the public?gay rights for the elderly?

Come on LC. The foreign troops.

Well seek your revenge on them...Simple really.

**machangezi** · 19-10-2006, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

^^^
The evidence is against you ie the teenage suicide bomber stopped by Israel, was he 13?

I think he was referring to an incident in Mahmodia, Iraq, where the American troops savagely raped a 14 years old girl and then killed her before tourching her body to hide the evidence.

I'm a non practicing Muslim and live my life according to my own rules. I don't much follow the Quran or Sunnah. I'm even against parts of Sharia law, four marriages etc but if I were the brother of that girl, I would do everything to harm the American forces and their families cos my sister, member of a family, has been brutually raped and burned by them.

**machangezi** · 19-10-2006, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by KID

I wonder if that's how mosses and his followers felt macha??? I guess they came back and took BACK what was rightfully theirs???? not saying I agree or disagree with it but thats THEIR way of thinking !!!

Moses was a Prohpet (PBUH). I can't speak for him. Sorry.

**ceburat** · 19-10-2006, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by Mhz

Originally Posted by ceburat

I would be looking to kill the ones responsible but I would not be looking to kill innocent men, women, or children just because they were from the country doing the wrong. Kill their funken leaders and military. Leave the innocents alone.

IMHO it is not like what you said Ceburat. When you see your 14 years old sister raped and barbecued without any reason, all the goody goodiness and humanity goes right out of the window.

I can understand the rage because of what happened, however, the guilty party is one to pay for the crime, not the world of innocents.

**ceburat** · 19-10-2006, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

Religious fundamentalists seem to hold the after-life they believe in, as more important than the present life they have now.
Also, if a religious fundamentalist is willing to sacrifice his own life for his cause, sure as shit, he's willing to sacrifice yours.

Killing in the name of religion is not religion. It's called murder in the real world.

**Little Chuchok** · 19-10-2006, 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by Macha

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

^^^
The evidence is against you ie the teenage suicide bomber stopped by Israel, was he 13?

I think he was referring to an incident in Mahmodia, Iraq, where the American troops savagely raped a 14 years old girl and then killed her before tourching her body to hide the evidence.

I'm a non practicing Muslim and live my life according to my own rules. I don't much follow the Quran or Sunnah. I'm even against parts of Sharia law, four marriages etc but if I were the brother of that girl, I would do everything to harm the American forces and their families cos my sister, member of a family, has been brutually raped and burned by them.

I can't say that I would hurt their families.What have they done.They are innocent.I would however,hurt the people and armed forces that were responsible for this crime.

**ceburat** · 19-10-2006, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by Macha

Originally Posted by Sir Burr

^^^
The evidence is against you ie the teenage suicide bomber stopped by Israel, was he 13?

I think he was referring to an incident in Mahmodia, Iraq, where the American troops savagely raped a 14 years old girl and then killed her before tourching her body to hide the evidence.

I'm a non practicing Muslim and live my life according to my own rules. I don't much follow the Quran or Sunnah. I'm even against parts of Sharia law, four marriages etc but if I were the brother of that girl, I would do everything to harm the American forces and their families cos my sister, member of a family, has been brutually raped and burned by them.

I agree that the men who commited this crime should die. But no one else.

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